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I did say that, and I am sorry if I confused anyone. I started catching up on the thread and saw that Wylted was being sussed because he claimed to have tried to poison Shining and people thought Wylted was lying about what the poison did. I went into panic mode and posted that Wylted did not kill Shining because I wanted a response ASAP lest Wylted unnecessarily claim before I finished catching up, and then I realized that my information didn't clear Wylted because he could have performed the NK and lied about the poison ability.

Alright, still seems like you know something about WyIted, just that it was less useful than you thought it was. That makes a little more sense.

It’s possible bust still don’t buy the flavor of his role

So I want to clarify this: what do you mean by “flavor” in this context? Do you mean the whole Empire/Toran split idea?

I learned that Shining was the night-kill.

I don't know whether or not wylted performed the night-kill.

I don't know whether or not wylted (tried to?) poison Shining, nor do I know what poisoning would have done, if it exists.

So… I’m confused. Didn’t you start off responding this DP by saying that Wylted didn’t kill Shining, then shift to saying that he could only have killed Shining with an NK? You seemed to confirm something about him, but now you’re making it sound like you have no info on Wylted.

No I think they got milich 

and they had to make something work with it

That does make some sense. I got Pesmerga as my fake claim, but no fake role to go with him.

Would the poisoning have been announced publicly? That’s usually how it works.

I'm stumped as to what role you could have had that allowed you to ascertain 1) that wylted did not kill Shining and 2) that Mikal is innocent, all in one NP.

Could a more experienced player weigh in on that?

I have no idea. It’s especially weird since he’s saying he knows WyIted didn’t kill Shining… with his role, which means he could have killed him with the NK, but somehow Thoth can’t rule that out. Maybe some redirection mechanic?

Wylted did not kill Shining.

Is this a confession or are you claiming info on the real killer?

Ah... nevermind then. Might actually have been the right choice to claim.

What harm is there in me role claiming early this DP?

Keeping your role in reserve when you can't verify that it was used, and potentially getting a chance to use it later, seems valuable.

So the NK happened. Scum targeted Shining. WyIted claims he also visited Shining. Odd for him to announce that knowing that he's necessarily going to be sussed over it. I don't love how his reveal has gone down this DP, but I can't say I scumread him for it.

I just got word back. Red says a poison victim would still be alive the following DP so probably just a coincidence with the NK

Yeah... this is why it would have paid to ask about it before announcing that you poisoned him.

Glad you are back, sorry we killed you. No hard feels right?

You're one of the good ones, Luna. Others though... but my wincon...

Start with validating what your poison does and go from there. REF should at least be able to tell you whether your poisoned target flips as dead and "vanishes"

You really should have determined this with REF before publicly announcing what you did, just saying.

Yeah, it reads as an NK with an extra step, not like poison. Maybe he just looks dead, but...

Done.

Seems like this should be confirmable with REF. If something doesn't jive with your role, it's worth finding out.

Fair. I'm not sure, either.

Cool. Not sure that applies here, but I'll keep that in mind.

Seems WyIted answered my question. It's poison... somehow.

Shining came across to me very scummy and I poisoned him. I am told the poison kills him this np unless I choose to heal him which I can decide to do. My plan going into this DP was to use the poison as a type of ace hanging over his head so I could unilaterally decide for town to apply extreme pressure. However I thought he would still be able to post in the DP and all that so it looks like my plan can't be carried out, so we need to discuss whether I should heal him or not.

So... you poisoned him, but didn't check to see what the effect of said poison would be? You would think a silencing effect/removal from the DP while it's active would be a part of your PM. Also, wouldn't that suggest that the NK failed?

So then... it functions like Janitor just with a thematic name? Or do you think it's a different function altogether?

Yep, that's right: I'm back and not TP this time if you'll believe it.

Looks like Shining died... by Janitor, apparently? I guess that's why there's no flip.

I'm surprised I'm still alive, but hey, I'll at least leave you with a little more (completely useless at this point) information about my role.

My Day Vig is a 1 shot, so it's useless now, as is the rest of my role which rests on who I hit. If I had hit someone with a True Rune (I don't believe Magic's character had one), I would have gotten access to another night time role: either BP (which is part of the reason I didn't believe that someone else had that role) or Deflector. Something for town and scum to think about going into the NP, anyway.

And yes, believe it or not, I could have won with either town or scum, and I was inclined towards the former before all this went down. I have literally no incentive at this point to lie, since I've actively called for my own lynch, but you guys will prove it to yourselves with my flip.

The problem I have is you literally stated you could win with either town or mafia. You could have proven you’d rather win with town and I would not be voting you.

I was told, multiple times by several other people, that I would be the auto-lynch regardless of what I did the moment I claimed and said I was TP, and then one of those people who was widely townread told me who to shoot. Maybe you were willing to think differently if I'd taken all the steps to ensure that I didn't Vig a player who hadn't claimed, but your vote doesn't seem like it would have saved me from being lynched anyway.

I've already acceded that I will and should be the lynch, but just to be clear: I could have just shot randomly or killed someone who was virtually a confirmed townie. I was dead anyway and I know it by that point, not like it would have cost me anything. Instead, I chose the target Mikal picked out for me. Pretty weak way to sabotage town when I had all the choices.

I think its bizarre you try cozying up to town after being outted as the TP dayvig and killing the cop lol.

If you think this is me cozying up to town… wow, man. I accepted my fate before I claimed, let alone before I shot him. I’m not cozying up to anyone, just agreeing I’m screwed.

I don’t think enough people are going to commit to even letting me survive this DP, let alone get to MYLO/LYLO. It’s fine. For all that Pie lists all of his issues with my behavior, the fact of the matter is that my ability to win with either faction is always going to be a sticking point. Wouldn’t be my decision, but that’s me.

As for whether to lynch WF, I think town has succeeded in engendering at best apathy and at worst spite in him and hes unlikely to want to help us atp, so yeah

More apathy than spite at this point. If I’m left alive, that view could change, though I suspect I’ll be on the chopping block next DP anyway, so I don’t see much point in it. Much as I’m loath to admit it, I think lynching me is a better move than either lynching blind or no lynching.

not sure why he was given a fake claim or why he claimed it. 

Don’t know why I was given one either. As for why I claimed it, this is my first exposure to either character. I assumed Pesmerga would be the safer claim since he was the fake claim. More fool me.

And just FYI, if I hadn’t been sussed, my aim would have been to wait until we had a couple of targets that were broadly sussed, pick between them, kill one and then announce it. Didn’t work out that way, so you only have my word for that.