ILikePie5

Originally Posted by Banana on 9/22/2026 at 2:40 AM (post #245)

i think both of you are kinda talking past each other at this point lol

magic, i dont think lunatic is saying that changing reads is scummy. i think his issue is just that some of the changes feel bigger than the reasons he was given for them. i dont think thats an unreasonable thing to question

lunatic, i also think youre maybe giving magic less credit than he deserves here. he wasnt just like "i reread pie and decided hes town." he said he was putting too much weight on the previous game and once he got past that he thought pies pressure on kohai could actually make sense as a reaction test

i think the bigger thing for me is that both of you are starting to argue about how the other one is arguing instead of the actual reads lol

lunatic keeps saying magic isnt explaining it enough and magic keeps saying lunatic is being disingenuous or trying to control the conversation. neither of those things really gets us anywhere

from where im sitting, i actually think both of you look more town because of this

right now id probably leave both of you as town and look somewhere else for scum because i dont think this fight is getting us anywhere anymore

+1 with this

It’s all semantics. There are bigger fish to fry, namely Kohai, Vader, and Thoth

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/22/2026 at 2:15 AM (post #240)

dude where are you. I"m starting to lose confidence in my townread on you.Like the second I townread you and the pressure disappears, you just disappear.

Im here and catching up

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 10:15 PM (post #212)

Still townreading you but I'm really not liking your disappearance when you don't really have to defend yourself.

If town doesn’t want to follow me, then tell me what to do. I’ve said 50 times to get Kohai to full claim, and crickets. We’ve been going in circles all DP, just like I said we would.

Alright folks, 4 hours left, and where are we? Let me catch up, but I suspect…no where

Originally Posted by JenKiggans2026 on 9/21/2026 at 5:06 PM (post #171)

Impressive detecting. I've always been really good at mafia irl but this being my first time playing it online it's proving to be difficult because I can't watch people's posture, follow their eyes, listen to their tone, etc. I might be a useless member of this round because I'm still trying to get used to it, sorry

Welcome - Are you aware of all the different roles and mechanics?

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 1:13 PM (post #156)

Well with that logic we wouldn’t ask for claims at all right? No idea is that let’s say he is scum, he uses the fake character claim. He still has to provide justification and the fake role. Thats where they get caught.

wait, how do you know it's a fake character claim?

Scum slip?

It was a hypothetical. It could be the other way around as well. You still need a justification

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 12:53 PM (post #148)

Originally Posted by Bullish on 9/21/2026 at 3:08 AM (post #126)

Official Vote Count

Pie (3/5) - Kohai, Thoth, magic

Kohai (1/5) - Pie

Not voting: Banana, JenKiggans, lunatic, Vader, whiteflame

DP1 ends 09/22 14:00 EST

DP ENDS IN SEVEN MINUTES

it ends tomorrow bruh

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 12:43 PM (post #146)

Thoth - solid town

I don't think scum is likely to claim that their role contradicts the OP. Possible for town cred but it's drawing a lot of attention so it's hard for me to call Thoth scum here. Only argument is opportunism - that he voted Pie bc Kohai did. But that's not a given. I can see why town would sus Pie's vote on Kohai, so I can't blame him for it. That being said...

Pie - solid town

So, enters the DP immedately pressuring Kohai. Now that could be him distancing Kohai, or just looking to get a mislynch. His stated reasons are that Kohai folds under pressure and that town needs to generate activity. Seems like an RVS vote, maybe looking to get his claim just to nail him down bc he can be mislynch bait, or reaction testing, or all of the above. #19 #32 #72 #73 all seem consistent in that regard. When pressured, he does his strategy of making sure he claims at L-1 to ensure at least two townies want his claim... it's good for info.

I think Pie can fake all of this. But the consistency looks nice and something that can be faked is not inherently scummy; I'm realizing that I started out with the assumption of scum Pie when I shouldn't have. And nothing really strikes as off upon rereading him. So I'm gonna flip my read and go town on Pie.

Unvote

Kohai - tossup

Enters the DP, immediately on the defensive, challenging Pie. Voting off Pie voting him. For Kohai idt the OMGUS is scummy in this situation. Not much else to go off of. He's disappeared, but he's got a holiday today, and late yesterday.

Only thing that feels off is #51. LIke it could be preparing a bad claim/covering for one. Mafia typically has an incentive to have a rational claim, making sure it's air tight. Warnings like that are from players who don't have the strongest fake claiming. I can see Kohai fitting in that camp. But it's no guarantee. I can see Kohai actually just having a stretched justification, given what Thoth has softed.

I continue this in a second but I'm locking in and now I think we should move on from Pie and Kohai. Feels like a dead end.

Idk who to pressure rn.

Pie, and Thoth, what are your thoughts?

Nail Kohai and then go for the wishy washy people ie Vader

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 12:01 PM (post #138)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/21/2026 at 11:19 AM (post #134)

If you want my full claim, just verbally say it, no need to vote me. I don’t want a mishammer.

do it so we can move on and least get one claim down... after that I might still want to look at kohai but i'm not liking lunatic's and whiteflame's approaches

Youre already on my wagon

If you want my full claim, just verbally say it, no need to vote me. I don’t want a mishammer.

Originally Posted by Banana on 9/21/2026 at 1:45 AM (post #123)

is kohai still just a pressure vote? if not what post by him made u think he was mafia?

Purely a pressure vote. He cracks under pressure as scum historically. I was just in a game with him too.

how useful even is a claim here from him when we know that mafia have a likely fake claim based on the op?

Well with that logic we wouldn’t ask for claims at all right? No idea is that let’s say he is scum, he uses the fake character claim. He still has to provide justification and the fake role. Thats where they get caught.

when magic suspected both you and kohai why did you tell him to vote kohai rather than address his suspicion of you?

His suspicion was that we were bussing, in that scenario it doesn’t make a difference who he pursues. Thats addressing the suspicion.

assuming kohai is town, who is most likely exploiting your push?

This early? Thoth. Potentially Vader.

outside of kohai, can you give one mafia read and one town read based on the content of the game?

Hmm this is a new one. Thoth/Vader as scum and town as Mag1c.

what about your push on kohai right now sets you apart as town from other pushes, like the one on thoth in the previous game? in otherwords, why is this push AI when we now know the one on thoth last game was scum motivated?

I never said it’s AI. It’s NAI. I have done this as both affiliations. Recency bias says it’s scum motivated, but if you look historically, I’ve pushed quite a bit of people early on. Kohai’s vote was literally OMGUS and idek why Thoth is voting me lol. Mag1c I understand, cause hes always paranoid with me.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/21/2026 at 1:06 AM (post #121)

Could you put Pie at L-1?

Whats your issue with me?

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/21/2026 at 12:29 AM (post #117)

I see a few posts from Kohai that vibes well, some that feel bad. Same with Pie. Screw it.

VTL Pie

putting Pie at L-2 just to get a claim out of someone this DP

and then I want to grab Kohai’s claim right after

I’ll claim at L-1 as usual, verbal is fine, but just note that I’m always going to be in POE after and scum is going to rely on the Pie paranoia wagons

Originally Posted by Vader on 9/20/2026 at 8:42 PM (post #97)

If we had more posts this DP I actually could see Kohai being a bit of an FoS because it seems like is some filler posts with no true depth, but can't read much into with 97 posts and 3/4 of the post truly not being much

Any reason why you’re looking at Kohai specifically vs someone like Thoth, who has arguably had even more filler?

Originally Posted by Vader on 9/20/2026 at 8:33 PM (post #93)

I do not like Pie's push on Kohai. Seems way to forced and seems to be trying to draw a mislynch opportunity

It’s a reaction to last game where we as scum took advantage of town not doing anything to escape a lynch. Kohai buckles under hard pressure. It’s a known fact

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/20/2026 at 8:12 PM (post #91)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/20/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #87)

Also, upon re-reading my PM, I just realized that it is factually incorrect.

The PM itself? Might want to touch base with Bullish about that.

Yes, it's factually incorrect per my existing understanding and per a quick search. I know what Bullish confused it with, though, and there's no point arguing about it since the justification still makes sense.

He probably used AI to create the PM

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/20/2026 at 8:44 AM (post #66)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/19/2026 at 9:43 PM (post #54)

If I were to suspect two players based on what I’ve seen so far, it would be Pie + Kohai again

Maybe. Pie insta voting him could be a formed behavior out of being caught not doing that to him last game.

Like I said, I’m more than happy to be the bad guy if we actually do shit. I think we only have like 27 hours left.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/20/2026 at 11:44 AM (post #76)

Yeah. There's zero chance pie is town here.

Anyway I'm gonna get ready for yom kippur

So you’re going to disappear?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/20/2026 at 9:40 AM (post #71)

Speaking of pie. Isn’t it funny how he seems to have disappeared from the thread?

I have a life on Saturday nights?

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/19/2026 at 10:43 PM (post #54)

If I were to suspect two players based on what I’ve seen so far, it would be Pie + Kohai again

Great, vote Kohai then lol

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/19/2026 at 8:30 PM (post #44)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/19/2026 at 7:59 PM (post #39)

Vote Kohai plz. Otherwise it’s going to be CFD and town may not get a lynch on scum like last game lol

The last game? Where you were doing this on day 1 and flipped scum? That last game?

Yes, exactly like that lol. We won cause town was inactive and literally waited till last minute. Why do you seem to be against that?

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/19/2026 at 8:26 PM (post #41)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/19/2026 at 8:59 PM (post #39)

Vote Kohai plz. Otherwise it’s going to be CFD and town may not get a lynch on scum like last game lol

Dude, I don’t get why you’re pushing this hard for this, especially given the DP extension.

Gotta generate the activity early on. We’ve been sitting on our asses early on. If I have to be the bad guy to do that, that’s fine

Vote Kohai plz. Otherwise it’s going to be CFD and town may not get a lynch on scum like last game lol

We can do this the easy way or the hard way

Are you going to elaborate about what’s wrong or are you just being autistic?

Is Jen Kiggans really Disc?

VTL: Kohai

Full claim dawg

/in

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/5/2026 at 3:50 PM (post #28)

Should I have claimed Cop?

It was obvious even if you didnt

Second where you rightfully belong