whiteflame

note that wryly, whiteflame and pie ALL said Lunatic is not completely out of the PoE, he could be scum but not likely. this is basically a form of distancing.

I sincerely have no clue where this is coming from. Since I recruited him (cat's apparently out of the bag on that one), I've had substantial reason to townread him as the sole protective role and the sole means by which to remove the poison that was apparently applied to you. I've never given any indication that he's on the table for a lynch.

wait pie claimed even night slanderer too. why is no one talking about this?

can someone explain to me why no one is questioning the fact that we have two even night slanderers in wylted in pie? am i missing something, or are we just okay with that?

The whole favor system and what balance would look like for roles affecting it is difficult to parse. We know there are multiple roles affecting its allocation. Hell, if our reads are right, two town players in Shining and Wryly effectively got identical passives with different names. I'm taking CCs with a hefty grain of salt this game.

Alright, that's me rapidly catching up on the DP, assuming I didn't miss anything important. It's late and I have a debate to read that I've been putting off for far too long. I'd like to get an updated vote count (preferably out of 5 this time, given that's the threshold for a lynch) and I'll make a call in the morning.

I know some are conservative but my philosophy with vig is to shoot every time I am able so town gets double the kills. I couldn't use it but tried to shoot mago anyway.

I'd honestly be more surprised if you hadn't, especially after the NL, but with favor being what it is and the apparent loss to it you suffered, I get why you wouldn't have been able to shoot.

I'm the shade of a vampire who's just been told it will be daylight all the time now

So a shut-in then? Get out into the light!

I will get no tracker results but I can still uselessly target people to track, so I suppose I could track Shining this NP and he would detect my visit. Closest thing to confirmation I can give y'all

Huh, so you just visit now? That's... different.

Why? The only thing going for her is the mechanical aspect of her role.

The fact that her role apparently stopped functioning at the same time as Mago's stands out.

Exactly, and I’m super close. I can literally confirm myself with a little more favor. It’s the closest thing to mod confirmed town in the game

That's what is holding me back from making you the priority lynch.

Thats my point though. All the roles are either custom roles that you can’t find anywhere or are normal roles. This one sticks out in the sense that the role is out there, but description is different. If REF created all these names for the custom roles, the way she’s describing it is a custom role too, so why would he give a name that has something attached to it?

At this point, we're just getting into the weeds of modpsych and that's never a great place to be. The name could be the same for all kinds of reasons. The Siren role as she describes it is odd regardless and worth sussing by itself, so I'll leave it at that.

Consort- slander can remove two favor from a person of my choosing. I won't do it though I am assuming only town can give favor so I wouldn't want to. This is even night

Noble consort- odd night vigilante

Imperial- become miller

Alright, so you have a potentially confirmable role in the Vig. Guessing you didn't have the favor to use that, based on the loss from Mikal anyway.

It's running late but I am open to switching to wryly the votes on pie are me you and mago

If we can actually accomplish wryly first it may be preferred but

I just don't get the sus on Wryly at all.

Pretty sure pie is scum here.

Main thing that's holding me back from lynching him is that we could potentially just confirm him next DP. If my math is right, he's claiming to have 7 favor right now, so he could theoretically have the lynchproof next DP. Not saying it solves the game, but maybe the thinking here was that it would be a big boon to town to have someone who is effectively confirmed going into the late game.

no, rex said it was seperate from favor which means it has nothing to do with favor. vader has other actions he can use aparently, and i can stop those. and i agree that it has negative utility, so i probably wont end up using that one. also apparently vader didnt use any actions np1 so i couldnt have used it anyway

Oh, I completely misunderstood. I understand what you're getting at now.

So I got caught up in a new anime and lost track of time.

I'm curious: which one?

Whiteflame is definetly the odd man out too. I can never behaviorally read him

I take this read as a compliment in any game.

I think my POE is Banana, Whiteflame, Pie, Kohai, Wylted at the moment.

I just don't get the read on Wylted. He'd have to have been given the Miller as a fake claim, and it's such a weird fake claim to give scum since it is inherently negative utility and only acquired at high favor. Strikes me as more likely town than not. Other than that, I agree with this POE.

Yea. Unfortunately I have no notes on why he chose you

Oh well. At least you're here and posting, appreciate your stepping in.

Genuinely, I wake up, work, go home, eat, and work some more, and sleep. Same thing for the past week with no break. There’s just a million things to do cause we had a layoff and I’m not trying to lose my job in this shitty market

Don't love the absence, but I can't blame you for being busy.

Interesting. Whoever has the protective roles is more likely to be town imo. If WF is the protective, then WF/Luna are solid from a role and behavioral perspective. If we take Wylted and Shining as town, that leaves exactly Wryly, Awesome/Kohai, and Banana. At worse a 66% chance of catching scum. At best, the game is over.

Largely agree with this, though I don't buy Wryly as scum, so we're talking you, Awesome/Kohai and Banana at this point.

Character: Noble Consort Hui (started at 6 favor)

Concubine: Vanilla

Consort: Odd Night Strengthener

Noble Consort: Even Night Slanderer (can reduce someone’s favor by 1)

Imperial Noble Consort: Lynchproof

A little wary of the Strengthener given that it wouldn't be a first for scum to use it as an easy fake claim, but with a Rolestopper, Redirector and RB already flipped, I can at least see why there might be a Strengthener. The Lynchproof would at least be confirmable if you could use it and I can't imagine REF giving that to scum, though I'm guessing you don't have access to it now.

I dislike Banana’s Siren claim. Here is what a Siren does per MafiaUniverse. Funny enough it’s the role of the day on MU today. This is what Siren does:

”The Siren is an independently aligned player who may submit one name each night. If the named player visits the Siren on that night, they die. Once the Siren successfully kills two players in this fashion, they win the game.”

The Siren role does ping me as odd, but I don't think Banana just grabbed a role designed for a TP and imposed a role tailor-made to this game over it to retain the name. The role looks scummy to me mainly because I don't see any town utility, but it's not because it's called "Siren."

Two town chats is just so loaded

How they work is entirely distinct. You could have recruited Mikal and Vader to a separate chat. I can recruit to my own chat, though I can't target Vader. The DP1 OP specifically says that roles cannot target the Emperor unless they specifically designate him as a target, which is part of the reason I bought your claim. Mine does not offer that option.

Character: Noble Consort Xian

Role: Odd-night benefactor and Even-night adjudicator

Odd nights: I can give a favor to another concubine

Even nights: Take a favor and give it to another

If I reach the peak harem rank I become popular.

Alright, so we know that Awesome used the Benefactor on me. That tracks, though I really wanted to know why he chose me and why he apparently regretted doing so. Popular's an odd passive, but no more so than Miller.

well if either of those two are real its probably the doctor/bodyguard, the double chat roles is a lil suspicious. interesting decision not to cc wryly with that

I agree, that's the townier role, though the chat itself is confirmed. The reason we didn't CC Wryly is because it's significantly different: her role establishes a chat pipeline between two other players (including the Emperor), whereas the Mason role cannot be used on the Emperor and recruits to the user's chat.

i c its my turn to full claim tho so im an odd night siren. this allows me to learn the emporers night actions and veto them. rex said this ability is seperate from the favor thing so that means he has other roles besides the favor giving. i can confirm this one by basicly roleblocking vader, so while i can do it, its probably anti town to do it and i dont see a reason why i would need to use this one. vader has seemed pretty reasonable so far.

That's an odd role to have on town. So you just straight veto favor allocations? I get why you didn't use it, just seems like this has negative utility for town.

my second role is even night benefactor, and i can give one favor to any person i want. at imperial noble i am an ascetic and am immune non lethal night actions.

Given Awesome/Kohai's claim, that's two Benefactors. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of favor delivery roles around with how complex the setup is this game.

so both of these are confirmable

In theory, anyway. You're not likely to use the first one, as you said already. Your allocation of favor is confirmable so long as there's no other way to explain it and it doesn't get manipulated.

I have good reason to buy his role claim. Getting down into the why of it would require revealing which of us is which role, so I'll leave it at that for now.

I can confirm that the above from Luna is accurate and that this information was communicated mostly during NP1.

Bit of a lopsided Super Bowl, but here we are.

I have no idea what Thoth was thinking just vanishing from the DP. He might not have survived anyway with that claim, but disappearing only made him look scummy.

I do not get this sus on Luna much at all. I get that he was leading a lynch on Mago and that Thoth flipped town, but their ending up being town doesn't mean he was wrong to sus them. I'd still say he's behaviorally town and I don't get the scumread from Mago.

Also, great to see Kohai swapped in for Awesome. That fullclaim would be a huge help given how little we heard from Awesome.

I had hoped to hear from Vader by now, but it's been 4 hours and the Super Bowl will be starting in about 40 minutes. I backed one VTNL, but I'm not backing a NL here and Thoth's absence from the DP since he's been sussed is damning enough.

VTL Thoth

Going to wait to get Vader's thoughts before I post a vote. Will get one up regardless.

Consider my vote on you. You're effectively at L-1, so time to full claim.

Unvote

Much as I have decent reason to pursue Awesome, I can't say his absence is good enough to keep my vote on him. My vote would go on Thoth if I had to cast it now, but I want to sleep on this and make a decision tomorrow morning. I'll get to it well before we eke up on time/start prepping for a party we're having for the Super Bowl.

shinings double vote confirmed

Forgot about that mechanic.

Before I start going through my reads, I'll say up top that I'm willing to claim if push comes to shove. My role is confirmable.

Thoth - I feel like both DPs have just pinged me in different ways with him. I'm used to Thoth going pretty deep into TMI and expected more of that coming into this game, but DP1 seemed like a more scattershot approach to analysis. Couple that with a relatively low energy DP2 so far where he suggested lynching between Wryly and Shining and he ends up a scum lean.

Pie - I haven't been on the same page with many of his reads, though I ended up coming to a different conclusion about those than Luna, especially given he's continued to be adamant about Shining and Magoroth past the point where it was any kind of simple task to get them lynched. I'm balancing that against a surprisingly accepting response to Wylted's Miller claim and a relatively low amount of activity, which could be driven by him just being busy. I don't think he's done anything particularly scummy, he's just kind of off to me. Null.

Banana - Behaviorally, I'd say Banana is pretty consistent with what I've seen from her town meta with short but thoughtful responses and insights and a pretty solid readlist. That's still the case in this DP, though her contributions have been fewer and she hasn't VTL'd anyone yet. The character claim, even with an established amount of favor, doesn't change anything either since she hasn't done or suggested she's done anything confirmable despite apparently having the favor to do so. I want to townread her, but I'd say she's shifted null.

Wylted - Largely confirmed by Shining's claim. I still don't get the idea of the mechanic that a Miller would activate after he received enough favor, but he claimed that way before he should have known that there was a Cop in the game. Small chance he's on a team with Shining, but that's about the only case either of them are scum. Town.

Shining - The Rolecop result on Magoroth already made it very likely Shining was Town, and the un-CC'd Cop claim only helps his case more. Aside from the Wylted/Shining outside chance, he's Town.

Magoroth and Wryly - I'm putting these two together because the reasoning overlaps. The deactivated Tracker and Watcher function as confirmation that you both were linked to the Empress Dowager, who already flipped town. That would be one hell of a gambit to pull off and I just don't buy it. It helps that Magoroth got his roles confirmed by Shining. Town.

Luna - Largely townread him based on behavior. This is the kind of Luna scumhunting I haven't seen in a hot minute but recognize quite well. The push on Magoroth last DP made sense and pulling back from it, even while saying that the lynch would have been valid, also fits a pretty open Luna that I wouldn't expect if he was scum. Even without a claim, I'd label him a slight townread.

Awesome5000 - Just not enough material to say anything meaningful about him. I can confirm that I received favor, but that only role confirms him. He hasn't explained why he chose me or why he now regrets that decision. Null.

So, POE is Thoth, Pie, Banana and Awesome, with Luna as a more outside chance.

Whiteflame has been kind of center of the road the whole game, not really posting things that give a strong indicator of having opinions that demonstrate he leans a certain way. He seems like he is being reasonable with his reads and opinions, which isn't out of character for him, but I also kind of expect a town whiteflame to be slightly more decisive and push in literally any direction. I was suprised about the no lynch he opted into on dp1, but then he hasn't really been advocating a direction in this day phase either. I get the vibe the scum team is kind of waiting patiently like a pack of hyenas to see what mislynch oppertunities arrive before we see a sudden surge of activity from some of these players.

Not exactly a first for me to opt for a NL on day 1, especially given that the focus was on someone I couldn't get a good feel on (and apparently for good reason) with Magoroth. Still, fully admit I've been largely absent this DP. I'll post a set of reads before I call it a night. I agree with what you posted earlier about needing to at least start solidifying around a lynch before tomorrow since the Super Bowl will likely dominate the day.

You confirm you received favor last night then

I had assumed it came from Vader, but yes, I did.

i gave whiteflame favor last night

i kinda regret it now but whatever

I appreciate that you're at least claiming your night action, but why do you regret giving me favor? Any insight into your thinking would be a big help.

Whats your thoughts on Mago?

I think he's likely town, just don't buy that this is all a gambit from him and the removal of his Watcher apparently coincided with Wryly's lost Tracker when Mikal died. Lends him more support.

Also, all my roles are investigative counting my passive.

Fair point.

Know what? Sure. My consort role is Odd night Rolecop, my noble consort is odd night cop, and my passive is careful.

So double investigative then? Wylted's claimed Miller means there's an alignment investigative role, so a Cop would make sense. And I believe you mentioned that you're the Empress as well, which would make sense of you having access to your passive role so early.

I'm Consort Shu, a spy the Empress Dowager sends into the Emperor's harem -- though she simps for him like a newb -- and my powers are thus spy-oriented but Empress Dowager contingent. So I get an odd night Tracker, but only if the Empress Dowager is alive do I receive any results from it, and I get a 1x even night Cypher at Noble Consort level that enables communication between the Emperor and Empress Dowager.

So your Tracker is linked to the Empress Dowager? Odd that Mikal's flip doesn't mention anything about an Enabler, but I guess that's inherent to your claim, not his. As for the Cypher, would this communication be for one night or continuous? I've never heard of a role that established external communication for other players, so that's a new one.