whiteflame

MeowMix wrote:

Wryly wrote:

Fingers crossed he's town and can scavenge the abilities of the dead.

reparations motherfucker

Rex is scum

So you can take roles off the dead? Is that correct?

MeowMix wrote:

no you retards. When I said I wish banana was still alive.

And what should we take away from that? Better yet, what should I read into that?

MeowMix wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

Besides, whiteflame should know my role and I'm still alive so.

I don’t. Care to elaborate?

the banana comment I made

Which one? I see the one Wryly mentions and several responses to her.

MeowMix wrote:

Besides, whiteflame should know my role and I'm still alive so.

I don’t. Care to elaborate?

Helz wrote:

MeowMix wrote:

VTL: RexFavilla

Kill this and move on.

Unvote please for the time being.

Fully agree with Helz here. Unvote, let's discuss this.

Well... somehow we're still here.

At least we'll get them in chat, so I'll take whatever we can get.

Helz wrote:

Orrr, you could just self vote and I will unpack my stuff in whatever mason chat tonight.

Thats apparently what you decided.

I would have preferred to get your thoughts if possible, didn't realize he'd get hammered that quickly. Sorry to hear about your issues with this employee and the legion.

I’m not leaving off for the night, but I am taking a break to watch a movie. I’ll come back a little later

RexFavilla wrote:

To be completely honest the only thing that makes me consider town wylted is you two wanting to just turbolynch him at a juncture where a mislynch could be deadly.

We have very little time left in the game. Why not explore other options and contribute even if we lynch Wylted in the end? I see no occasion to throw a tantrum and sulk over people playing the game - unless you're scum lol.

Because right now, we have no scum flips to base anything off of and the discussion surrounding Wylted isn’t helping. Ultra being gone for the entire DP doesn’t help because we can’t interrogate that read at all. If you think there’s a case for someone else being scum, then sell it, but I’m seeing scant little reason to sus Mikal specifically here and he’s the only alternative wagon right now.

For the record, I think both Wylted and Ultra are scum, but the third spot is eluding me. As for the TP, assuming we have one, I could see that being Mikal. I can’t see him being teamed with Wylted, though.

MeowMix wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Also, retard boat? That’s a new one, but I’ll have to remember it.

we have fun where I come from.

I want to go to there.

Also, retard boat? That’s a new one, but I’ll have to remember it.

MeowMix wrote:

Like, I asked Whiteflame to lynch Wylted yesterday. He essentially said "meowmix you are a little retard boat. Goodbye" and now he's voting Wylted.

That isn’t what I said. I even did a pretty extensive ISO of Wylted before I made a call between Wylted and Ultra. Still pretty convinced both are scum, but in retrospect, I let absence/lack of responses win out over some more obvious behavioral tells.

MeowMix wrote:

whiteflame is easily the third most towny person here. he just never does ANYTHING about his opinions which causes me to wake up to no lynches and sends us to this day where I'm alone trying to solve

At this point, I just want this DP to be over. People are at the point where they’re just townreading or null reading Wylted for being ridiculous and while I get that - it’s the main reason I put him below Ultra last DP as my priority lynch - I can’t see a case for him now beyond “no way he’s this obvious,” which could summarize the entire post #468 from Wryly.

For context, yes, Wylted pulls big gambits that make him look scummy even when he’s town, but he’s gone way beyond anything normal for his town play. And in a game like this, where we’re at MYLO and scum are looking to secure a mislynch to end things, yeah, I can absolutely see him just throwing everything at the wall and hoping people like Wryly see it as town play, since his vanishing or playing lower key would be scumread immediately.

MeowMix wrote:

who the fuck is castin

Wryly = Castin

RexFavilla wrote:

I focused on living players. Apart from Mikal, Helz clarified his wincon, though we know he's town. So did Pie (he said "You win with town" but that was in response to a question about his PM). So did Wryly. So did Wylted. Yet this was your argument:

Pies statement is not LDable. Wylted's is of limited LDability due to the 'you'. Helz is confirmed town. Wryly's I did miss due to the way I ctrl-F'd, but behavioral she seems very town and Mikal seems very scummy. Wylted iirc also popped in on DP2 to say Banana was obviously LD. Do you see him doing this after he just killed her because he surmised that?

So now Mikal’s behaviorally scummy to boot. You didn’t mention that when I asked for your read on him and I haven’t seen anything from you supporting it. And Wylted could absolutely have been LD’d from that. Putting “you” in parentheses doesn’t negate the use of “I.”

At this point, yes, I absolutely believe Wylted would be obvious. That argument is pure WIFOM from both our sides, but yes, it’s part of the reason I initially had him below Ultra in terms of priority. Now it just looks like he was being obvious to make us second guess whether he’d do that.

wylted wrote:

Yeah whiteflame. We believe you need to ping him here and not in the scum chat. Wtf

Do you or anyone else here honestly believe I’d spend hours last DP digging into you behaviorally, setting you aside after pinging multiple points that I found scummy, and then going after my own scum partner instead and repeatedly pinging people to get on to hammer him? I like to believe I’m decent at bussing, but actively seeking a hammer on my partner while you were a readily available choice is just… wow.

The DP has been up for well over 24 hours and you haven't posted once. If we're going to take our time with a lynch, then your absence is only going to become more notable.

wylted wrote:

Not convinced you would have been lynched if you hadn’t done it.

Yes I would have been otherwise I wouldn't have made that gambit. Maybe it just delayed my lynch but it was without a doubt 15 minutes away. Why would scum not hammer me there at L2 with it definitely ending the game there?

Because you're scum and town is being overcautious and undecided. Glad I could make that easy for you.

Think about this. Not mislynching me there would require that town was not retarded and was capable of exiting a death spiral and Mikal already acknowledged that town was retarded. So yes I had to do what I could

Lol, alright man. Whatever you say.

And yes, mislynching ends the game. Mislynching does not include lynching either scum or the TP. Thanks for acknowledging that after claiming you were the TP.

wylted wrote:

TP is scum so we are at 5-4 if condition one is true.

Lynching town puts us at 4-4 and we are no longer a majority so the game ends.

Throwing out a TP claim like you did in an attempt to avoid getting lynched is just beyond me. If your goal was less attention or to get some of the heat off of you, it did the exact opposite.

I was actually 15 minutes away from being lynched so the fact I survived past 15 minutes means the tactic worked.. you literally still see me here and you also see where I was when I claimed.

Not convinced you would have been lynched if you hadn’t done it. Uncertainty was a thing before you claimed and the split vote between you and Ultra has been a large part of why the lynch failed last DP. As for whether it “worked,” that remains to be seen. DP’s still on.

wylted wrote:

Man, if you did all this as town, you did yourself no favors whatsoever. I don’t have to paint it, it’s so blatantly obvious.

I was less than 15 minutes from being lynched and my thinking is that it was mylo. Either way if town you should believe I am TP and prefer scum and if you are scum you should also think I am TP and prefer to lynch town so either way you not voting differently is dumb.

I've seen you give this response several times. I'll say my piece and leave things here.

Throwing out a TP claim like you did in an attempt to avoid getting lynched is just beyond me. If your goal was less attention or to get some of the heat off of you, it did the exact opposite.

And the reason why dovetails into my response to your second argument. If you are the TP, then there's a more than decent chance your hiding your wincon and I have no reason to trust what you're selling me. I'll also note that your MYLO situation is a little off. The split right now, if we believe #1 in the mechanic set to be true (and I believe we have good reason to do just that), is 5-3-1. So town must lynch either scum or the TP, setting it at 4-2-1 or 4-3 after what I presume will be a successful lynch and NK. So whether you're the TP or scum, town survives into next DP just fine.

wylted wrote:

Bro nobody is falling for this. I never asked for information I just picked on people for being Jews including Indians and the Irish.

You can try to paint it this way but it's just going to fuck you later if this isn't mylo.

Man, if you did all this as town, you did yourself no favors whatsoever. I don’t have to paint it, it’s so blatantly obvious.

wylted wrote:

Not to mention it’s NAI for REF. He would be against it as town and scum

Not in this situation where scum hunt jews

So you’re saying there was a benefit to trying to get the Jew to out themselves earlier, and that scum would have made an active effort to try to uncover said Jew…

Who do we know…

Who was trying to shout out…

A secret Jew…

MeowMix wrote:

Gotta go grab some beer, you guys need anything while I'm at the store?

Could use some snacks. Tortilla chips, preferably.

wylted wrote:

And that makes Rex "confirmed town"? How?

He would never do that as scum. If you display a behavior you would never in a million years do as scum it makes you not scum. Why is that hard to follow?

Because I have readily and actively pushed back on a massclaim as scum. I’ve seen several of the players in this game do the same. As scum. Why is this hard to believe, it’s a very easy way to get some towncred for a position that is widely held.

wylted wrote:

think his assumption is that anyone who didn’t support the massclaim is somehow confirmed town, which would mean… anyone except Mikal

No, not supporting is not the same as opposing. There is scum motivation not to stick your neck out but since scum benefit from a mass claim none will oppose it

And that makes Rex "confirmed town"? How?

MeowMix wrote:

wylted wrote:

Besides rex is confirmed town. He would passively support a mass claim if he was scum

Huh? Confirmed how?

I think his assumption is that anyone who didn’t support the massclaim is somehow confirmed town, which would mean… anyone except Mikal.

wylted wrote:

So, please explain your argument. Why does this specifically draw attention to Mikal and not to anyone else who responded with specifics about their wincon?

His argument is that Mikal did it before it was reasonable to conclude she was an LD. Not sure why this is hard to grasp. Giving up your wincon after it is reasonable to conclude that as opposed to prior is two different things

So your argument is that scum took a while to figure out that Banana was the LD? TMI.

Do you have an example of either of those players making a clear LD-able statement?

So I've had a chance to look. You're right, several people either addressed the post and never gave their wincon (you and Meow) or just never responded (Ultra and me). If we're functioning under the assumption that scum knew Banana was the LD, that stands out in its own way, but I take your point that scum would have had incentive to kill her only at least one member of the team had given a response that was LD-able.

I focused on living players. Apart from Mikal, Helz clarified his wincon, though we know he's town. So did Pie (he said "You win with town" but that was in response to a question about his PM). So did Wryly. So did Wylted. Yet this was your argument:

Mikal was one of the two players to write 'I win with the town' DP1 and banana ends up dead. I dont see scum killing her unless they realized she was LD after posting something she was likely to check given her status as a ripe moslynch target. The other person who did this is now town confirmed is now town confirmed.

So, please explain your argument. Why does this specifically draw attention to Mikal and not to anyone else who responded with specifics about their wincon?