whiteflame

that said I’d rather not do a full role claim but I’ll at least claim my character. I’m Kleya Marki

She's pretty prominent in the second season. Any particular reason you're holding off on the role claim at this point?

Eliminating Mago and wylted from POE (I buy their claims for now) we can lynch within

Banana

Thoth

me

whiteflame

Rex

Skipper

Kohai

Who do we sus most here

I'm still unclear why Wylted's claim is getting so widely townread, but setting him and Mago aside for now, as well as Rex who I'm townreading, we're effectively down to 6 players, which is still a very large pool. Preference currently is to lynch someone in the Skipper, Kohai, Thoth pool, but that's mainly based on vibes from you and Banana.

I buy wylted’s claim

Any particular reason? You say later that he's "town-confirmed," but I've used this claim as scum before to justify surviving into the later DPs. Not saying I'm sussing him currently, but I can in no way confirm him.

We are supposed to rush through dp1 and spend the majority of the game in lylo and mylo to optimize the game play and give. Ourselves the best chance of success. What's going on guys?

I'm fine figuring this out as quickly as possible. We're well over halfway through our second day in this DP and we still haven't seen Skipper post at all. I hate lynching blind, but dead weight in this game is a big problem, especially since he may just not be around to submit night actions.

I am Kino Loy

I am the even night Martyr

If I die on an even night the night phase is skipped

Not sure why the "even night" aspect, but Kino does make sense as the Martyr given where his story ends (he doesn't die, but he can't escape the prison). I'm a little hesitant to buy it because I've used the Martyr as a fake claim before, but this is also not the first time I've seen it employed this way for town.

As of right now at least, I do give REF significant credit for noting those details in the OP. I think scum has every incentive to drag out the DP as much as possible with that knowledge, hence my concerns about those who haven't been active. I'd like to get his thoughts on who to lynch this DP to start. Regarding Mago, I'm just waiting on a little more of the justification. He did mention inciting a riot, which looks good to me, but I'll get into specifics after he responds.

After you die, do you count towards how many votes are needed to reach majority?

Usually not how it works, but best Mago checks on that.

Alright, that kinda changes things. My role… whose name I can’t remember at the moment, I’m a Townie that if I die, I gain the ability to vote ONCE post death. I will be using this ability at MyLo. If you do not know who to lynch, just lynch me.

I’m Marva Andor or something like that.

Could you elaborate on the justification for this? I know Marva's character pretty well and she gets one of the best scenes of the whole show IMO.

Also, I’m not lynching at random lol.

We might not have clear scumreads, but I do think we should lynch in POE as much as that's possible.

Anyway, we need more people chiming in on this DP regardless, but letting it go a full 48 hours at this point would be a mistake. Better to save time for future DPs if we can.

I know, but it could have caught scum who weren’t paying attention ;)

Would that it twere so simple.

Pursuing claims within a pool requires a POE, and the only data are:

Kohai and Mago's weird back-and-forth

Mago claims he has never heard of his character

Thoth says there is one type of soft that would help him figure out the best way to use his role

Yep, looking pretty scant. POE is always going to include players that just aren't active as well, so I get where Wylted's coming from with the Skipper vote. Lack of activity's going to be pretty damning for us if we let it drag out.

FWIW, I lightly townread Thoth for that, since I think he'd have to have a pretty convincing role claim to go with it. Might just be using that to draw attention elsewhere and not claim, but that's not my read right now.

I don't like lynching new players DP1

Skipper isn't new, he just hasn't played in a while.

unvote VTL skipper

Has Skipper even posted yet? Being absent in a game with such limited day time is a pretty big problem since we can't just wait around for his claim, even if I'm not the biggest fan of lynching in absentia.

We should soft whether our character is Rebellion or Empire

Literally the theme split laid out in the OP, so I don't think there's much value in that.

Maybe he feigned arrogance because he thinks we would wonder where that arrogance would come from? I doubt it, but Mafia is ultimately a game of WIFOM.

True enough, could just be a form of misdirection from him.

I am willing to vote KOhai for elimination now. I think joking about being scum is something scum would do as an arrogant thing and I know it happens a lot with town players but it's always hard for me to shake that feeling the entire game of arrogant scum.

Where would that arrogance even come from? He hasn't exactly had a great track record as scum so far. It didn't really read as arrogant, just aggressive.

So not much data to go off of here other than a kind of odd faux-scum back-and-forth between Mago and Kohai followed by Mago sussing Kohai for it followed by Kohai getting omgussy about it.

Yeah, I don't get this one much either. Kohai did seem to jump on his argument pretty hard, but the "open-wolfing" argument from Mago was a little weird. Wouldn't say it's odd for Mago to sus like that, though.

I think the scum team is wylted, banana

Together they are... Wylted Banana

Lol, that would be too damn funny.

Damn just read the rules - we gotta lynch quick,whole game ends in 7 days from the start without us killing all scum

Wow, that's an issue. So there is no limit on the length of the DPs, and effectively, night phases are decided before the DP even ends (or I guess in Twilight since he says these can be submitted after the lynch happens). Yeah, guess fluff time is over, time to get moving with this.

I'll clarify my concerns with mass claiming, since Wylted brought that up. I think the possibility of giving up specific characters like Cassian Andor and Luthen Rael are the biggest concerns, that's part of the reason I pushed back a bit on the male/female soft claiming since it could potentially reduce the pool of likely PRs to male characters.

Still, I think we're going to have to take a risk here one way or another. Either we pursue one or two players for claims and lynch in that pool, or we set up some mass claim system and hope for the best. I still think the latter is risky, particularly this early, and much as we're down to just under 6 days, we do still have time to make the most of the game we have left and I'd rather not give scum all the means to mess with town roles.

Also, who the hell chops a banana before eating it?

Can't say I have, but my mother used to slice them for my cereal.

Don't be mad but I think I only know baby Yoda. I have only ever watched episode 1 all the way through and it's because somebody took me to the theatre to watch it as a kid so I couldn't just leave the room.

You're dead to me.

But seriously, that's the only one you know? There are plenty of awesome creature designs in the original trilogy, not to mention some pretty solid modern picks. Well worth looking into. Still, Grogu's a cute choice.

Unvote

I barely know anything about Andor. Are there only a couple of important male or female characters?

I'd actually say they're roughly even, though I think the PRs are chiefly slated into one of those, which is the main problem. I could explain in more detail, but that would require getting into specific characters, and I'd like to avoid giving scum too many ideas to work with for claims.

Probably nobody should soft or even hint at their character to prevent scum from asking for a character claim.

We can character claim on D3. Since that is probably gonna be MyLo.

If you're talking about seeking a mass character claim, I agree, it would be a bad idea to do it early (either DP1 or DP2). I don't think softing should be off the table entirely for either, but I'm resistant to a mass soft this DP.

I have watched a bit of Andor, and it's among the titles that continue to prove my childhood self completely wrong: you can have cool Star Wars stories without Sith/Jedi/lightsaber stuff. I used to see non-Force users like Star Wars Muggles, and I was like, who wants a story with a Muggle protagonist. How naive I was. In fact, it seems like my favorite modern Star Wars stuff has had no Jedi in it: Rogue One, The Mandalorian, and now Andor. (Yes I know Luke and Ahsoka were briefly in Mandalorian, shut up)

Someone is inevitably going to ask what we should soft, which will spur an inevitable complaint about the softing meta, which will trigger the inevitable back-and-forth about the merits of softing, so who would like to start that dreary cycle. From what I remember, male/female softing would suffice, unless Savant has included Cassian's droid, B2.

I've watched the whole series for Andor, big fan of what they did with it, some of the best Star Wars content I've seen... ever.

As for softing, I'm a bit hesitant to do it this game. There is a pretty discrete set of likely characters in this game, and while that set is more than 7, it's not a lot more. I don't think B2's in here (though, spoiler alert I guess, B2 does come into the story by the end of the series) and I think the male/female split is probably the best way to go if we are softing, I'm just concerned about drawing attention to a couple of major characters.

My role card says if an uber-nerd guesses my char's name I lose my powers

Can't believe you just cost town my 1x Sycophant Cackle

Damn, my powers betray us once again! And the loss of that cackle will darken our days forever more, lost to the Sarlacc Pits of yore.

The Serious Players are gonna be mad we wasted page 1 with fluff, which gives me a certain thrill

Waaait a sec. No Pie... no Mag1c... no Lunatic... no Shining. Gasp. There is no one to check our fluff at all.

Damn, I guess that was my job. I'm supposed to be the anti-fluff police in their absence. Um... nah, I got nothing. Guess we can start by just encouraging more fluff and see where that takes us.

VTL wylted

What's your favorite Star Wars puppet?

Oh shit, did someone mention Salacious B. Crumb!? Sincerely have no idea why I know that name, but I dredged it out of the recesses of my memory.

Hey, so most of us are Ewoks, right? Don't know why Savant misspelled their home planet (real shame), but I'm happy to take down an AT-ST or two. I'll set the log traps.

Damn, nice to just enjoy a game again...

Hopefully whiteflame is Town this time.

You and me both.

Mods are just tired of inactive mafia chats, and they all know whiteflame actually communicates and plans lol

I do do that.

I feel bad every time I vote you. I'm like, there's no way this guy is scum AGAIN, right?

I'm always tempted to play that card, but I recognize that probabilities just don't apply to me.

Not even wrong at this point.