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The most recent game I can find where Banana played with a Popular player was Game Show mafia. She was scum and it was Luna's game. Moozer was the Popular Townie and was slow to claim even after having been absent for a lot of the DP.

Can one of yall see if Banana has ever played in a past game where someone was a popular. I’m curious

I'll take a look back.

Does anyone else get sus vibes from Shining?

His point about Kohai likely not being the hidden Miller was a bit off, but it's not much to work from.

Coaches and staff I guess

Not a lot of choices, then. If you're who I think you are, you're likely town.

Danny McBride and I guess the show is eastbound and down and I thought it was red lasso

Ah, haven't seen that one.

Is the guy from pineapple Express the main star in it or am I mixing this up with another show.

Seth Rogan? No, lead's played by Jason Sudeikis.

Anyway I literally see zero town motivation for banana to claim. It's dumb. In fact why not just wait until there is some heat on her before claiming so we can at least see some behavioral reads on her train later?

It's not terribly unusual for someone to claim Popular straight up. I get seeing it as sub-optimal town play, but I don't get seeing it as scummy.

If you want a soft claim. I think my character is female and my role is passive at best

The suggestion was to claim in categories. I'm concerned about asking for more in case it gives too much info, but the categories are laid out in the OP. Which group - coaches and staff, footballers or other - do you belong to?

It's dumb in both regards but especially with hated. Just keep that shit to yourself. With hated I understand the motivation but not with popular.

Some people just want to verify their roles, I get it. There's as much motivation to do so as scum as there is as town. I'm lost on where the scumread comes in, just as I would be if someone called Banana town based on verifying her role.

7-2 is unfair to scum slightly and 6-3 is unfair to town by a wide margin. I assume that a 1x popular scum helps balance that tension there

7-2 is a very normal distribution for games like this and pretty fair to both sides. I don't see how the 1X Popular helps balance a dynamic that's already balanced.

Hey, I got actual sleep last night, so at least I have something to function off of today that isn't the coffee IV in my arm.

Town Wylted does try to game solve quickly but normally he's hyperactive and also finds town slots. When scum, he takes his usual fluff a bit further than normal, does some excessive mech talk, and then disappears. He's not completely fitting the profile of either here.

True. Behaviorally, he doesn't stand out either way. The lack of softing is more troubling.

The logic behind the push is pretty bad.

I'd like to understand his thinking, but since he often functions in gut reads and small tells, it's probably not going to happen.

I'm not going to stay on late tonight, trying to get some sleep early. That being said, I don't like the fact that Wylted caught back up and didn't have anything to say about softclaiming at all. With Pie, it's just that he's busy, but I don't get Wylted suddenly posting a vote on Banana and having little else to say.

VTL Wylted

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It’s a candle burning down. Full sized version:

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1.Wylted - ?? -??

2.Whiteflame - Other - ??

3.iLikePie5 - ?? - ??

4.Banana - Jamie Tart - 1x popular

5.Mag1cMan - Other - ??

6.Wryly - ?? - ??

7.Shining - ?? - ??

8.Kohai - Other - Knows there is a hidden miller

9.RexFavilla - Coaches & Staff - ??

Already said mine, just adding it in.

I thought about this, but I don’t see why scum would be warned or informed of a cop. Usually they’re just given counters and then they know.

It’s unusual, just covering my bases here since we don’t know what kind of info they were given.

Thought about this as well, but then scum has to ask if the informed claim could be CC’d by a non-hidden miller.

Yeah, that would be a substantial risk.

There’s a reason I’m still townreading him, just can’t say it’s a given yet.

I know in a recent game the informed was a hidden nexus. Worth taking into consideration for the investigative role.

Yep, that was my game. I'm nervous about applying the game design logic Mag1c and I used on my game to this one, but it's plausible.

Yeah I don’t think Kohai is gambiting. Was thinking on it but there’s just too much that can go wrong, plus his bold claim from last game was in a desperate situation. If there’s no informed, scum Kohai would still be screwed if there’s no cop

He’s town.

The only thing that's holding me back from making the same conclusion is that "role hint" Luna mentioned in the OP. That could mean scum were informed that there is a certain role, or at least a certain type of role, is in the game. Alternatively, scum could just have a GF/Lawyer/Framer, so they would know that there's an alignment investigative role. I still don't think Kohai does this regardless, since it doesn't give him or his partner much in the way of cover if he is scum (someone getting a "guilty" is still likely to result in a lynch), so the strategy doesn't make sense from his perspective. He's more likely town than not.

Fair enough. I'm in the "Other" category.

Easy enough to test, so I’ll leave my vote where it is. Fits for Tartt.

I guess I’ll put some cards on the table to get something moving. I won’t full claim but I have some information about tbe game namely there is a hidden miller in this setup

Hmmm... that's interesting. That sparks some ideas for potential theme splits, but I'm going to hold off on giving ideas on that front.

Anyway VTL whiteflame for having a pfp I mistook for enchanted rapiers. Literally just make it a white flame or this dog I saw on TikTok and immediately thought of you

Fair criticism. I like me some candles that look like swords, would've loved that flame to be white.

Also, where did you get that picture of my dog!?

It's early yet. Not sure what everyone else's mileage is with the show, but we've got to start somewhere.

VTL Banana

Have you seen much of Ted Lasso? Also, how's it going?

Alright, I'm on but hardly awake on like... 3 hours of sleep.

Anyway, this is one theme I know very well, great show. I will try to be pretty active this game.

Nice to Luna to post a set of characters that limit who could be in this game, but obviously that's a lot more than 9. There are some characters on this list I would say are significantly more likely than others, but I'll keep that to myself for now, especially since it's likely that Luna did include some characters with smaller roles in the mix.

/in

Just submitted the results.

Yep, that did not go well at all for scum. I don’t know what Kohai was thinking with the Cop claim (even if there wasn’t a direct CC, any alignment investigative roles like Dreamer would have made that sus). Magoroth claiming Motion Detector was an easier lift, but I flagged that as potentially CC’d by a Tracker or Watcher and, lo and behold, we had that. I get that the theme split would probably have bit you in the end regardless when you both claimed your characters (not much choice if the alternative was claiming blind), but both of you choosing investigative roles meant you were bound to draw some attention as well.

Yeah, let’s just do this. If we have to pick up the pieces tomorrow, so be it, but letting this hang at L-1 overnight seems silly.

VTL Magoroth

Whiteflame had a clearing idea on Shining last DP.

I don't think it's accurate. There's a chance Shining used all of his questions to find Trump.

It definitely isn’t accurate since at least one scum player did straight claim their character, which means having four questions didn’t give them much in the way of fake claims, if anything. Main question is whether they spent everything they had to get Trump as a very believable safe claim. I guess I could see it as a sort of last ditch effort when you have nothing at all and are just hoping it works out, but I don’t buy it.

I’ve seen his defense against much of this already, and I just can’t see him being town here. Wylted’s JOAT coupled with my Dreamer already seems like a lot of town investigative roles.

Anyone have a problem with me hammering this? Figure you guys can lynch me next DP if he somehow flips town.

I did not move. My role is actually incapable of movement during the NP. So either someone was redirected to me, someone is lying about visiting me, or Magoroth is lying about being a smoke detector.

Motion Detector, but yes, otherwise that's accurate.

I'm good with this lynch, though honestly, if people would rather lynch me to confirm my result first, I'd respect that. Just make sure you take out Magoroth next DP.

Also, should've removed this:

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It's almost certainly Magoroth. Like I said, just waiting on REF to determine if his claim even backs the Motion Detector at all.

Sure it does. He had nothing to claim and was about to be lynched, so he went for a hail mary; one that his teammate decided to let him do.

Yeah, it makes sense given the circumstances. He was at L-2, so I think he believed it was do or die and went for something big in hopes it would work. Didn't pay off, but I'll give him credit for a ballsy choice.

It could be magic. I just realized mago is Ted Cruz which fits the 2016 primary theory as well.

Yeah, that makes sense. I can see the argument against Mago, mainly just looking for REF to say whether he did anything NP1 before making a call.

Magic feels town to me. It's a behavioral read and strong gut feeling but the only evidence I have is that I don't think that David makes that mistake with magic in the scum chat

Yeah, he's feeling more townie to me this DP. I also find that hard to believe.