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Mag1cman (Madoka, Doctor) was slain by a magical girl's weapon.

Didn't notice that. That flavor text probably means that the recruit carried out the NK, since they would have become a magical girl upon accepting the contract.

The same reason he chose Pie NP1: To investigate him. An unclaimed visit on Pie was intended to townlock him. I guess Mikal wasn’t fully confident in Pie.

Alright, that makes sense.

Tagging you for the above.

I'm good with getting Rex's claim first this DP.

VTL Rex

I don't see good reason to sus Mag1c's choice of target when he was Madoka since we've already confirmed that he was town with his flip. You'd have to believe he's lying about his target on his previous character to give his current character some towncred, which I don't think he needs to do and would just be a weird choice.

I'm Kyosuke btw.

Figured you were either Kyosuke (love interest for Sayaka and Hitomi) or Tatsuya (Madoka's younger brother). Madoka's father Tomohina was also a possibility, but I can remember barely anything about him at all.

Perhaps Madoka made a contract with Kyubey after all, in her last moments. Perhaps, as the first of the main cast to die, she was always fated to become a witch.

I'm unclear, does this change the game? I'm familiar with Kriemhild Gretchen being Madoka's witch form (it comes up in at least one of Homura's time loops), but is this just flavor or does this signify some extra power for scum?

Well, hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving.

Not too surprised Mag1cman was the NK target given he was confirmed to be Madoka. RIP.

Hey, welcome to the game Mag2cman! Glad you could sub in.

Ended up choosing Mikal cause I figured if he’s town he’s the second most likely target for mafia.

And now that I’ve subbed in, I think I made the right choice. In my defense, my read on Mikal was the lowest confidence, essentially based on Pie being scum, and even then there’s no guarantee. Just a tinfoil.

I think we already had pretty good reason to townread him, so I get the thinking at least. Not my strongest townread, but I'd considered him a strong town lean already.

Anyway Mikal opted to inspect Pie again. No one visited Pie last night.

Alright. Any idea why he chose Pie?

Yep, happy thanksgiving everyone.

Well, with one minute left, this DP is over. Guess we're tackling all this next DP. Use night actions wisely, people.

When we're still cutting it down to the last few minutes in the DP... yeah, kinda defeats the purpose.

Cutting any decision close. If we end in a NL, I guess we can pick this back up next DP.

I think the case is good enough against him. He's either the lynch today or he's going to be a major focus of the next DP, and we can always use the VTNL later. I'll stay on long enough to be the hammer if enough people are willing to do it.

Was going to log off. Is there enough support for this to happen in the next 20 minutes?

The extended reads are appreciated, look forward to seeing the rest in the morning since it seems like a NL is a foregone conclusion at this point.

Scratch that, just over an hour left. Don't type tired.

Considering we've got less than an hour left and we're just waiting on Mharman to give us his reads, I can't say I can see much to do with the time left. I can see the value in getting a flip, but that requires getting enough people to agree on a target, and if we're split between that choice and the VTNL, then that won't happen. The NL will happen if we don't get a majority anyway, as it's looking like we won't. I'll check in one more time before I go to bed, but I'm fading fast.

Alright, I'll wait.

In order to solve the game we need to get information that only comes through night kills and lynches. If it turns out that there is no night kills again then we are in the same boat as we are in right now.

There are roles that will be in play during the NP, so I disagree that, even if the NK is stopped, there would be no value to a NL. I get the desire to have any flip in play, but we already have some pretty valuable intel and we'll get more. And since we're still at 8 players, we've got the leeway to do another NL.

Is ref usually this radio silent?

He's usually online in fits and starts, makes getting a claim difficult if we tackle it this late.

Alright, you're at L-2. Consider my vote on you as well, better to get your claim this DP and ensure we lynch correctly.

Can you please verify: Did you accept or reject the contract? 

I was clear at the start of this DP in post #24. “I declined the offer.”

Yes, but I was the first not knowing that others got the contract offer.

If you are scum, you would know that others received the offer, so that doesn't change much.

I think there is confirmed scum within the pool of folks who admitted to taking the contract.

Plausible.

I actually think this may confirm you’re not the recruiter.

I think my character claim should make that pretty unlikely, considering the small pool of characters to draw from.

also if I was actually scum here do you think I’d admit right out of the gate that I initially accepted the contract offer right out of the gate?

You aren't the only one who claimed to accept the contract offer. Rex did too.

If I was actually scum do you think I would actually seek mod confirmation of your claim and post his answer?

Since he gave the same answer to Rex, it's mainly a question of whether I think you'd get out ahead of him to post it. It looks more townie than not, I'll give you that.

Seems you both got confirmation that my role wouldn't affect the recruitment. I appreciate that Thoth is answering questions like this, since I didn't really get it either.

As for the vote, I can see the case against both of you. I'd prefer to get Rex's claim sooner rather than later, but with 3 full claims and a partial claim on the table, it may make more sense to wait until next DP to get it. We don't know if there are any lingering anti-claim mechanics still in play. Regardless, I'll make my decision tonight, want to go back through both your posts before I do.

I targeted you and saw someone visit you other than myself

if I was redirected to Mharm then yes. Someone visited him other than myself. I could have saw supa since he redirected me so not sure how that works.

It's possible someone else visited Mharman, but we do at least have one other person who did given the redirect.

Im called an inspector. I target someone and see if anyone other than myself visits them

literally that someone other than myself visited them. Not how many, (can be more than 1), just that someone that was not me also visited that person or if no one visited them

Alright, that clarifies it. So it's basically a 1-way Motion Detector focused only on whether your target is visited by others.

So you had two hidden abilities? That seems OP, damn.

Considering one of them would be a net detriment to town in a game with anti-claim mechanics, the number of hidden abilities isn't really the problem. It's more the fact that he didn't mention he had a hidden ability when we were told last DP that PMs would mention if you had one. It struck me as odd that he wouldn't have put the pieces together given he would have seen that.

Did anyone else get a hidden ability in addition to the one Kyubey would've granted them?

Others should know if they have one based on their PM. All the hidden abilities definitely make things more complicated.

Mag1cman - Madonna Kaname - ???

Much as I'm tickled by this, it's Madoka, not Madonna.

If you were ascetic wouldn't you be immune from all night actions including recruting attempts and contracts? This directly contradicts your earlier statement stating you got a contract request

I asked about that. It affects any role that targets me specifically. Thoth said the contract offer functions differently. That confused me when I thought I was the only one that received it.

I think I'll also head off for the night. Hoping we get out of work a little early before the holiday (depends on the plant we work with, but it usually happens).