whiteflame

I'll let Zoro say it for me:

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-happened-zoro-zoro-badass-one-piece-gif-21099082

Insert "interesting" in the middle.

It also seems like there are 2 forms of contracts being offered. I’m curious about how people got 2 different items but seemingly everyone got something. Weird

Kohai may be implying that the message he received was different from the one I've seen that mentioned hidden abilities. I assume you got the same message as I did given your mention of hidden abilities. Wryly says she was unrecruitable, so she must have received a distinct message as well.

Targeted Casey(Mikal) last night with my action.

Alright, be interested in hearing what Mikal has to say as regards that.

Yeah. I can see what you are saying; however I have vader is lock town. I think mharman is definitely not original scum but may have accepted recruit.

I agree with the latter. I'd like to know why you're still town-locking Vader. Did the message you received from Thoth not say anything about hidden abilities?

We know that at least one person accepted recruit.

I think you mean at least one person was recruited, since we have two people who claim to have accepted it and not been recruited.

Does anyone notice anything? There's an odd ball out and that's whiteflame. They're the only ones who never claimed to receive a recruitment offer

Look back at my first response to you back in post #24. It was one of the first things I said in this DP.

It was mod confirmed that a hidden ability could have been used last night, but was not. This aligns with vader's claim.

The message I received from Thoth says that I could have unlocked a hidden ability if I'd accepted the contract. I read that message a few times. Mentioning that doesn't make me townread him.

Everyone needs to claim today

Like I said, if enough people want it, I'll give it. I don't think it's a given that everyone should claim, though, particularly since we've already been told that scum have access to fake-claims.

Kyuubey having a recruitment mechanic had crossed my mind

Anyone see this as TMI?

I wasn't even the first one to mention it, but fine, guess fuck me for clarifying that I'd considered this as a plausible role for a scum character I was pretty sure was in this game.

Scum slip?? When and where was this discussed?

...Really? Mag1c mentioned the recruitment mechanic last DP. I responded, saying that Kyuubey having a recruitment mechanic had crossed my mind. That's a discussion, and it wasn't even the end of it.

What's your character?

If enough people want it, I'll give it.

I’m fairly confident Mikal is not Kyubey. The only way it would possibly work would be if there were two mafia members and the other one submitted it on his behalf.

Figure this is a given. Thoth started seeking a sub for Casey at 3:49 PM yesterday. I received the contract offer over 12 hours prior to that. I don't see a world in which there are two mafia members in an 8 player game with a recruitment mechanic to boot.

1) Mag1c is almost certainly originally town. The biggest question is if he’s still town as he would be a prime target.

The focus for now should be on who was originally scum, so this is a concern I'd set aside for a later DP. The Madoka reveal already slotted him into town for me, and with the Kyuubey contract reveal, the only way he could be original scum is if Madoka was given to scum as a fake claim. Highly doubt that.

So I think we have a nice POE: Magic, Mikal, and Whiteflame.

Vader is essentially conf town IMO

I understand being in POE for original scum, but Mag1c and Mikal are both players we agree are the least likely to be original scum, and I don't see how anyone else isn't in POE but they are. I also don't get how you're confirming Vader at this point.

1. I was targeted with a night action

So was I. Discussed this last DP with Mag1c. I figured it was a given that Kyuubey would recruit and, as I pointed out last DP, accepting his contract is what turns basically all of the leading girls' lives into a living hell, and my character especially has been through it as a result. Also, given I'm the only one with theme knowledge this game, I'm far more interested in solving this game, especially since I was proven right that Kyuubey is a given as scum. I declined the offer.

2. Full role and abilities

I'm hitomi, an emessary. I start the game with a few mod-confirmed information: (1) The only anti claim mechanic is if multiple people claimed their character on day 1. This is why I was so adamant about no one claiming or hinting to their role. Magic was outed and I got confirmation that this counts towards anti-claim. Mag1c thought the outing had to do with a secret ability which turned out to be correct. I had a secret ability that was told to me on n1: Anyone who voted for me on day 1 had a change to have their character revealed. This is why magic's character got revealed. I still believe he is town as he has been the most towny player all game. We are now safe to claim character

At least this makes sense of why you were so against character claiming last DP, but I don't understand why you're going ahead with the role claim, much less why Hitomi is the Emissary. I'm not terribly familiar with the role, but you have information on a town-aligned player, correct? Is that player Mag1c?

The person who targeted me with changing alignments most likely was a person strong town reading me or someone PR hunting. The person that matches this most is whiteflame. Here's why: Post # 212 whiteflame stated this: "I don't know what to make of what Kohai's getting at, but worth seeing what he's cooking next DP. Gave away that he has a PR, so that might make for some shenanigans."

I never really hinted to or gave away that I was a PR, but this line is telling that whiteflame has been PR hunting. Casey has been MIA and so I want to look elsewhere as this contract was before casey returned.

A) Based on what everyone's posted as well as my experience, it sounds like everyone was targeted, so the idea that I was somehow singling you out doesn't track.

B) You strongly suggested that you had a PR in post #187:

Fair. Once I reveal my actions this day phase will make sense.

It's not "PR hunting" to say that this statement or anything else you said regarding why we shouldn't character claim implied you had information, i.e. a PR. I wasn't even the only one to point out that you'd given information the rest of us didn't have.

is the DP over?

Midnight CST.

It's late (looks like just under an hour left in the DP) and I'm calling it a night. Last thoughts:

I agree Wryly's responses have been pretty townie.

I don't know what to make of what Kohai's getting at, but worth seeing what he's cooking next DP. Gave away that he has a PR, so that might make for some shenanigans.

I think Kyubey = recruiter of some kind. Maybe cult, maybe a lone mafioso. If cult I would imagine no night kills, if mafioso, I imagine the recruit is 1x.

I'd been considering possible roles for Kyuubey and this one crossed my mind. If true, I can't imagine it's more than 1X, and we'd either be dealing with a 6-1-1 (which might be a little too much swing depending on the TP) situation or a 7-1.

I'll say Yea to the first one, Nay to the second.

Fair enough, I at least understand where you're coming from.

Well, it doesn't really matter anyway. If the three of us can't agree to pursue Casey, which would only get us to L-1 anyway, there's no point in doing it and we might as well just NL. Mag1c's right that there's not a lot to go off of, just means we're focused on results and one less flip DP2.

Unvote

VTNL

Trimming to 48 hours might make sense, though I agree with Mag1c that we might want to keep this one consistent unless everyone buys into the shift.

If Casey dies and flips wolf I wouldn’t be shocked if this was a bus.

I mean... if you think I'd push a bus this early and consistently, more power to you.

If you want to sus me for it, be my guest. We're at almost 2 and a half days out from Casey's last post, and much as I wouldn't call it suspicious, the note Casey left off on seemed off. Neither would be reason enough by itself, but there's not a lot else to go off of.

The DP ending in a NL is fine by me, but I'm not going to pretend there's no value in a flip and I'm getting the distinct impression that scum are hanging back this game.

Yeah... these kinds of slow games have been disappointing, certainly not helping gin up interest. Not much we can do beyond shortening DPs, which might make things more interesting or it just might result in more NLs.

If enough people decide to lynch Casey in absentia, I'd understand why. That's where my vote will stay.

Given that Casey has been MIA for over 48 hours with no explanation, it's frustrating that attention has been focused their way for so much of this DP since it hasn't yielded much beyond thoughts from other players. I was hoping to get something more for behavioral reads, but here we are with a little over 3 hours left in the DP and still no word.

If this ends in an auto-NL, that's fine, just means we're relying a lot on night activity. In case I do perish in the night, I've given a general outline of the set of characters I think are in the game, but I don't want to get too caught up on the "likely" ones this time around, so I'll leave it at that. In terms of theme splits, the obvious one is just antagonists (there are two main ones, one of which I'm sure is here) vs. others. There are two friends that are mainly interesting for the feelings they hide during the plot, though that's a much rougher split beyond their shared interaction with a certain magical girl.

For other splits, keep in mind that some characters in this series can play very different roles depending on where they're at in this season. It's a spoiler, but I'd rather spoil this than leave this to be figured out later because it does get complicated. There is a time loop at play in this series and, at least within certain loops, things go very wrong in very different ways. Some characters are self-destructive, some kill other characters among the leads, some turn into witches (look up "soul gem" and "grief seed" for more information) and wreak havoc. There are strong bonds between certain pairs, and some instances of these crash-outs are shared between a couple. There are two main adults I expect to be here, but I doubt they're a team.

All ideas I plan to revisit once we get a flip/more information.

It’s honestly probably for the best that we VTNL. If the game is 6-2, which makes sense, then we may have to VTNL anyways down the line. Giving scum zero info is very painful to them. They’re basically shooting blind

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. We have a VTNL to use effectively free of charge, best to use it with the greatest number of town night actions in play to reduce interference.

The DP had run long and sparse. Apathy hung thick in the air, a hazy blanket of indecision and ennui. Like sweaty lounging sailors sprawled on a becalmed ship they eyed one another through swollen red lids.

"Ion curr bout this DP no mo," declared Mag1c, snorting hard through his left nostril and then spitting.

You paint quite the picture, love to see it.

I mean I didn't see you sus anyone, or did i miss something? Your reads seemed mostly null/NAI and your Casey VTL seemed like it was just trying to generate activity.

It's based on POE. I don't have any clear scumreads, though if I had to rank ppl based on what I said and how I've seen everyone since, Casey is more of a behavioral outlier. Can't say they're even much of a scumread, but they trend that way.

yall I jus care about this DP anymore

im fine with a no lynch

lowkey wanna yolo Casey

Given how little Casey has posted and the contents of said posts, I get the desire, but it seems a little excessive.

For the people who have a sus pile, can you explain why those players are in your sus pile?

I think I covered that in my reads list. I can elaborate where desired.

Given that we have an odd number of players

I meant even, though I guess it is odd for us to have an even number.

I agree. Actually I think this is the best play

VTNL

Let’s not risk volunteering too much information to trigger any anti claims

Given that we have an odd number of players, the NL is virtually guaranteed at some point, so I think DP1 isn't a bad place to do it.

That being said, I'm not triggering the end of the DP this early. If nothing else, I'm still here to get some behavioral info.

Signing off, gonna be pretty busy tomorrow with my ongoing wrestling match with life upon a cold blood-soaked arena suspended over the black void of nihilism. Which is to say, I have to do plumbing. And I might have to ask my garrulous neighbor for spare pipe fittings at a time when I'm feeling reeeaaally in-person anti-social. Weep for me.

Ugh. Sounds like a lot. Hope your neighbor is forthcoming.

I don't feel like we've made much progress. I'd like to revisit WF's magic/nonmagic proposal or else see a lot more activity from everyone to base some better reads off of.

Might be the best bet at this point, though like I said, if we're going to do it, I think I'd prefer getting those softclaims next DP. It'll leave this DP largely bereft of information, but that might be for the best.

While I'm at it, I might as well add that the day will end in a no-lynch if nobody has the majority of votes. I think that's standard on here, but I never thought to put it in the OP.

Considering we've had a few games where a NL was not an option and plurality lynches have existed, it's appreciated to get that confirmation.

Whiteflame, Casey, and Pie are the names under my microscope.

Seeing a decent amount of consistency here with Casey, Pie and I largely being in everyone's POE. Not sure what makes you positive on Rex, but he's been null to me.

One more thing: I remembered why I didn’t wanna out my setup speculation.

I’m still not gonna out it yet.

You've mentioned something along these lines a couple of times. Not sure what you're getting at, but I'll leave it to you to decide when you want to discuss it.

Thinking of pairings

does white flame / casey make sense?

It seems strange to be discussing any kind of pairing this early. Many pairings are possible. Aside from Mharman, there isn't anyone I'd consider to be likely town at this point. So, yes, I could be paired with Casey based on the information you have at this point. So could most of the players in this game.

Just realized you hadn't been tagged.