Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 6:06 PM (post #598)
Since we basically know rex's role its' time for you to claim. You stated you could be confirmed. I want your claim next
I won’t say why, I’ll let Mikal and Rex sort it out, but I can confirm that you do not know Rex’s role. I’ll leave it at that.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 1:12 PM (post #567)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 1:06 PM (post #566)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 12:50 PM (post #561)
If you can kill me just do it. It will confirm Luna’s results and I can get out of playing with these retards.
Can we not do this? It really doesn’t matter to me whether you’re scum or not, this kind of response just kills any enjoyment. Don’t be defeatist, just wait for whatever info Mikal says he has to come out. We’re not breaking out the torches and pitchforks yet.
FWIW I really don’t trust anything from Mikal when he says stuff like “The mod told me x.” I’ve seen him fake that shit as both town and scum.
Haven't decided if I trust him, either.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 12:50 PM (post #561)
If you can kill me just do it. It will confirm Luna’s results and I can get out of playing with these retards.
Can we not do this? It really doesn’t matter to me whether you’re scum or not, this kind of response just kills any enjoyment. Don’t be defeatist, just wait for whatever info Mikal says he has to come out. We’re not breaking out the torches and pitchforks yet.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 12:01 PM (post #557)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:57 AM (post #553)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:45 AM (post #548)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:41 AM (post #547)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:14 AM (post #542)
He sounds like a watcher tracker hybrid more like
Yeah, I initially read that as just Tracker, but looking back, it does both. Some crossover in roles does seem to be going on, but that’s a pretty direct CC.
Only reason I’m not attacking it is because Mikal said there was a tailor. Just a weird tailor choice…
Weird to go ahead with the claim after the flip as well. He’d have had the character from the start of last DP, so his changing his pfp to fit doesn’t really move the needle for me.
True but he also might not have noticed the flip. He didn’t say anything about pie being a watcher even after claiming, not until it was brought up just now. Could be a case of a fake claim gone wrong. But I am very open to pie being tailored.
I’m thinking on it a bit. Kaepora does give out the Lens of Truth and reveals hidden secrets, but he’s more like a guide, revealing paths forward in the game. It’s not too much of a stretch, though.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 11:48 AM (post #549)
I also dont think that flip is tailored. Its written very similar to how shinings was
I’m less clear. Copying the way a PM is written takes work, but it’s not impossible, and scum have a strong incentive to push attention wherever they can this DP. Not a given that it’s tailored, but I can’t dismiss it either.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:45 AM (post #548)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:41 AM (post #547)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/20/2026 at 11:14 AM (post #542)
He sounds like a watcher tracker hybrid more like
Yeah, I initially read that as just Tracker, but looking back, it does both. Some crossover in roles does seem to be going on, but that’s a pretty direct CC.
Only reason I’m not attacking it is because Mikal said there was a tailor. Just a weird tailor choice…
Weird to go ahead with the claim after the flip as well. He’d have had the character from the start of last DP, so his changing his pfp to fit doesn’t really move the needle for me.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 11:29 AM (post #544)
Also not going to say much. But im pretty sure rex is town. Can explain later but I can vouch for him atm. Does not lock him but credibility.
When I get home today ill spend some time on the wagons. Same people Who lynched shining were also on rex. I need to read every page in depth and think we all should full claim but poe is heavy on luna or wf. I think at least one scum is there and im leaning wf
Based on what you’ve said, all I’ll say for now is you’re welcome. I’ll let you sort out why.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/20/2026 at 9:57 AM (post #539)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/20/2026 at 9:54 AM (post #537)
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 9:11 AM (post #534)
Okay so im very annoyed shining died. I fell asleep that night and he just got dog piled. His claim was sus but thats why I wanted the justification and full claim. Once he said he fan give a sword. Anyone that has ever played this game should have backed off. One because its lore accurate and 2 because it was confirmable. Scum was on that lynch. Need to fully catch up but I am heavy heavy sus on wf.
He called out that shininga role was accurate and just lynched him cus "no other choice" knowing that the role could be confirmed. Worse case we went to a nl and the vig he passed out could offset the no lynch. If he was lying. He died today anyway.
I want to look at that wagon heavily
The choice was between splitting the vote on choices that no one liked because they were all weak behavioral reads (with Pie dead, it's pretty obvious he would have been a bad choice too) and picking what looked like a pretty clear CC. Much as I would have preferred a NL too, that wasn't an option. Go ahead and sus me for it, but that was literally everyone's thinking on that lynch.
Also, anything happen during the NP? Results?
I might as well lay out my claim and result just to get it out of the way.
I’m a watcher. Justification is I watch the stars. I’ve been softing this with my profile picture and banner.
I watched banana. Since they claimed they would possibly be a target either for a role block or kill. I got no one visited them except for myself.
Alright, figured you were heavily implying you were Professor Shikashi, and Watcher tracks for someone literally running the observatory.
Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/20/2026 at 9:11 AM (post #534)
Okay so im very annoyed shining died. I fell asleep that night and he just got dog piled. His claim was sus but thats why I wanted the justification and full claim. Once he said he fan give a sword. Anyone that has ever played this game should have backed off. One because its lore accurate and 2 because it was confirmable. Scum was on that lynch. Need to fully catch up but I am heavy heavy sus on wf.
He called out that shininga role was accurate and just lynched him cus "no other choice" knowing that the role could be confirmed. Worse case we went to a nl and the vig he passed out could offset the no lynch. If he was lying. He died today anyway.
I want to look at that wagon heavily
The choice was between splitting the vote on choices that no one liked because they were all weak behavioral reads (with Pie dead, it's pretty obvious he would have been a bad choice too) and picking what looked like a pretty clear CC. Much as I would have preferred a NL too, that wasn't an option. Go ahead and sus me for it, but that was literally everyone's thinking on that lynch.
Also, anything happen during the NP? Results?
Like Luna, I’ll leave it to others to confirm my night action, then I’ll full claim.
I'm going to head off here as well, need to get some sleep.
I'm just not seeing much choice beyond the obvious.
VTL: Shining
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/19/2026 at 12:09 AM (post #440)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/18/2026 at 10:08 PM (post #437)
Regardless, we're back to uncertain territory, particularly with that Tingle claim. I figured it was almost a given he's here, got a couple of ideas of what his role could be and I don't think it's likely he's TP, so I'm willing to set Rex aside as a possible lynch this DP.
Shining might just have to be it.
I am definitely going back to shining unless someone has a solid case against literally anyone else. I don't see that happening.
My thinking on Pie is just too loose to be actionable at this point. That just leaves Shining as the obvious one out.
Regardless, we're back to uncertain territory, particularly with that Tingle claim. I figured it was almost a given he's here, got a couple of ideas of what his role could be and I don't think it's likely he's TP, so I'm willing to set Rex aside as a possible lynch this DP.
Shining might just have to be it.
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/19/2026 at 12:03 AM (post #425)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/18/2026 at 11:58 PM (post #416)
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/18/2026 at 11:54 PM (post #405)
Why am I even being voted? Whatever, this is fucking retarded. If you want to let lazy scum lynch me DP1 like they always do you can lose.
Seriously, dude, participate. It's a 3 DP game and there's no wiggle room for people to just be absent for long stretches. Claim and let's make some actual progress.
If it's a 3DP game and lynching scum is so important randomly lynching a relatively inactive DP1 player is even more of a dumb strategy. I've reacted to the few pages I had available at the time and gave my reads.
The reads were... loose, to say the least. It's hard to get any insight into your thinking when you just place players and don't give much in the way of explanation. I get that inactivity happens, but let's not pretend that scum hasn't used opportunities to fly beneath the radar before.
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/18/2026 at 11:57 PM (post #411)
I'm Tingle. Not role claiming, you can lynch me if you want over that. I've done literally nothing to warrant being scum read. I'm working on no sleep and need to get up early tomorrow. If you want to lynch someone else whatever, I'll vote buy let me know soon.
That's... at least something. Let me think about this.
UNVOTE
Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 8/18/2026 at 11:54 PM (post #405)
Why am I even being voted? Whatever, this is fucking retarded. If you want to let lazy scum lynch me DP1 like they always do you can lose.
Seriously, dude, participate. It's a 3 DP game and there's no wiggle room for people to just be absent for long stretches. Claim and let's make some actual progress.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/18/2026 at 11:48 PM (post #390)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/18/2026 at 9:43 PM (post #385)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 11:38 PM (post #372)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/18/2026 at 11:36 PM (post #368)
So I don't want to bring in outside information, but Thoth wanted a quick game here and he wanted one that was town-sided, using the time limit as a way to give scum another potential wincon to awkwardly balance it. Not saying that makes the possibility of a Vig gifter and whatever Banana is more likely, but yeah, we should expect the game to be unbalanced. I think that's a given.
Hold up. The signup does say
There will probably be extra kills
UNVOTE
Damn, more information from the OP that I missed. The plural there seems like a hint, though it's unclear if all of those kills would be town.
I doubt it. Scum has got to have one or third party does. I am sure one of them is town though, and I believe banana.
I do, too. Not saying it's a good reason to trust Shining is town, and there's a risk that he could give a shot to scum if he is the TP, so I'm hesitant to just give him a pass.
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 11:38 PM (post #372)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 8/18/2026 at 11:36 PM (post #368)
So I don't want to bring in outside information, but Thoth wanted a quick game here and he wanted one that was town-sided, using the time limit as a way to give scum another potential wincon to awkwardly balance it. Not saying that makes the possibility of a Vig gifter and whatever Banana is more likely, but yeah, we should expect the game to be unbalanced. I think that's a given.
Hold up. The signup does say
There will probably be extra kills
UNVOTE
Damn, more information from the OP that I missed. The plural there seems like a hint, though it's unclear if all of those kills would be town.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/18/2026 at 11:38 PM (post #371)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 11:36 PM (post #367)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/18/2026 at 11:35 PM (post #366)
Originally Posted by wylted on 8/18/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #363)
It has to happen soon though because I need to sleep. I have a job. It might not be as lucrative as making pizzas but I have bills to pay
tbh you might be making more than me rn
I probably make more than both of you sitting on my ass in the office
You're Jewish so I'd assume as much.
Hey now, we can't all make that good scratch.
At least for now, my vote's going on Rex. If he's going to be gone much of the game, it's going to be a problem, and right now I have next to nothing to read from him and no reason to suspect that will change. I wouldn't agree with Kohai that his point earlier was TMI, but it felt kind of like a pointless interjection to make it seem like he was keeping track and giving thoughts.
Don't like what's going on with Shining and Banana, but I'd prefer to get some confirmation on the former's role and work from there before we lynch him.
VTL: RexFavilla
So I don't want to bring in outside information, but Thoth wanted a quick game here and he wanted one that was town-sided, using the time limit as a way to give scum another potential wincon to awkwardly balance it. Not saying that makes the possibility of a Vig gifter and whatever Banana is more likely, but yeah, we should expect the game to be unbalanced. I think that's a given.
Keeping the last 3 brief:
Luna - Null/slight town. Can't dismiss him entirely, but like with Mag1c, I think his responses don't match what I'd expect to see from early pressure if Luna was scum. Maybe I'm just not giving him enough credit, and this is still a weak behavioral read.
Mag1c - Slight town. The last minute reads are swinging me towards trusting him a little more, I think they all read as pretty genuine. Hasn't finished yet (here I am doing the same), but if this was an attempt to get a specific lynch, he's not using it like I'd expect to see if he's scum.
Wylted - Null/slight town. A bit easily side-tracked, though he's been focused here at the end of the DP. I can at least understand where he's coming from on his votes and I don't think he puts it out to others to help make the choice for him if he's scum. That's based on what I remember from his previous times playing as scum, though I could be misremembering, it's late and I'm tired.
So yeah, Pie and Rex seem like reasonable choices, but if there's really a solid CC going here, then I'd at least have to consider Shining.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/18/2026 at 11:17 PM (post #335)
we have 1 hour 45 min
Whiteflame's ISO didn't do much, I'm not considering Lunatic, Mikal, Banana, or Kohai
Shining's claim being a gifter that can gift a vigilante sounds kinda like Happy Mask Salesman, the top candidate for 3P. Do we want to 3P hunt here? We don't have many lynches and I doubt Banana will get to use her role with how she just revealed it like that. The 3P never outed, so they're definitely scumsiding.
Gun to head I guess Shining but I don't like it and I havent ISO'd you or Pie yet
I'm hesitant to just shoot for the TP. Just because they didn't out themselves doesn't mean they're scumsiding, there may be mechanics we just don't get yet that require them to stay silent for whatever reason. That being said, yeah, I had this same thought about Shining.
Alright, blitzing some reads. Yes, I've left Mag1c, Wylted and Luna off of here, I'm still working, but since Wylted says he's leaving soon, I figured I'd at least post this much.
Banana - Lean town. It's not so much that she made a mistake with her role that clears her, but rather that she claimed a day role at all. I don't think Thoth would have put the specific timeframe of action at 48 hours if there wasn't one in the game, and so far, no one else has claimed one. Maybe that's just naive - it could always be the case that someone else has a day role and is just saving it - but for now, I don't have any substantive reason to doubt her.
Shining - Null/slight town. I don't like the character claim, particularly for the fact that she's one of five Great Fairies in the game, but I'm balancing that with the reality that scum were given two fake claims and I have a hard time believing that Thoth just thought to randomly insert one of these as that claim. It just feels off. He's shown some willingness to claim if we "twist [his] arm," which I guess is something. He at least is hinting at having something meaningful to hide. Can't say that moves the needle much, though, and I'm torn on what to do about his character claim. Modifying this based on his claim, which at least makes me start to lean town a bit on him. I can see Thoth giving town a lot of tools to kill scum while potentially damaging itself, and it does fit his character pretty closely.
Mikal - Slight town. I can see a world in which Mikal saw that he had a solid fake claim in Tatl, realized she would pair well with Informative, and try to use that to make us concerned about flips. The decision to come out the gate with it helps his case a little, though if he is scum, he could've just asked about the existence of the same role or similar ones. I can't dismiss the possibility, but for now at least, I find it more likely than not that he's telling the truth.
Kohai - Slight town. This is mainly behavioral, a combination of how Magoroth came off in his frustration and how Kohai has behaved since he's arrived. I don't think he's this adamant or active as scum given this situation, and I think if he was, then there would be more of an indication of scumminess from him based on past behavior.
Rex - Null. So null it hurts. Too little here, not nearly enough insight into his thinking. Pointing out that Banana vs. Mago felt like TvT is literally the only opinion he's given beyond a set of loose reads, and even that comes with a grain of salt.
Pie - Null. Can't say I've seen anything that really sticks out in either direction from him. He's taking into account elements of the game, but there's little in the way of reads and no real scum hunting. He's more passive than normal, which raises a small red flag, though that might just be because he's wary of claims due to the fake claims available and the questions.
Originally Posted by wylted on 8/18/2026 at 11:16 PM (post #333)
I am open for any good reasoning that I can buy. My vote is for sale to anybody with better reasoning than my mere gut read assuming I can buy the reasoning
I'll post my thinking on each of them right after this, but they're both just null to me atm for different reasons.
Originally Posted by Shining on 8/18/2026 at 10:55 PM (post #290)
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 10:50 PM (post #286)
Originally Posted by Shining on 8/18/2026 at 10:50 PM (post #284)
VTL: RexFavilla
Originally Posted by Insomniac on 8/18/2026 at 10:47 PM (post #281)
VTL: Shining
If I can’t do rex I’d rather go here. Time to consolidate and not have 4 wagons with only 1 vote
The hell are you doing?
Hey nice of you to finally show up. It only took my vote to get you to respond
Full claim now
Fine, you cock. One night I can give someone a 1x dayvig they can use.
Hmmm... alright, that's interesting given what Banana seems to be suggesting she is. It's also a confirmable role, so I'd really have preferred that you refuse to claim and just say that you're confirmable. That does fit somewhat with this particular Great Fairy given that she gives out a powerful sword.
