Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 8:54 AM (post #87)
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/24/2026 at 7:22 AM (post #82)
Also why would mafia target Pie? His clear scum reads were Vader (1) and Kohai. Unless any of them were mafia, no reason to fear kill Pie unless they knew information
Quite a few scum teams would just kill with the threat of him figuring things out.
Im most dangerous late game, better to get rid of me early
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 10:31 PM (post #71)
Can you clear me so we can move on from this? I'd rather not give all my cards away. Mafia was given only one fake claim of some kind, and I'd rather things stay difficult for them.
I can’t confirm you, but your reaction and role make me read you as Lean Town. I don’t plan on voting you today. It was a half truth to get reaction, which I’d say was a success
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/23/2026 at 10:27 PM (post #67)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 10:34 PM (post #61)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 10:22 PM (post #57)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #50)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)
Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.
that would be me.
And pray tell what you did
I used a doctor ability on you.
Character and justification?
I'm not buying this.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #65)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 11:01 PM (post #63)
As I said earlier the justification and character makes zero sense. I’m never claiming my character as this only helps scum further. We’ve already had too many claims IMO
Can you explain why claiming your character would help scum? You've already role claimed, in what way could your character be worse than claiming your role?
Because scum are only provided with 1 fake role or character claim. THe more character claims we get the more it helps scum narrow the pool
As someone who currently thinks your behaviorally town, man, this isn't a great look. You say that giving away your character claim would be a problem, but you're clearly fine with getting Mag1c's despite him claiming what would theoretically be a role that he could confirm while still alive. Not saying I buy Mag1c's claim either, but this is pretty hypocritical.
+1 here. Behavior doesn’t add up at all. Rules for thee but not for me
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 10:12 PM (post #65)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 11:01 PM (post #63)
As I said earlier the justification and character makes zero sense. I’m never claiming my character as this only helps scum further. We’ve already had too many claims IMO
Can you explain why claiming your character would help scum? You've already role claimed, in what way could your character be worse than claiming your role?
Because scum are only provided with 1 fake role or character claim. THe more character claims we get the more it helps scum narrow the pool
Well if you’re scum, which is likely, you can’t take the fake claim or role. It’s scummy for you to not claim.
Alright, I just knew that someone visited me based on my role, but not who it was or what they did. Not going to state what my role is. It was supposed to make scum stutter a bit if they did visit me, sort of like a reaction test, which imo Mag1c passes.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #57)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #50)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)
Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.
that would be me.
And pray tell what you did
I used a doctor ability on you.
Okay that’s interesting. I’ll buy it. Unless there’s a CC.
Alright I’m here
There’s a reason to do what I’m doing. Need Mag1c to say what he did, and then I’ll reveal everything.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 4:29 PM (post #34)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 8:07 AM (post #20)
Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.
How would you know who visited you and why would that make them scum automatically? You not being dead is a good sign already that it wasn't neccesarily a scum visit, and if you were roleblocked you wouldn't know who visited you. So calling attention to this like that is weird if you are town.
Ill answer this after Mag1c claims what he did
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:19 PM (post #30)
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/23/2026 at 5:53 AM (post #14)
My character is false vacuum decay. It’s a fake a quantum state that is meta stable and because I am false I am Miller
I can’t give you free town cred for this bc if someone else were miller, they’d’ve SOPed by now, meaning mafia knew it was a free thing to claim… but only if someone replaced in.
This is not a scumcase. Just not giving free towncred due to the specific circumstances.
I think he’s town because of something in my PM, unless Bullish is a troll and specifically gave Miller as the fake claim
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 3:10 AM (post #10)
Pie, I want to revisit your slot a little because you were one of the main conversations early in DP1, but I don't think we ever really got a complete picture of where you were at.
Looking back at your pressure on Kohai, what was your actual goal there? Were you mainly trying to get a reaction, test his claim, force activity, or were you genuinely leaning toward him as scum?
I explained this last DP. Force him into a claim. If it’s rock solid, he’s town or he has a partner who’s good at crafting fake claims. At the end though, I scumread him for his claim. The behavior doesn’t make sense with Treestump, and then he refused to character claim.
If you didn't suspect him, at what point did you move away from Kohai as a serious suspect? Was there something specific that changed your mind, or was it more that other people became more interesting? He actually had a decent wagon on him at the end, and even though he was refusing to claim you still chose to go with vader, which I find very interesting.
I preferred Kohai because there was less risk there, but I hammered because we needed a lynch, and I also scumread him
Who are your top two scumreads right now, and what is the strongest piece of evidence against each?
I will reveal this after the person who visited me confesses
Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.
VTL Vader
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 12:17 PM (post #348)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/22/2026 at 11:15 AM (post #346)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 12:10 PM (post #343)
Before we end the phase I really think you should give some sort of soft. You are absolutely the only person besides kiggans who hasn't given any sort of soft, which defeats the purpose of a mass soft. Are you afraid to lock yourself into something?
We shouldn’t have mass softed in the first place. And Kiggans definitely should go first
Why not? You seem pretty pro "getting claims". A soft just locks people in into something they can't back out of without giving away real information.
Claims are solid, softs aren’t, but fine idrc, mine can be good or bad depending on who you ask
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 12:10 PM (post #343)
Before we end the phase I really think you should give some sort of soft. You are absolutely the only person besides kiggans who hasn't given any sort of soft, which defeats the purpose of a mass soft. Are you afraid to lock yourself into something?
We shouldn’t have mass softed in the first place. And Kiggans definitely should go first
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/22/2026 at 12:08 PM (post #341)
Pie moving to unvote essentially secured my fate tbh
Scum team is probably Magic/Kohai. If I was a cop I’d be more in a fit but a roleblocker doesn’t do anything but neg utility anyway and I can make fun of Pie for being wrong
Convince someone here to vote with Kohai and I’ll consider voting Kohai
unvote
Official Vote Count
vader (4/5) - Banana, Thoth, lunatic, Kohai
Kohai (4/5) - Pie, whiteflame, magic, Vader
Not voting: JenKiggans,
This has to be MvM or MvT. High odds at least one scum between Vader and Kohai with wagonomics and interactions
Vader refusing to vote Kohai is extremely concerning. Town Vader would’ve voted Kohai by now vs sticking to his guns on Mag1c
Wagon being stalled between Kohai and Vader? 👀👀
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/22/2026 at 10:12 AM (post #285)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/22/2026 at 10:01 AM (post #258)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #212)
Still townreading you but I'm really not liking your disappearance when you don't really have to defend yourself.
If town doesn’t want to follow me, then tell me what to do. I’ve said 50 times to get Kohai to full claim, and crickets. We’ve been going in circles all DP, just like I said we would.
you’ve gotten your reactions out of Kohai. Is there something specific you suspect there or not?
He’s already admitted his justification doesn’t make sense even though he hasn’t claimed his character. He’s a tree stump, so his paranoia makes no sense
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/22/2026 at 10:40 AM (post #286)
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/22/2026 at 10:27 AM (post #266)
I am a solar flare. My role is a 2x roleblocker. Do with that as you will. Gonna be slammed all day today
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/22/2026 at 10:28 AM (post #267)
The logic was that if a flare was big enough it can fry EMPs causing a blackout
Justification tracks, the role is a common scum role, although town roleblockers have picked up in popularity over the years.
The claim doesn’t really push me away from the behavior.
Keep in mind if Vader is scum, then it means 1) Mafia was specifically given a fake character claim only. 2) The team situation is such that Vader was the preferred option to use the fake claim.
Kohai/Vader would be hilarious. It fits the play too. I don’t think there’s been much interaction between the two
I don’t like either of their claims, though Kohai needs to claim is character ASAP to see if justification makes sense
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/22/2026 at 9:37 AM (post #274)
I won’t claim character or justification. I will however claim tree stump (now you know why I was hesitant to claim). Unfortunately y’all can ML me for the upteenth time but y’all are stuck with me the rest of the game
Why are you hesitant to claim Tree Stump? It’s basically useless
Ya I don’t like the claim from Vader at all. The justification lines up for sure, but 2x Roleblocker could just as easily be the scum role with the Solar Flare as the potential fake character claim.
READS:
Pie - 100% Town
Thoth - Lean Scum - There’s nothing going on with Thoth that I feel comfortable about. First it’s the PM thing. It’s NAI, I don’t see the need to talk about it as town, but as scum, it’s a conditioning argument. If town is primed that Thoth’s PM isn’t reliable, then they will buy stuff that is obviously a slip. Then I’ve asked him 5 times why he’s voting me. Crickets. Just lurks for most of the day, and then just now moves to Vader, where the wind is blowing. Note that I called out Vader first. Just doesn’t feel authentic to me
Vader - Lean Scum - I called this out early on before anyone. Another case of go where the wind blows, but if i remember correctly, this is his scum meta. There haven’t been many independent ideas, just an urge to fit in and prevent isolating himself. It’s classic mafia behavior 101z
Kohai - Null - We need to push him for a full claim. It gives us a boatload of info. If the claim is rock solid, he’s either town, or has a partner who is effective are crafting fake claims ie Mag1c, WF, Luna.
Whiteflame - Null - I don’t think there’s much to go with in terms of WF. The block reads don’t strike me as AI; he would do that as both affiliations. Regardless, at 4 hours left, he’s not a target
Mag1c - Null - There’s things pulling me in both directions with Mag1c. There’s stuff that’s townie, and then there’s stuff that’s scummy. The townie piece is going after Pie and that whole fiasco, as well as some other stuff like pointing out stuff about Vader. Scummy piece is going after JenKiggans immediately after me at a time where he still suspected Kohai. It just seemed odd to me, but right now, I don’t think he needs to be solved
Jen Kiggans - Null - Not much to go with here
Lunatic - Slight Town - As scum, early on, Luna is relatively lowkey. I don’t see him draw attention to himself with this much back and forth with Mag1c. As scum, he would’ve stopped the scuffle long ago to seem like he’s doing stuff but then looks the other way.
Banana - Lean Town - I like the block posts, but I’ll note that it’s NAI for her. I do like the questions she asked me. They were very insightful to me, and it demonstrated she was looking for more information that would help her form reads better. It’s just a unique perspective that I think is pretty challenging for scum to replicate. I also like the mediating between Luna and Mag1c. I felt the same way.
Also, can we plz disable signatures for Mafia games. Its cluttering the DP
Here’s your warning that you’re at L-1, so please full claim.
