whiteflame

Very much doubt Rex's inventor, Lunatic's JOAT, and whiteflame's day phase rolecop are all in the game.

They're effectively all single opportunities with no guarantees. Rex's Inventor was a 1X Tracker he'd have to give out to a target he didn't know was even town. Luna's Watcher is likely 1X, so basically just the most straightforward 1-shot investigative. For mine, I wasn't even guaranteed to pick a role that was in the game or validate it if I did. They're all very limited investigative roles, and all could have been manipulated by that Chauffer.

Well that is unfortunate. This is an interesting role. I would say its a weak investigative but with rexs track, my watch, and your essential role cop, that makes a lot of investigations. I am open to it because mine and rexs were 1x, but its still worth noting..

It's an odd set of investigatives: one granted (Rex's) and two self-used (yours and mine), all of which are potential single confirmations. Would've made Kohai's Chauffer extra powerful since that would have been the sole information the Tracker or Watcher would receive.

Regardless POE is the same largely. I am down to let thoth prove his role tonight before pursuing him.

ATM I'd be down to lynch between you and wylted however in the POE. I buy wrylys body guard because no other protective roles have outed and we have a claimed vig. I buy mago and banana as well. What are your thoughts here?

It's a given that Wryly is town at this point. There's one scum left, so either you believe I'm scum and I just confirmed her as town, or you believe we're both town.

Letting Thoth confirm himself with his night action makes sense to me. My role is essentially spent at this point, so if he wants to shoot me, he can.

Your Luthen claim is just impossible for me to dismiss. It's similar to the Cassian claim from Wryly, just an auto-townread. I can't see a world where Savant leaves him out of the game setup, and though your being the JOAT stands as odd with a confirmed Inventor, I agree that that would make for a very strange fake claim at this point.

So POE is down to Banana, Mago, and Wylted. All of them have believable claims, but I'm getting shakier about them the more I think on them.

Banana has the most going for her, given that I don't think she'd just give up her role after using it if she was scum. I'm realizing that's a bit of WIFOM, though. It's role confirmation, and however she used it, I can see her doing so just to get a little more townread.

Mago I was mainly townreading for the Marva claim, which fits together really well. Especially given Kohai's claim didn't, I thought I'd be pretty solid in that this DP, too. I'm second-guessing it now, though. I could see someone looking up that info about the character and finding Marva's emotional post-mortem rallying cry as a basis for the Restless Spirit claim.

Wylted and his Martyr claim haven't quite sat well with me from the start. Even Thoth's reason for believing the claim has evaporated since we now know they're apparently active on opposite nights.

If I'm picking an order between them from most to least scummy, it's probably Wylted -> Banana -> Mago, but I could see flipping the latter two.

Can you post the list of roles?

I've been told in no uncertain terms that I will get modkilled if I do that.

If the martyr isnt real and he shoots him, we should win the game because wylted is scum and lying

Given he apparently wasn't entirely truthful about when his role activates, it could be the case that he's town and lying about his role, though I don't think he pulls Martyr out of thin air for that purpose. So point taken.

Alright, I'll go ahead and claim as well then:

Because of the trust Cassian vests in Bix, I'm the Confidant. I was given a list of roles, told that some of them were in the game, and told to pick one at the start of the game. Each DP, I can pick a different player and, if they are town-aligned and have that role, I get a positive result.

I'll cut out the uncertainty here: I chose the BG role. It seemed like it had a more than decent chance of being in this game as a relatively common role and it was one that couldn't verify itself.

I targeted Thoth DP1 and got a negative result. Since seeing her claim, I targeted Wryly this DP. I got a positive result. Didn't believe there was much chance Cassian was a fake claim, but this rules out that remote possibility.

Missed that, my bad.

Dead

Kohai- Exmar Kloris- Chauffeur- Mafia - Lynched DP1

Rex- Wilmon Paak- Inventor (1x commuter, 1x tracker, 1x bomb) - Town- Killed NP1

Alive

Magoroth- Marva Andor- Restless Spirit (Post 111, 117 DP1)

Wylted- Kino Loy- Odd Night Martyr (Post 137 DP1, corrected to odd night 173 DP2)

Lunatic- Luthen Rael (Post 221, DP1)

Banana- Mon Mothma - Petitioner (Post 132, DP1, Post 20, 27 DP2)

Wryly- Casian Andor - 2X Bodyguard (Post 79, 83 DP2)

Whiteflame- Bix Caleen (Post 98 DP2)

Thoth- Saw Gerrera - Even Night Vig (Post 118, 131 DP2)

Then it's just down to me and Luna. I'll leave it up to everyone else to decide an order, I'm good going first.

I’m going to be at services much of the evening tonight, so it’ll be a bit before I’m available again. I realize I haven’t claimed my role yet. I’m hesitant to do so still, but I recognize it will probably be necessary this DP, so it just depends on the order at this point. Both Luna and Wryly have more prominent characters in the show than mine, so I would understand going first.

Dead

Kohai- Exmar Kloris- Chauffeur- Mafia - Lynched DP1

Rex- Wilmon Paak- Inventor (1x commuter, 1x tracker, 1x bomb) - Town- Killed NP1

Alive

Magoroth- Marva Andor- Restless Spirit (Post 111, 117 DP1)

Wylted- Kino Loy- Odd Night Martyr (Post 137 DP1, corrected to odd night 173 DP2)

Lunatic- Luthen Rael (Post 221, DP1)

Banana- Mon Mothma - Petitioner (Post 132, DP1, Post 20, 27 DP2)

Wryly- Casian Andor (Post 79 DP2)

Whiteflame- Bix Caleen (Post 98 DP2)

Thoth- Saw Gerrera - Even Night Vig (Post 118, 131 DP2)

Alright, I think I’ve got the gist of it.

Not quite. I was talking about the math from my perspective before wylted claimed and Kohai was lynched, although I think that changes nothing. Also, if wylted isn’t the Martyr, then he is presumably scum and killing him would end the game instantly. Finally, it doesn’t matter who kills wylted or doesn’t kill him, since the math works out the same whether I get him or the Empire does.

Alright, I’ll just have to take your word for it since I still can’t wrap my head around your math. Another point in Wylted’s favor is his apparent willingness to die by lynch or modkill, just seems odd for scum.

If the Martyr is real and you shoot the Wylted, there is no NP3 after DP3. So we get an extra mislynch (2-1).

If the Martyr isn't real and you shoot the Wylted, there is an NP3 and the game could end DP3 after you shoot him.

This is what happens when I replace “Martyr” with “Wylted.” Shooting “the Wylted” is funny enough that I’ll go with it. There’s only one.

Without Martyr, we go into DP4 with 5 people if I don’t shoot, or 4 if we do. 5 people can go into final three if one scum has been lynched, but a mislynch always ends the game immediately with 4.

With Martyr, we can go into DP3 with 4 people and still have final three on DP4.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

I'm just confused by this, but I think this is what you're saying:

It's 6-1 now. By the end of NP2 (this is DP2), if we mislynch, you shoot and the NK is successful, it will be 3-1 (MYLO).

If the Martyr is real and you shoot the Wylted, there is no NP3 after DP3. So we get an extra mislynch (2-1).

If the Martyr isn't real and you shoot the Wylted, there is an NP3 and the game could end DP3 after you shoot him.

Correct me if I mismathed, but I believe friendly fire would cost us a day phase, so same difference.

It would cost us a night phase, so no, it's not the same.

According to yall a lot of these characters seem pretty major. I remember whiteflame saying something about Kino Loy being a weird link for martyr in dp1 however. What are your thoughts on his claim in comparison to others?

At this point, everyone is pretty major. Marva and Kino are major characters in season 1. Luthen, Mon, Bix, Cassian and Saw are all pretty major across both seasons. I still don't love the Martyr claim, but that's mainly because I've seen it used as a fake claim before. Claiming an even night role and having someone else say that they're also even night does give Wylted some credit, that's the main thing holding me back from just sussing him at this point.

1x Even Night Vigilante. That’s why I bought wylted’s claim. On odds, my kill would cost us a mislynch, assuming a kill every phase. wylted’s role is obviously in the game to stop that, and I suspected from the start that someone had a role meant to stop mine from changing the mislynch math, which is what I meant when I said that a specific soft-claim could help me, i.e., by verifying that suspicion.

I guess I get how the alignment of your two even night roles makes some sense, but isn't the idea that it would cost us an NP, not a mislynch? That would mean scum lose an NK.

I’m Saw Gerrera

Would've been surprised if he wasn't in this game. He's a pretty major player even in Rogue One.

The optimum way to play with these rules is speed run to LYLO and then slow way the fuck down

I get the desire to move quickly, but I don't get why you're pushing to go this fast and just lynch heedlessly at this point.

We have now crossed more than the half way point of the game and are still in the early phase of the game

...Huh? The game ends in 4+ days, dude. We're not halfway there.

excuse me but I did promise to crash out in Mag1c's place

Hey, if you are Cassian, frankly it's warranted.

y'all have scumread me based on nothing but your own wet farts

Mine are silent but deadly, thank you.

smell them. SMELL THEM. THAT'S RIGHT, YOUR OWN FARTS WERE ALL YOU WERE SMELLING

https://youtu.be/mxuwXczWQC0?si=lfvrs807kvjvTV9w

Busy morning, but I'm caught up. I'm Bix Caleen.

I echo the sentiment that it's great you joined us when you did. Blind lynching Luthen would've been a big town self-own.

I do think it's worth getting claims pretty generally at this point, though I'm good with you holding off on any role claim. Luthen's not scum, so I'd have to believe that either Skipper asked Savant about him and just never showed up here, or you made that call and rapidly asked upon joining the game. The latter is slightly more believable, but only just slightly.

Had good reason to townread Magoroth already, that isn't changing. The claim's just too good for Marva.

Based on his pressure for the lynch, I'm similarly behaviorally townreading Wylted, even if the Martyr claim rubs me the wrong way.

The decision to use it when and on whom she did still feels a little off to me (we'd already been dealing with a slow DP and there was no reason to townread Skipper at the time), but I don't think scum Banana comes out and says she used that role. So yeah, I'm slightly townreading her at this point.

Thoth and Wryly are the only ones left, and if I'm correct about who is in this game based on my knowledge from the show, I think one of their characters will slate them into town pretty quickly. Not sure which yet.

I watched Andor up until Luthen Rael's intro. In that ep, it seemed like he would become a major character. Am I correct in thinking that?

He's almost as central of a character to the series as Cassian Andor, so yes, I'd say he's a major character. Particularly fond of him, just an excellent morally gray character and one of my favorites in Star Wars generally.

Alright, finally home from work, long day.

Looking at the flips, I'm glad Kohai made himself so obvious. That Chauffer role would've been a pain to deal with.

That's frustrating that we lost REF, but if I'm reading that role correctly, he should have given out an invention during the last DP. If you did receive it, unless you got and used the Tracker, best to keep that to yourself for now since confirming you received it no longer helps him. And yes, I'm saying straight up that I did not receive anything.

Can’t see a world in which Luthen is scum, just too big a character. Scum would have to have lucked out heavily on their questions.

Full claim: I am the strengthener. I can target a player each night and make them immune to rolestopping actions. Justification is because I’m completely unshakable and willing to do anything necessary for the cause.

Yeah, I don’t buy this at all. Kleya’s covert, the idea that she’d just Strengthen people is just kind of weird and it’s a pretty transparent fake claim for scum. I’m good hammering this.

VTL Kohai

I could have sworn he was at L-1, but now that I have some room to put down a vote, I'll join the wagon.

VTL Skipper

I'm willing to wait to see if Savant can get someone, but not that long. Again, we shouldn't be taking up 2 full days of our time on a DP1, especially given the lack of viable information.

Someone cast a negative vote on Skipper!

That's... huh. Someone want to fess up to doing this or are we dealing with a scum mechanic? Because I'm not familiar with the concept of a "negative vote" and it seems particularly problematic if it's extending the DP for an absent player.

Have we even tagged you yet?

Help us out and post a claim, I don't want to lynch a townie

He's been tagged at least a couple of times, I know I did a couple of pages back. I'm hesitant to lynch blind too, but he's literally burning our daylight and I don't see a better choice. I'm going to be busy much of the afternoon, but if I'm tracking this correctly, he's already at L-1. If we don't hear from him soon, I'll hammer.

I don't think wylted is confirmed town like Thoth does, but the character and role are plausible and there aren't many people who have claimed; it makes sense to put aside the few who have and focus on those shifting their weight in the shadows.

Yes, the character and role do work together. While I don't see a reason to lynch him over it and I agree that the focus should be on people who are inactive, I'll note that scum do have the option to ask two questions each about characters and roles.

Why are you townreading Rex? For pointing out the timer? That could as easily be an attempt to farm towncred.

I think he had the opportunity to just let things ride for a while and run out the clock. Sure, he could just be farming towncred, but doing it when he did felt townie to me. He could have easily waited another 12-24 hours and gotten the towncred anyway.

i don’t feel the need to do full claims on day 1. It just gives scum TMI and helps them plan their night actions. I’d rather do a character claim or soft.

I'm fine with limiting the number of full claims we get this DP, but you should expect that you'll have to full claim next DP.

Also I do town read wylted even though I don’t buy the claim because 1) I doubt scum makes that up and 2) I don’t see scum full claiming like that unprompted.

Literally made up the same exact role claim before as scum. I'm less certain on the "why" of his full claiming in this moment, but I could see town and scum reasons to do it. It's NAI to me right now.

I don’t want to specify, but wylted’s claims fits with my role

I think I get what you're suggesting. I'll avoid prying further for now, though if I am understanding you correctly, I wouldn't view that as any kind of confirmation.

So my justification is that the riot I caused on Ferrix happened after my death, due to a speech I recorded whilst alive. For that I’m Restless Spirit

Alright, that makes total sense. You'd have to have some pretty good inside knowledge of the series to know about the recording and the effect it had after her death (very sad, but also one of the most powerful moments in the series). Solid town lean on you.