Originally Posted by wylted on 8/20/2026 at 11:29 PM (post #836)
So Thoth confirmed to you that Mikal did receive or should have received results? Am I reading that right?
I said if Mikal is owed results you need to give it to him. Then he confirmed he gave him the results and apologized to me.
OK, thanks for clarifying.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 11:27 PM (post #830)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:25 PM (post #825)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #814)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #783)
VTL: Mag1cman
Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.
Why are you lying? I just asked thoth the same thing he said:
"They would be told they were roleblocked and they wouldn't jailkeep their target
If the person roleblocking them was the same person they jailed, both would be RB'd"
Anyone can and should verify this right now with the mod. I got permission to copy paste that.
Yep, I got the same feedback. I don't think that runs contrary to what Kohai said. The full story is straightforward:
Assuming Mag1c is the JK and he'd been RB'd, he would have received a message saying that he'd been RB'd. That's what Kohai said. What Kohai isn't understanding is that it's not a slip to point out that he didn't receive the message.
How is it not a slip? If he didn't get a "your action failed" message, then:
1. Wylted was actually blocked and is lying
2. Got redirected to someone else
Yes, #1 is precisely his point. Where's the scum slip in that argument?
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #814)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #783)
VTL: Mag1cman
Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.
Why are you lying? I just asked thoth the same thing he said:
"They would be told they were roleblocked and they wouldn't jailkeep their target
If the person roleblocking them was the same person they jailed, both would be RB'd"
Anyone can and should verify this right now with the mod. I got permission to copy paste that.
Yep, I got the same feedback. I don't think that runs contrary to what Kohai said. The full story is straightforward:
Assuming Mag1c is the JK and he'd been RB'd, he would have received a message saying that he'd been RB'd. That's what Kohai said. What Kohai isn't understanding is that it's not a slip to point out that he didn't receive the message.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 11:18 PM (post #811)
By poe I think this is done. Your confirmation of jailor just kinda ends it.
If magic is scum game is solved.
Its luna and rex as other scum and tp
At this point its either wykted and I
Or magic snd luna
Rex is almost 100 percent the tp.
On you guys at this point. But mod literally confirmrd wylteda results exactly when he asked for.then. so if you throw. Not sure what to say
...again, though, and I have to emphasize this: the mod confirmed a mistake, not this mistake. I was kind of assuming that Wylted was lock town when he claimed Link, but I'm realizing that was an error. You both could just be lying and Thoth could have confirmed that the game had a mistake in it anywhere at some point.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:14 PM (post #794)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:01 PM (post #775)
Luna, spell out your justification. You gave your full claim, but I can't find that.
"Justification for my role is that I give important information to link in defiance of my master, and won't be silent about the truth."
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/80/majoras-mask-mafia---second-day?page=18&comment_number=520
Sorry I missed that, thank you.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:09 PM (post #782)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:08 PM (post #781)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:02 PM (post #776)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #726)
Full claim time
I am Pamela and Jailkeeper. Justification is that after her father gets infected, Pamela locks her father in a closet and both of them in the house to protect him from the Gibdos.
I jailkept Wylted last night. I don't know if Mikal is in on it or the exact nature of the mod error, but there's some shit going on and I'm pretty sure Wylted is lock scum either way. He shouldn't have moved last night. Either his teammate sent Mikal a message, or Mikal is his teammate.
Yep, that's... a pretty big wrench to throw in the mix. What are the odds that scum got Link as a fake claim?
somewhat common that major characters are left out for scum to claim. Pie does it in a lot of his games. idr if i have or not.
It's weird to give one as a fake claim to scum, though. That's new to me.
At least you guys are making this very simple. It's either Luna/Mag1c or Mikal/Wylted, straight up.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #787)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:11 PM (post #785)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 11:10 PM (post #783)
VTL: Mag1cman
Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.
I didn't?
where was I roleblocked? I wasnt.
You said you targeted wylted. Wylted action went through so either the team is exactly Mikal / Wylted or Mag1c / Luna
Yes, that is his point about Mikal and Wylted basically being confirmed scum based on his night action. Where's the slip?
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:08 PM (post #779)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 11:07 PM (post #777)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:02 PM (post #776)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #726)
Full claim time
I am Pamela and Jailkeeper. Justification is that after her father gets infected, Pamela locks her father in a closet and both of them in the house to protect him from the Gibdos.
I jailkept Wylted last night. I don't know if Mikal is in on it or the exact nature of the mod error, but there's some shit going on and I'm pretty sure Wylted is lock scum either way. He shouldn't have moved last night. Either his teammate sent Mikal a message, or Mikal is his teammate.
This does check out flavor wise.
If you were roleblocked last night then that may be why wlyed moved.
i wasnt told i was roleblocked, so that's only possible if Thoth doesn't tell people which would be weird
*sigh* I really wanted to knock off for the night, but now I've been thinking of this too much.
I've confirmed several things with Thoth. If Mag1c is the JK, he would have been informed that he'd been RB'd if he had. The JK also would have been effective if his target had RB'd him, though that's less important, too many variables there.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:02 PM (post #776)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #726)
Full claim time
I am Pamela and Jailkeeper. Justification is that after her father gets infected, Pamela locks her father in a closet and both of them in the house to protect him from the Gibdos.
I jailkept Wylted last night. I don't know if Mikal is in on it or the exact nature of the mod error, but there's some shit going on and I'm pretty sure Wylted is lock scum either way. He shouldn't have moved last night. Either his teammate sent Mikal a message, or Mikal is his teammate.
Yep, that's... a pretty big wrench to throw in the mix. What are the odds that scum got Link as a fake claim?
I'll lay out some requests, then I'm done for the night. I have other thoughts, but I'm going to keep them to myself for now and wait for some answers. Since I literally have a giant, mod-confirmed green check over my head at this point, I might as well use it to some effect. I've got enough insight into Kohai that I don't have any questions for him.
Wylted, I'd like the justification on that Caroler. I believe Link is in this game and I have little reason to mistrust you, but I'm covering all the bases.
Rex, full claim with justification when you get on.
Mag1c, full claim with justification when you get on. You have something to reveal and at this point, it's pretty ridiculous to hold back. Having a green check from Luna doesn't give you much cover at this point.
Luna, spell out your justification. You gave your full claim, but I can't find that.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 10:38 PM (post #768)
I get the paranoia but occams razor. Im not lying lol and wykted validated it.
Luna and magic have to die and its unfortunate but I do think there is some bastard mod shit somewhere in this
But I canf look past those results
When I get confirmation from Wylted, I’ll revisit this.
I’d really love as much clarity as I can get here. The combined word of Wylted and Mikal saying that he should have/did receive a result leans in their favor, but I need to know that Wylted received that confirmation.
Originally Posted by wylted on 8/20/2026 at 10:32 PM (post #757)
Thoth admitted he messed up to me. He gave results to Mikal.. I know that much. Maybe he shouldn't have admitted it to me and clarified better than corrected the results privately with Mikal, but that's not what happened. He told me he was sending him the results, which means at the very least that Mikal didn't visit anyone.
I think it sucks for the scum team because I think the error plays better to us, but it's a done deal and lunatic has been rubbing me wrong all game and I can't put my finger on why and I feel like magic is town so.....
So Thoth confirmed to you that Mikal did receive or should have received results? Am I reading that right?
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 10:26 PM (post #744)
Order of operations.
Wylted said I should have got results
I said I didnt. Mod said someone visiting me would stop it
Wylted was told diff info, said mod lied to him and he needed to check
I get a message from mod. Saying my bad. I fucked up
Tells david something diff than he does me
I say ima make the mod confirm this mistake cus hes telling people diff shit
He confirms the mistake
That confirms wylted
Confirms I got results
You are green checked
And david got pm verification
Based on what I saw, this order of operations makes sense. The one quibble I have is with that final sentence:
Thoth confirmed a mistake. He didn’t say what the mistake was. Assuming Wylted’s telling the truth, which I do, the mistake was in the wording of his role. There would have to have been two mistakes - the wording of his role and your failed receipt of the Carol - that he’d be referring to for me to buy your story entirely. The post from Thoth could be referring to one or both.
I'm coming back to this in a bit. For now, I can't dismiss the possibility that Mikal is scum, nor can I dismiss Luna, Mag1c or Rex.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #734)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 10:17 PM (post #731)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 10:09 PM (post #722)
I got wykteds results.
Why in God's name would I say I didnt get results. Wykted press the mod. The mod send them to me and then I press him to confirm that mistake publicly as scum?
So... yeah, this is exactly what you'd do, dude.
If you were scum, you'd have acted last night. You wouldn't have gotten results. When Wylted pressed Thoth, you would pretend to have those results sent to you, make up a hastily written list of 3 players, and then if there had been any mistake at all in the game, you'd get Thoth to post about that mistake to make it look like it's in relation to the Carol, specifically, and whether you would have received it or not.
That being said, it's wylted's apparent conversation with him that's keeping me from posting a vote. A mistake was clearly made with how his role was phrased. Does that mean that you actually should have received a carol and, subsequently, did? I'm not sure. I know if you were town or scum, you still had incentive to get him to post about the mistake.
He literally said I fucked up results after wylted questioned him and then mod confirmed he made a mistake about the results lol
Where? Point me to the specific post where he confirmed you should have received results or that you did receive results. He said he made a mistake. Wylted got confirmation a mistake was made in the phrasing of his role. That's all I've seen.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 10:09 PM (post #722)
I got wykteds results.
Why in God's name would I say I didnt get results. Wykted press the mod. The mod send them to me and then I press him to confirm that mistake publicly as scum?
So... yeah, this is exactly what you'd do, dude.
If you were scum, you'd have acted last night. You wouldn't have gotten results. When Wylted pressed Thoth, you would pretend to have those results sent to you, make up a hastily written list of 3 players, and then if there had been any mistake at all in the game, you'd get Thoth to post about that mistake to make it look like it's in relation to the Carol, specifically, and whether you would have received it or not.
That being said, it's wylted's apparent conversation with him that's keeping me from posting a vote. A mistake was clearly made with how his role was phrased. Does that mean that you actually should have received a carol and, subsequently, did? I'm not sure. I know if you were town or scum, you still had incentive to get him to post about the mistake.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 10:08 PM (post #719)
Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/20/2026 at 8:04 PM (post #709)
Yes. It is true. I made a mod error last night. Like the board around the neck of a convicted criminal in Imperial China, I must trod down the boulevards of Clock Town with this shameful admission open for all to see.
Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/20/2026 at 8:00 PM (post #701)
whiteflame has survived and been confirmed as town!
So this whole time I was getting strong armed by banana and all she would have done is town confirmed me lol wtf
Guess I'm glad she took away everyone's paranoia about me, but I still think it was a waste.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 10:04 PM (post #711)
Im making him post in game he fucked up. Cus apparently hes telling people diff things. That was a direct summary if our convo
I'm not focused on that. You received a carol, right? You know I'm town despite being in that carol, right? Who do you think is scum?
So, what does that make the scum team for you at this point?
Well, enjoy the gigantic fucking green check guys.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:58 PM (post #691)
Ok. Hold it. Mikal may have scum slipped.
I asked Thoth what would happen if a caroler targeted someone and they didn't hear the carol. They would not be told anything at all and there would be no mention of a carol.
So what did Mikal claim he was told? I haven't had time to dig back.
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/20/2026 at 9:57 PM (post #687)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 7:56 PM (post #683)
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/20/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #679)
so im not a bomb per say. i die no matter who i target, but if i target town they are town confirmed publiclly but dont die. if i target scum, they die with me. im mikau, the self sacrificing player, died while retrieving lulus egg but lived long enough to teach link song of heals. i died b4 giving important information is the justification of my role
Well, it would be a waste for you to target me, but feel free to confirm me anytime if that's what the people want.
just want to get a consensus b4 i submit idc who we target now. i was sure it was luna b4 so i was gonna target him but less sure now
Pretty certain Luna's town, so I'm the better choice between the two of us at least.
I'd much prefer to get this info on someone else rather than just sacrificing Banana so you guys can learn what I already know, but fine, if you want to give me a massive green check at the cost of losing her, be my guest.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:55 PM (post #680)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:53 PM (post #678)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:44 PM (post #656)
Time to finally fess up. Are you third party?
I've literally confirmed my role. If you want to believe it's a scum role, have Banana kill me and waste the shot. Be my guest. And no, for the third time, I am not the TP.
OK. So either Mikal is lying or it's Luna / Mag1c.
Role confirmation =/= alignment information
I didn't say it was alignment confirmation, but you're talking about a role that places two other people in a chat together. Remind me: when's the last time you saw that role as scum?
Originally Posted by Banana on 8/20/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #679)
so im not a bomb per say. i die no matter who i target, but if i target town they are town confirmed publiclly but dont die. if i target scum, they die with me. im mikau, the self sacrificing player, died while retrieving lulus egg but lived long enough to teach link song of heals. i died b4 giving important information is the justification of my role
Well, it would be a waste for you to target me, but feel free to confirm me anytime if that's what the people want.
