Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/2/2026 at 8:36 PM (post #136)
We seem to be at a stall. Why don't we take a vote on who we would want Mikal to kill tonight if he did have a vig?
Seems pointless. He'll make the call regardless of what we vote, so all it does is give us a target that should probably just be the lynch anyway.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 7/2/2026 at 9:09 PM (post #138)
Prob one scum between pie luna wf
This game was not randomized. Its not possible
Wr gad to submit chracters and build them. Meaning he had to build mafia based on submissions. From a sheer balance level one of those 3 are prob scum
Was waiting to see more but david is not making mago mafia.
It's obviously your call who you're going to shoot, but I can't say I get the logic. At what point did Kohai say that this game wasn't randomized, or from where are you inferring that it wasn't? I don't get how not randomizing somehow improves balance, either.
I'll at least give Magoroth through today to post. If he hasn't, then his absence makes him a reasonable default lynch unless Kohai can find a replacement.
Originally Posted by wylted on 7/1/2026 at 8:26 PM (post #98)
Do Jews hate FDR? Such an odd person to immediately accuse as scum. Or is this a rxn test? Ah well.
That was Teddy and he was right
It's true for FDR: https://brandeiscenter.com/the-truth-about-fdr-and-the-jews/
Teddy had his own problems with Jews, so point taken. https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/06/theodore-roosevelt-jewish-contradiction-antisemitism/
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/1/2026 at 7:26 PM (post #94)
Unlimited vig shots would be wild. Sounds like bullshit. Well, maybe not. Sometimes I'm like "no way would a mod do that" and then at endgame "holy shit the mod really did that."
Like when Vader put three investigatives and no protectives in that one game and I mislynched at LYLO. Not that I'm still bitter. (I am.)
"What gives them the right to just defile me like this? What gives them the right!" Donut cried. "Oh my god! It's a disqualifying mark. It's a disqualifying mark, Carl! I'm damaged!"
Yeah... I wouldn't buy unlimited Vig shots without some kind of penalty or oddity to it. Wouldn't be a first for a game to be imbalanced, but putting that much power into one player seems unlikely unless there's an awful lot of fuckery and/or protection in play.
Originally Posted by Shining on 7/1/2026 at 7:04 PM (post #91)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/1/2026 at 9:40 AM (post #73)
Originally Posted by Shining on 6/30/2026 at 4:36 PM (post #5)
I picked FDR.
This guy is 100% scum lol
VTL Shining
Do Jews hate FDR? Such an odd person to immediately accuse as scum. Or is this a rxn test? Ah well.
FDR did have a storied history with antisemitism, it was really Eleanor Roosevelt who kept him in check in a lot of ways.
I dont see a point in not claiming.
Im squall from ff8. Fav character. Was between this and Dalinar from stormlight
Considering all the discussion we've had about it, I don't really get why you'd just go ahead and claim like this, but fine.
I can pick between two actions
I can vig, this is not 1x and is unlimited
Or I can defend myself and wound any tp and scum that visit me. They will die the following np
Alright, I'll say it: how does the second option square with Thoth's PGO claim? I get that this is specific to scum and TP (does this confirm the existence of a TP in the game?) and wounds instead of killing, but that's still a pseudo-CC on a killing role.
That's still a real risk, but the need to modpsych Kohai makes it one that I wouldn't worry about unless your character matches a specific role so well that you can't imagine them being anything else.
I mean, that's precisely where I think the problem could lie, so yes.
It's a calculated risk, and the calculations for this game are different than they are for most games on here. I won't deny that there could be legitimate criticism of it, but calling it "throwing caution to the wind", comes off as having a vested interest against it.
We're talking about a massclaim here in DP1 that you and three other players have already joined. Recognizing the risk and then just plunging ahead regardless seems decidedly incautious.
Plausible, yes, but they could just as well convince themselves of falsehood.
Not something I'd bank on, but sure.
After thinking about it for a while, I'll SOP-claim. My role is called Paranoid. If someone's action visits me, I have a 50:50 chance of (1) killing them and neutralizing their action or (2) redirecting their action to a randomly chosen player. Justification is that Chris Langan is a vocal supporter of guns and conspiracy theories. Check out his banner on XformerlyTwitter for an example.
Yep, that should have been an obvious SOP claim. So you're claiming a coin flip PGO/Nexus. The justification does fit with the character, I'll give you that, but this is really the kind of thing you should have posted first.
And if scum visits me...
Which is balanced by killing a scum being a biggee help than killing a townie hurts, plus I might be visited by only a scum if I am being townread. I should add that I am not convinced that straight PGO should always be SOP-claimed.
So, two things. First, this balance assumes that your PGO would only kill one person. If you're visited during the night by multiple players, wouldn't all of them theoretically be subject to your role, or just the first? My experience with PGOs in the past is that they can and would kill multiple visitors. Second, I don't really get the logic here. Why don't you think that a PGO should always be SOP-claimed? I get that there's value in the role if scum visits you and that you see that value as greater than the loss of town players who also visit you, but if the latter happened and you outed afterward or you had been pushed to claim PGO later, I can practically guarantee you would have been lynched for it.
Originally Posted by Thoth on 6/30/2026 at 9:19 PM (post #22)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 6/30/2026 at 7:37 PM (post #18)
Seems like a lot of people are getting onboard with claiming early, though I can't say I understand the reasoning here. Yes, characters are effectively randomized, but everyone would have submitted a set of 3 characters for Kohai to choose from. Scum will either have characters that don't obviously link to scummy roles or will just claim one of the other two characters they submitted. Just seems like it doesn't matter, but maybe that's your point. We have 5 claims out now, I'll likely give mine tonight, I just want to understand the thinking here.
Normally, the argument for mass-character claiming early is that it makes it harder for scum to fake-claim later, and the argument against it is that the more claims are public, the easier it is for scum to narrow down who is who, making it easier for them to guess who has which role or which characters are likely to be safe fake-claims. Since alignments are randomized, those arguments against it don't really apply, so all that claiming our characters will do is narrow the pool of roles that scum can concoct reasonable justifications for. That is, unless you think scum are going to be really, really good at modpsyching what roles Kohai gave to each character.
I honestly don't see that much value in the mass claim for town, and while scum can always claim from a very wide pool of characters (not like there's a limit to the range), I do worry about people giving away their role by claiming. And at best, locking scum into a character claim just limits the range of potential roles that can be applicable to their character. I understand throwing caution to the wind in a game like this and just letting people own their characters, I'm just not convinced it's doing anything for us. I'll be looking for some thoughts from those who haven't posted yet.
And speaking as someone who has done exactly that as scum before, yes, I do think it's plausible that scum could work out some roles from character claims.
Originally Posted by Thoth on 6/30/2026 at 4:18 PM (post #3)
Since alignments are randomized, I see no reason to lie about our characters. We might as well claim those immediately. I am Christopher Michael Langan.
Seems like a lot of people are getting onboard with claiming early, though I can't say I understand the reasoning here. Yes, characters are effectively randomized, but everyone would have submitted a set of 3 characters for Kohai to choose from. Scum will either have characters that don't obviously link to scummy roles or will just claim one of the other two characters they submitted. Just seems like it doesn't matter, but maybe that's your point. We have 5 claims out now, I'll likely give mine tonight, I just want to understand the thinking here.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 6/30/2026 at 7:58 PM (post #15)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 6/30/2026 at 4:12 PM (post #2)
*starts to read through the OP*
I've just never been great at following rules. Forgive me if I miss something in this mix.
Anyway, good to be back at it. I'm still at work, but I'll try to be active this evening.
Lol "read the rules". You just skim and then wait for Thoth to tell you what they are later in an "I'm amazed no one else read this" tone.
Hey, I didn't realize Carl could see into the future. Really gotta read that series...
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 6/30/2026 at 7:25 PM (post #8)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 6/30/2026 at 2:12 PM (post #2)
*starts to read through the OP*
I've just never been great at following rules. Forgive me if I miss something in this mix.
Anyway, good to be back at it. I'm still at work, but I'll try to be active this evening.
Too many rules, didnt read. Maybe ill get modkilled again
Yeah... let's not do that again. No more modkillable offenses (looks at Mikal)!
*starts to read through the OP*
I've just never been great at following rules. Forgive me if I miss something in this mix.
Anyway, good to be back at it. I'm still at work, but I'll try to be active this evening.
I’ll get in on this.
Going to sit this one out so that I can get through a backlog of votes I wanted to cast on debates and not be distracted during a family event next week. If you need a backup after that, though, I can offer to swap in.
Lunatic wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Out of curiosity, what was the phrase we used to get RB'd NP2, Mikal?
It was “abate” and it was only said because pie copied and pasted all of Mikal’s words back to you lol
Lol, figures.
Wryly wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Can we just acknowledge how silly it is that one of two Jews in the game got Christianity and converted the Jew character to the cult of Christianity? All hail the cult!
There's also that the only member of the LGBT community here rolled the LGBT community and refused to join the group that was all about inclusion. Silliness all around.
So on brand.
I thought the game was fun and the setup was great. A lot of things had to line up for my role to payoff the way it did. Using it first on a willing target was a big help (Pie), then getting recruited to Mikal's chat gave me an easy inroad to convince him to take it, and that opened up the opportunity to out myself and convince Helz to accept during NP4. Potentially being the target of more RBs, having my role stolen, or just failing one of those recruitment attempts would've probably sunk me.
Out of curiosity, what was the phrase we used to get RB'd NP2, Mikal?
Can we just acknowledge how silly it is that one of two Jews in the game got Christianity and converted the Jew character to the cult of Christianity? All hail the cult!
If you could just signal your willingness to join the cult of Christianity, then endgame becomes a given.
Wryly wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Do... do you not want to win with us? No reason you can't.
I don't want to win with you. I'd rather lose with Banana, wylted, and Kohai.
That's entirely your call and I respect it.
VTL: Wryly
RexFavilla wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
So yeah, I'll lay it all out.
I'm the TP. I wasn't lying about what my role did, save one caveat: I'm also the Cult Leader and everyone who accepts my offer is not only protected from the NK on that night, they're recruited to my cult. Currently, that includes everyone in the Mason chat, so Helz, Mikal and Pie. We determined that there's no reason to leave anyone else out of the fun at this point, hence the lack of a NK last night. As long as we VTNL and scum continue to waive the NK, I can recruit each of you over the following 3 nights. That means everyone's in the cult, and only two players have to be before we reach parity for the cultists to win. We win above all other factions, so it would be just the 7 of us taking home the W.
I literally had this crackpot theory in my head last DP, that's why I asked you if you were actually the Mason.
You were awfully close. Pie and Mikal especially were suspecting it, but they were in chat with me.
Do... do you not want to win with us? No reason you can't.
Tailor. Called that one right from the start.
We're talking about the same Mikal, right? I assumed this was obvious.
