whiteflame

#923

Hold the fucking phone. I am the real third party. I am Tael, and work with both skull kid and link, which is why I am third party. My role is the exact same as what I claimed, only thing I lied about is my win condition. I wanted to win with scum because third parties ALWAYS side with town, and I wanted to challenge myself. But if rex is going to claim he is the third party, then that shows they are completely unwilling to work with me for a win lol..

#932

Literally just to survive, and I share the win with whatever team is left. Really wanted to be the first third party in ages to actually scum side, but they are dumb as fuck. Whiteflame I am pretty sure is the only person I've ever seen scum side as third party in Russian Mafia, so I wanted to be the second.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 10:00 PM (post #1114)

Can someone copy paste Lunas claim

I thinj I just solved

Hold on, it’ll take me a sec.

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 9:58 PM (post #1113)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 9:57 PM (post #1110)

Has anyone ever heard of a Jester that wins with either faction? I haven’t. Why would an Unjester be any different? Reeks of “I came back after a long day and just threw out the first ridiculous thing that came to mind.”

Even worse an unkester - a person who only wins when they die during the night phase. That win con is so fucking retarded.

I can believe that Tingle would be here and would be a weird role. Unjester is particularly strange.

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 9:56 PM (post #1109)

The big fucking question mark is how I got the mag1c being town result

Yeah, that’s a substantial concern. You clearly received a result that didn’t make sense. Mag1c’s roles don’t explain it.

Has anyone ever heard of a Jester that wins with either faction? I haven’t. Why would an Unjester be any different? Reeks of “I came back after a long day and just threw out the first ridiculous thing that came to mind.”

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 9:50 PM (post #1101)

Can you copy paste rexs claim

#991

Mine is that I look like a retarded jester, so I'm the unjester, and will win if I die by any means other than a lynch and will lose if I'm lynched or if I'm alive at endgame.

#998

I mean I'm not Magic, I'm not going to post it literally word for word. But that is basically the justification. It also calls Tingle weird and mentions that he thinks he's a fairy, which is frankly uncalled for. There's a better word for weird: iconic. Says I count as town for parity but can win with either faction.

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 9:49 PM (post #1095)

what I really dislike

-Luna back tracking on being 1x

-The unjester claim is just sooooo fucking retarded

Not claiming he had a 1X role at least makes more sense to me than the unjester, but yeah, it’s not nothing.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 9:45 PM (post #1086)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/21/2026 at 7:43 PM (post #1081)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 9:35 PM (post #1068)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 7:34 PM (post #1064)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 9:32 PM (post #1062)

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 7:29 PM (post #1059)

Who did you target?

My shit was one shot

Why didn’t you claim that then

Golden Rule; If you have an x shot role you never say it’s x shot. 0 reason not to let scum stay afraid of you.

So to be clear, you’re the Survivor and this forwarding Cop, correct? Those are your roles, even if the former isn’t outright stated?

Yes. Neither one is formally stated, I just have a description of how my role works and my wincon

Alright, that’s interesting. If you weren’t claiming TP, I’d find that sus, but I could see Thoth just writing out how the TP works independently rather than assigning them specific named roles.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 9:44 PM (post #1085)

This is why I'm going back to luna now.

He'd have ti be a survivor with a messenger. Its easier to think he is a messenger and tailor and joat.

But jfc unjester is just such a stupid thing to claim

Whats most baffling about the unjester is that it doesn’t really make sense with what we were told in the OP. If it functions like a jester, then they win alone or they lose. They can’t win with town or scum.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 9:35 PM (post #1068)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 7:34 PM (post #1064)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/21/2026 at 9:32 PM (post #1062)

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/21/2026 at 7:29 PM (post #1059)

Who did you target?

My shit was one shot

Why didn’t you claim that then

Golden Rule; If you have an x shot role you never say it’s x shot. 0 reason not to let scum stay afraid of you.

So to be clear, you’re the Survivor and this forwarding Cop, correct? Those are your roles, even if the former isn’t outright stated?

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/21/2026 at 9:29 PM (post #1058)

To be fair, scum has a brilliant plan.

Mag1c sends me the message

Luna uses it to fake claim cop and claimed to send me the message

Luna’s role would be “confirmed” and magic would be viewed as conf town.

i have to give it to you. That plan was brilliant and it almost worked to. Too bad you got royally butt fucked with the carol

Worth checking on whether all this is possible based on that Drug Dealer role. I read it as Mag1c being able to modify the results you receive from your role, not give you an entirely different and separate result.

Well, this is going to be fun.

I got some absolutely awful sleep last night, so I won’t be staying up as late tonight. Needless to say, the decision is between our two claimed TPs, so that’s Rex and Luna. I haven’t caught up as thoroughly on the last DP as I should have yet, but that seems obvious.

Rex is on and I'm off. Better full claim dude.

Last thought: if Wylted is scum and had been JK'd, he would have been told he'd been RB'd. Little weird for him to then claim to have used a Caroler.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 11:46 PM (post #882)

Bro the mistake is after wykted messaged him lol

He literally said my bad I fucked up

"You received a carol. One of these three players is scum"

Like word for word carol. So unless wykted is a scum caroler or a messenger. Then hes town lol. But magic is saying he role blocked him and he didnf so I believe wykted

I'll revisit this in the morning, dude. I'm not going to be able to think this through right now.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:45 PM (post #877)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:42 PM (post #867)

I'm tired, we still haven't seen Rex, and I'm done arguing this tonight. The last thing I'll do is direct everyone's attention to what Mikal keeps calling out as an admission of fuck up (post #709):

Yes. It is true. I made a mod error last night. Like the board around the neck of a convicted criminal in Imperial China, I must trod down the boulevards of Clock Town with this shameful admission open for all to see.

An error. It doesn't say what error. It doesn't say who was affected by it. It doesn't say what corrective measures he took. I have no doubt that Wylted and Mikal are on the same page, which means they're either both scum, or neither of them are. I'd say it's likely the same thing for Mag1c and Luna, though it's less that they're paired and more that the result Kohai received from Luna indicates that Mag1c is town. That could be real. That could be a scum Messenger result. That could be the result of a GF role or something like it.

I'm nervous about Kohai here, but he's not my focus right now. Wylted and Mikal are more concerning to me atm, and I'm favoring lynching one of them over Mag1c and Luna. But we'll see where I'm at tomorrow. Please, don't hammer anyone overnight, at least not before we get a claim from Rex.

Well, the only way Mikal isn't Wylted's teammate is that Wylted claimed to send a carol when his teammate actually sent out a message. At which point I can roleblock Wylted whilte Mikal stil receives the message. That open the door to Kohai being scum. Now with Mikal's behavior I'm thinking it's just more likely him and Wylted, but even there Kohai could be our 3p.

Yeah, I think that's possible.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 11:44 PM (post #876)

I have his results

And you're the only one that knows that.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:42 PM (post #868)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:40 PM (post #862)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:36 PM (post #854)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:31 PM (post #841)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 11:27 PM (post #830)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:25 PM (post #825)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #814)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #783)

VTL: Mag1cman

Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.

Why are you lying? I just asked thoth the same thing he said:

"They would be told they were roleblocked and they wouldn't jailkeep their target

If the person roleblocking them was the same person they jailed, both would be RB'd"

Anyone can and should verify this right now with the mod. I got permission to copy paste that.

Yep, I got the same feedback. I don't think that runs contrary to what Kohai said. The full story is straightforward:

Assuming Mag1c is the JK and he'd been RB'd, he would have received a message saying that he'd been RB'd. That's what Kohai said. What Kohai isn't understanding is that it's not a slip to point out that he didn't receive the message.

How is it not a slip? If he didn't get a "your action failed" message, then:

1. Wylted was actually blocked and is lying

2. Got redirected to someone else

Yes, #1 is precisely his point. Where's the scum slip in that argument?

hold on. If Wylted has a teammate who sent Mikal a carol and wylted claimed caroler, it's possible to have both a jailkeep that roleblocks Wylted and for Mikal to recivee a carol, isn't it?

Wylted is still scum either way but worth nothing. Probably still Mikal but Kohai is acting so dumb I kinda wanna explore tinfoils, like Magoroth actually rage-quitting as scum.

VTL: wylted

A scum Caroler? That would be... interesting. I'd say the odds of that are exceedingly low, just doesn't seem very likely to me.

Role confirmation =/= Affiliation confirmation. But if that's too hard to wrap your brain around why can't he be a scum messenger? Thats the same argument people are using to dismiss my results lol

A scum Caroler would literally be giving town affiliation results through their role, or just giving them to their partner for... reasons I guess? There could definitely be a scum Messenger. I'm not dismissing that.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 11:42 PM (post #866)

Thats my point. Hes scum or wylted is a scum caroler

From magics pov scum has go be exactly wykted and I cus we are validating each other and invalidating his result.

...no? Why does Wylted necessarily have to be a Caroler? Because he claimed it and insists that's his role?

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:41 PM (post #865)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:39 PM (post #860)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #846)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:25 PM (post #825)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #814)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #783)

VTL: Mag1cman

Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.

Why are you lying? I just asked thoth the same thing he said:

"They would be told they were roleblocked and they wouldn't jailkeep their target

If the person roleblocking them was the same person they jailed, both would be RB'd"

Anyone can and should verify this right now with the mod. I got permission to copy paste that.

Yep, I got the same feedback. I don't think that runs contrary to what Kohai said. The full story is straightforward:

Assuming Mag1c is the JK and he'd been RB'd, he would have received a message saying that he'd been RB'd. That's what Kohai said. What Kohai isn't understanding is that it's not a slip to point out that he didn't receive the message.

I dont understand where the roleblocking thing even came from and got him to vote magic though. That seemed sus as fuck, pretending he caught onto a slip to jump on board with mikal there. Seemed a bit coordinated.

Yeah, there's something odd going on there. I've got to interrogate my thinking on Kohai a bit.

the whole case against me just asks that we all buy the modslip is exactly one that confirms Mikal and Wylted. We don't know that for sure.

Yeah, I just posted about that.

I'm tired, we still haven't seen Rex, and I'm done arguing this tonight. The last thing I'll do is direct everyone's attention to what Mikal keeps calling out as an admission of fuck up (post #709):

Yes. It is true. I made a mod error last night. Like the board around the neck of a convicted criminal in Imperial China, I must trod down the boulevards of Clock Town with this shameful admission open for all to see.

An error. It doesn't say what error. It doesn't say who was affected by it. It doesn't say what corrective measures he took. I have no doubt that Wylted and Mikal are on the same page, which means they're either both scum, or neither of them are. I'd say it's likely the same thing for Mag1c and Luna, though it's less that they're paired and more that the result Kohai received from Luna indicates that Mag1c is town. That could be real. That could be a scum Messenger result. That could be the result of a GF role or something like it.

I'm nervous about Kohai here, but he's not my focus right now. Wylted and Mikal are more concerning to me atm, and I'm favoring lynching one of them over Mag1c and Luna. But we'll see where I'm at tomorrow. Please, don't hammer anyone overnight, at least not before we get a claim from Rex.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:36 PM (post #854)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:31 PM (post #841)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 11:27 PM (post #830)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:25 PM (post #825)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #814)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #783)

VTL: Mag1cman

Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.

Why are you lying? I just asked thoth the same thing he said:

"They would be told they were roleblocked and they wouldn't jailkeep their target

If the person roleblocking them was the same person they jailed, both would be RB'd"

Anyone can and should verify this right now with the mod. I got permission to copy paste that.

Yep, I got the same feedback. I don't think that runs contrary to what Kohai said. The full story is straightforward:

Assuming Mag1c is the JK and he'd been RB'd, he would have received a message saying that he'd been RB'd. That's what Kohai said. What Kohai isn't understanding is that it's not a slip to point out that he didn't receive the message.

How is it not a slip? If he didn't get a "your action failed" message, then:

1. Wylted was actually blocked and is lying

2. Got redirected to someone else

Yes, #1 is precisely his point. Where's the scum slip in that argument?

hold on. If Wylted has a teammate who sent Mikal a carol and wylted claimed caroler, it's possible to have both a jailkeep that roleblocks Wylted and for Mikal to recivee a carol, isn't it?

Wylted is still scum either way but worth nothing. Probably still Mikal but Kohai is acting so dumb I kinda wanna explore tinfoils, like Magoroth actually rage-quitting as scum.

VTL: wylted

A scum Caroler? That would be... interesting. I'd say the odds of that are exceedingly low, just doesn't seem very likely to me.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #846)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:25 PM (post #825)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #814)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #783)

VTL: Mag1cman

Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.

Why are you lying? I just asked thoth the same thing he said:

"They would be told they were roleblocked and they wouldn't jailkeep their target

If the person roleblocking them was the same person they jailed, both would be RB'd"

Anyone can and should verify this right now with the mod. I got permission to copy paste that.

Yep, I got the same feedback. I don't think that runs contrary to what Kohai said. The full story is straightforward:

Assuming Mag1c is the JK and he'd been RB'd, he would have received a message saying that he'd been RB'd. That's what Kohai said. What Kohai isn't understanding is that it's not a slip to point out that he didn't receive the message.

I dont understand where the roleblocking thing even came from and got him to vote magic though. That seemed sus as fuck, pretending he caught onto a slip to jump on board with mikal there. Seemed a bit coordinated.

Yeah, there's something odd going on there. I've got to interrogate my thinking on Kohai a bit.

Originally Posted by wylted on 8/20/2026 at 11:29 PM (post #836)

So Thoth confirmed to you that Mikal did receive or should have received results? Am I reading that right?

I said if Mikal is owed results you need to give it to him. Then he confirmed he gave him the results and apologized to me.

OK, thanks for clarifying.

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 11:27 PM (post #830)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:25 PM (post #825)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #814)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #783)

VTL: Mag1cman

Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.

Why are you lying? I just asked thoth the same thing he said:

"They would be told they were roleblocked and they wouldn't jailkeep their target

If the person roleblocking them was the same person they jailed, both would be RB'd"

Anyone can and should verify this right now with the mod. I got permission to copy paste that.

Yep, I got the same feedback. I don't think that runs contrary to what Kohai said. The full story is straightforward:

Assuming Mag1c is the JK and he'd been RB'd, he would have received a message saying that he'd been RB'd. That's what Kohai said. What Kohai isn't understanding is that it's not a slip to point out that he didn't receive the message.

How is it not a slip? If he didn't get a "your action failed" message, then:

1. Wylted was actually blocked and is lying

2. Got redirected to someone else

Yes, #1 is precisely his point. Where's the scum slip in that argument?

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #814)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #783)

VTL: Mag1cman

Mag1c just slipped. I asked thoth what would happen if a jailkeeper got roleblocked. Thoth confirmed to me that they would be told their action failed.

Why are you lying? I just asked thoth the same thing he said:

"They would be told they were roleblocked and they wouldn't jailkeep their target

If the person roleblocking them was the same person they jailed, both would be RB'd"

Anyone can and should verify this right now with the mod. I got permission to copy paste that.

Yep, I got the same feedback. I don't think that runs contrary to what Kohai said. The full story is straightforward:

Assuming Mag1c is the JK and he'd been RB'd, he would have received a message saying that he'd been RB'd. That's what Kohai said. What Kohai isn't understanding is that it's not a slip to point out that he didn't receive the message.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 11:18 PM (post #811)

By poe I think this is done. Your confirmation of jailor just kinda ends it.

If magic is scum game is solved.

Its luna and rex as other scum and tp

At this point its either wykted and I

Or magic snd luna

Rex is almost 100 percent the tp.

On you guys at this point. But mod literally confirmrd wylteda results exactly when he asked for.then. so if you throw. Not sure what to say

...again, though, and I have to emphasize this: the mod confirmed a mistake, not this mistake. I was kind of assuming that Wylted was lock town when he claimed Link, but I'm realizing that was an error. You both could just be lying and Thoth could have confirmed that the game had a mistake in it anywhere at some point.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:14 PM (post #794)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:01 PM (post #775)

Luna, spell out your justification. You gave your full claim, but I can't find that.

"Justification for my role is that I give important information to link in defiance of my master, and won't be silent about the truth."

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/80/majoras-mask-mafia---second-day?page=18&comment_number=520

Sorry I missed that, thank you.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:09 PM (post #782)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 11:08 PM (post #781)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/20/2026 at 11:02 PM (post #776)

Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #726)

Full claim time

I am Pamela and Jailkeeper. Justification is that after her father gets infected, Pamela locks her father in a closet and both of them in the house to protect him from the Gibdos.

I jailkept Wylted last night. I don't know if Mikal is in on it or the exact nature of the mod error, but there's some shit going on and I'm pretty sure Wylted is lock scum either way. He shouldn't have moved last night. Either his teammate sent Mikal a message, or Mikal is his teammate.

Yep, that's... a pretty big wrench to throw in the mix. What are the odds that scum got Link as a fake claim?

somewhat common that major characters are left out for scum to claim. Pie does it in a lot of his games. idr if i have or not.

It's weird to give one as a fake claim to scum, though. That's new to me.

At least you guys are making this very simple. It's either Luna/Mag1c or Mikal/Wylted, straight up.