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Would Kohai claim that role as Mafia? “This is how easy it is to lynch me”. Hmm it is a rather Towny claim but I do wonder if he would intentionally sabotage himself as Mafia by forcing himself into a claim.

Its NAI

Wait so @Kohai claims to be a role that requires one less vote to lynch at all times except MyLo/LyLo?

Yep

Ronnie O’Sullivan is a snooker player. I was trolling :D

You and I are going to get along really well lol

Ronnie is a snooker player lol

I buy the character claim. There is no way the double doink isn’t in the game

Oh wait “Mafia either got a fake character OR a fake role” so actually role claiming could be useful, maybe, to catch some Mafia.

Which probably I doubt there are more than 2 Mafia. 7v2 sounds reasonable and balanced, 6v3 less so, although it’s I guess not out of the question so we could technically be at MyLo right now.

SOP is that we selectively get full claims from people we find scummy. At most 1-2 this DP. There are deviations sometimes obviously.

Wait is ‘Hated’ a role? I’m lost.

Hated Townie is a role. They take one less vote than majority to lynch. Per Kohai it deactivates at MYLO/LYLO

Hmm. We doing favour claiming lol?

I claim... Ronnie O’Sullivan.

Lol

VTL Shining

I know you played forum mafia before but how familiar are you with rules, roles, mechanics, etc?

SOP Claim Hated

I’m Matt Eberflus. I’m hated because I made a really awful call that caused the Bears to lose and am universally hated by the Browns fan in addition to being fired mid season 

Disables in MyLo/LyLo

As a Cowboys fan, I agree. You’re our default lynch if we have no better options, so I suggest you scum hunt

Which site lol

You were gonna sub in for…wait for it…Thoth

We knew either Luna or Wryly were more likely to be that investigative role. We just took the wrong 50/50, but it was a conservative 50/50.

In what world is a Dreamer a confirmable role?

Yes setups are usually hidden here

Lol this is why you need to be more active and say stuff

And it absolutely was your 'fault' that you claimed last, that was a choice which you made. Who else's fault would it be?!

I claimed as soon as I woke up lmao. I can’t help it that yall claimed before me.

Your problem was that it wasn’t my fault that I claimed last. And it’s an objective fact that everyone except you scumread Shining DP2. So that doesn’t work for you either. Objectively your argument there was bad

So I suppose it's Barry as Ninja and Monroe as some manipulative role, right?

Barry was a JOAT with a Ninja, Strongman, Janitor.

Monroe was a Roleblocker

I think inactivity really hurt town this game. Me the running the game is truly NAI. I’ve been town where I’ve led like 3 mislynches before lol

Good lord that was excruciatingly painful

Alright. I have read both cases up to this point and to be quite honest, it is still a 50/50 choice for me up to this point. I can see either side being scum. Both defenses have been solid to this point. If I am wrong, well I guess my streak of guessing scum correct comes to an end, but I just think that Wryly had some suspicions of Pie in DP2 a lot more and once Rex reminded of the message, they backed off of this.

So you’re going to go with the gaslighting aspect as well? Wryly only suspected me because of a misunderstanding. Go read her posts. At this point, if you’re town, you’re just ignoring full blown events of what happened in DP2

I think looking at Wryly's behavior, they were one of the main aggressors of Pie so far.

Where lmfao. This is just a pure lie. Wryly admitted she misread what I had said after I clarified.

I also think Pie's argument on Ceru and others are much weaker than I think what Rex has pointed out so far.

What are you even saying lmao? This makes zero sense.

Pie's damning vote is concering and I understand that he denies it a lot and says we need to get a lynch, but there was no real context and he hated voting Kohai, but had no trouble doing so.

And REF, without any reads whatsoever was more than okay lynching either if Kohai and Ceru and literally shows up last minute just to vote lmao. This is just laughable.

I also just think his logic is wrong about Ceru and can be applied to him. He literally could have asked the same thing about Hider as well in this game and finding that out assumed a Tracker was in.

Ask about what? This makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever.

He wanted to push Ceru so hard to use him as a filler in order to get him to the MYLO, but with the Tracker being targetted and the quick claim, he shifts his focus and goes OMGUS because Rex targetted him, setting up a 1v1 situation.

????????

At the end of the day, I just don't think I fully trust Pie to this point. I think he is constantly scum reading, then pivoting on a bandwagon the last minute of the game. It just doesn't feel genuine. He hard pushed Ceru then pivoted to Kohai, and then did the same thing to Shining as well.

I pushed Ceru as a policy lynch. And there weren’t enough votes. So I switched to Kohai who I ALSO SCUMREAD. There is zero inconsistency here. And how did I pivot from Shining lol. I just wanted him to participate and be able to read him. You were the one that started the Shining wagon.

I also do tend to think that Rex has a strategy of hard town reading someone as his scum mate, but I don't see that here. Also, Rex softed this in DP2 in this. I don't think he takes a risk like that unless scum are given a role like that, and looking at balance, I think his makes a bit more sense

VTL PIE

What balance are you talking about?

If we lose the game, I will take some blame for being the L-1, but I think Wryly's interactions with Pie and I think Rex's hard push to defend make me just think this is lazy town. I also do know he hard pushed Kohai early as well. I thought about this for the whole day today.

REF PUSHED KOHAI EARLY????!!??

REF HARD DEFENDED SHINING??!!??!!

What world are you living? He didn’t say a word about Kohai in DP1. And he was AWOL in DP2. Did not even try to stop the wagon at its high. At this point there’s just no way you’re town lmao.

This entire post is a massive lie

Welcome! I love your username. Close to Morgarath

I'll start with the end of DP1.#211. Pie 211 initially jumps to Ceru and says "he would rather not vote for Kohai" and even claims he always sees Kohai as suspicious. Not even 15 posts later, Pie goes directly to starting the Kohai train without any rhyme or reason. In fact, the only person was Luna, and his vote was useless and filler. Pie sees that the opportunity could be taken and leads the charge.

I’ve explained this. In a likely 7-2 game, we need to lynch period. We cannot afford to waste a lynch. And it wasn’t just Luna on it. Ceru was on the wagon too. That was the whole point of switching to get a lynch off. And it shouldn’t surprise you that I would be willing to lynch someone who I scumread.

The damning thing with Rex is now that he sort of buddies off Pie to get the easy mislynch despite being AWOL for 3/4 of the DP as well.

And he’s crying wolf now. He happily came out of the woodworks to vote for Kohai. Zero read on him whatsoever. He blames me for the Kohai lynch. I at least had a behavioral reason.

And now he has an issue on the lynch on Shining, which you started, and we all gave reasoning for. He had ample opportunities to stop both lynches if he wanted. He’s been quiet DP1 and DP2, and comes guns ablazing only when it’s LYLO.

We know that Shining's vote was town. Pie was very vocal about not wanting to lynch, but I think he sees the opportunity to get a mislynch with Luna's vote and sees if he can take advantage by getting 2 town on it because they want to force a lynch. 

Ceru was on Kohai too.

The second thing is claims.

Rex's claim is arguably the most interesting. Because taking out Luna would take away essentially all of our theme analysis for this show, so he can claim a character like NoHo Hank and get away with it, despite the character going against my character, which is a town character. I also find it weird that Wryly did not mention anything of being in a chat during Dp2. This definetly does not confirm them, but at least we know they had that role.

Role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation. With hindsight at 20/20 Kohai would’ve been the lynch even if he lived. Dreamer is not confirmable by any means. As for character, don’t forget that scum had 2 opportunities to ask about characters/roles

Pie's role is even more damning because this claim comes IMMEDIATELY after the Tracker is dead. We already know Shining was a JK, which acts as protective / RB from what I know. 

When did you expect me to claim? I claimed as soon as I could. Hider is not a direct CC of JK. It’s a semi protective.

I just really am at a rock and a hardplace

REF’s only argument is that Pie cause both mislynches. He was a willing participant of the first one without any sort of read. Just a last minute vote. And he did nothing to stop the Shining lynch. He was inactive for at least the last 24 hours of that DP. Not even one post saying this wagon is stupid. He just lets it happen and then now is like “y’all are all retards.”

The bottom line here is fine. If you think I led town to their graves, fine. But that doesn’t mean I am scum.

It’s really rich coming from someone who was inactive for 97% of DP1 and 90% of DP2 that Pie is scum because he was the only one active and trying to scum hunt. Was I wrong? Clearly I was. That doesn’t mean I’m scum. This game is virtually identical to the one game where Luna and Mikal were scum. I led multiple lynches that turned out to be mislynches. And funny enough, Luna was relatively inactive and Mikal was completely inactive. They let it happen. They sat there and did nothing.

This is literally the exact same thing. REF has done nothing this entire game. He was completely fine with letting me lead the town. So it’s really really fascinating that he’s blaming me for leading town to their graves while he sat there and did nothing.

Did not mean to post that 3 times lol

Wanted to go over how much Pie misrepresented DP2.

So Earth immediately puts Pie on his scumread list.

Lol, it’s a list of…3 people.

Pie then puts pressure on him.

That’s a convenient way of putting. Whoever is reading this. I urge you to go back and read DP1 and read what I say about Shining. I force him to do stuff to generate a read on him because otherwise he is impossible to read and is inactive. Which is basically what he was DP1.

Pie wigs out about Shining's scum read of him. For the rest of the DP Pie is on his ass, first for reads then for his claim.

Yes, again. Like I said. The only way to read Shining is to force him to participate. You also conveniently left out that I wanted Thoth to full claim first because he was inactive himself.

Supas original scum read is me, not Shining.

Over the course of the next few hours, with Pie guiding discussion, the lynch conversation dwindled to a group which includes Earth. Supa, who is busy, drops in and places a cursory vote on him after Thoth character clas the titular character.

”Pie guiding the discussion.” Lmfao where the fuck were you? You could’ve just as easily participated, but you were in the shadows pretty much the entire time until you have to leave your hole today.

This is what Pie calls Supa 'driving' the wagon. Supa is mostly AWOL from this point on, as am I. Pie is the dude who first scum read and put Earth under the microscope. He's the dude who was driving the lynch after Supa just dropped a vote (not even the first vote, as Pie had voted and unvoted him twice at this point).

Why the misrepresentation?

See this is what I mean by gaslighting. Nowhere did I ever say that I scumread Shining. You can go read it. Asking for a claim does not mean scumreading lol. I’ve always maintained that Shining is hard to read for me

And you can go back into my town games and see exactly that I purposely vote Shining and ask him questions to get him to participate so that I can develop a read on him. It doesn’t mean I necessarily scumread him. I started pushing him heavily when he revealed that he jailkept me and now scumread me. And when Ceru asked why Shining didn’t JK Ceru, it further proved that Shining was scum.

REF also conveniently leaves out that Vader left an ultimatum that he was voting for Shining because of his role and there were…you guessed it…crickets from REF for the entire DP.

A tip for catching scum Pie: he uses a tactic that I call 'conversation pruning'. He replies prolifically to people's posts, but only to their weakest arguments, ommitting their strongest points. People reply to him again, get put on the defense, and the whole discussion is framed around their weakest points from then on out as the strongest ones fade from the public debate.

Would definitely like to know what I’m missing. It’s a chore trying to get over all your gaslighting. Especially now that you have all the time in the world to respond to me.

Look at the points hes ignored. If he and Thoth are both town, why is Thoth not voting for me?

I don’t know why Thoth is voting for you. You can ask that Thoth question. But while we’re on this topic, why isn’t Vader voting for me?

Why did he pretend that Earth roleblocking him should have proved that he 'couldn't commit the nightkill' and couldn't be scum, as if there aren't TWO scum? If a point does not fit Pie's narrative, he quietly drops it.

Oh wow even more gaslighting. Ironically, this actually helps my case. It means that I didn’t execute the NK on NP1. That’s just a cold hard fact. That brings the odds of me being scum down compared to you.

Wanted to go over how much Pie misrepresented DP2.

So Earth immediately puts Pie on his scumread list.

Lol, it’s a list of…3 people.

Pie then puts pressure on him.

That’s a convenient way of putting. Whoever is reading this. I urge you to go back and read DP1 and read what I say about Shining. I force him to do stuff to generate a read on him because otherwise he is impossible to read and is inactive. Which is basically what he was DP1.

Pie wigs out about Shining's scum read of him. For the rest of the DP Pie is on his ass, first for reads then for his claim.

Yes, again. Like I said. The only way to read Shining is to force him to participate. You also conveniently left out that I wanted Thoth to full claim first because he was inactive himself.

Supas original scum read is me, not Shining.

Over the course of the next few hours, with Pie guiding discussion, the lynch conversation dwindled to a group which includes Earth. Supa, who is busy, drops in and places a cursory vote on him after Thoth character clas the titular character.

”Pie guiding the discussion.” Lmfao where the fuck were you? You could’ve just as easily participated, but you were in the shadows pretty much the entire time until you have to leave your hole today.

This is what Pie calls Supa 'driving' the wagon. Supa is mostly AWOL from this point on, as am I. Pie is the dude who first scum read and put Earth under the microscope. He's the dude who was driving the lynch after Supa just dropped a vote (not even the first vote, as Pie had voted and unvoted him twice at this point).

Why the misrepresentation?

See this is what I mean by gaslighting. Nowhere did I ever say that I scumread Shining. You can go read it. Asking for a claim does not mean scumreading lol. I’ve always maintained that Shining is hard to read for me

And you can go back into my town games and see exactly that I purposely vote Shining and ask him questions to get him to participate so that I can develop a read on him. It doesn’t mean I necessarily scumread him. I started pushing him heavily when he revealed that he jailkept me and now scumread me. And when Ceru asked why Shining didn’t JK Ceru, it further proved that Shining was scum.

REF also conveniently leaves out that Vader left an ultimatum that he was voting for Shining because of his role and there were…you guessed it…crickets from REF for the entire DP.

A tip for catching scum Pie: he uses a tactic that I call 'conversation pruning'. He replies prolifically to people's posts, but only to their weakest arguments, ommitting their strongest points. People reply to him again, get put on the defense, and the whole discussion is framed around their weakest points from then on out as the strongest ones fade from the public debate.

Would definitely like to know what I’m missing. It’s a chore trying to get over all your gaslighting. Especially now that you have all the time in the world to respond to me.

Look at the points hes ignored. If he and Thoth are both town, why is Thoth not voting for me?

I don’t know why Thoth is voting for you. You can ask that Thoth question. But while we’re on this topic, why isn’t Vader voting for me?

Why did he pretend that Earth roleblocking him should have proved that he 'couldn't commit the nightkill' and couldn't be scum, as if there aren't TWO scum? If a point does not fit Pie's narrative, he quietly drops it.

Oh wow even more gaslighting. Ironically, this actually helps my case. It means that I didn’t execute the NK on NP1. That’s just a cold hard fact. That brings the odds of me being scum down compared to you.

Wanted to go over how much Pie misrepresented DP2.

So Earth immediately puts Pie on his scumread list.

Lol, it’s a list of…3 people.

Pie then puts pressure on him.

That’s a convenient way of putting. Whoever is reading this. I urge you to go back and read DP1 and read what I say about Shining. I force him to do stuff to generate a read on him because otherwise he is impossible to read and is inactive. Which is basically what he was DP1.

Pie wigs out about Shining's scum read of him. For the rest of the DP Pie is on his ass, first for reads then for his claim.

Yes, again. Like I said. The only way to read Shining is to force him to participate. You also conveniently left out that I wanted Thoth to full claim first because he was inactive himself.

Supas original scum read is me, not Shining.

Over the course of the next few hours, with Pie guiding discussion, the lynch conversation dwindled to a group which includes Earth. Supa, who is busy, drops in and places a cursory vote on him after Thoth character clas the titular character.

”Pie guiding the discussion.” Lmfao where the fuck were you? You could’ve just as easily participated, but you were in the shadows pretty much the entire time until you have to leave your hole today.

This is what Pie calls Supa 'driving' the wagon. Supa is mostly AWOL from this point on, as am I. Pie is the dude who first scum read and put Earth under the microscope. He's the dude who was driving the lynch after Supa just dropped a vote (not even the first vote, as Pie had voted and unvoted him twice at this point).

Why the misrepresentation?

See this is what I mean by gaslighting. Nowhere did I ever say that I scumread Shining. You can go read it. Asking for a claim does not mean scumreading lol. I’ve always maintained that Shining is hard to read for me

And you can go back into my town games and see exactly that I purposely vote Shining and ask him questions to get him to participate so that I can develop a read on him. It doesn’t mean I necessarily scumread him. I started pushing him heavily when he revealed that he jailkept me and now scumread me. And when Ceru asked why Shining didn’t JK Ceru, it further proved that Shining was scum.

REF also conveniently leaves out that Vader left an ultimatum that he was voting for Shining because of his role and there were…you guessed it…crickets from REF for the entire DP.

A tip for catching scum Pie: he uses a tactic that I call 'conversation pruning'. He replies prolifically to people's posts, but only to their weakest arguments, ommitting their strongest points. People reply to him again, get put on the defense, and the whole discussion is framed around their weakest points from then on out as the strongest ones fade from the public debate.

Would definitely like to know what I’m missing. It’s a chore trying to get over all your gaslighting. Especially now that you have all the time in the world to respond to me.

Look at the points hes ignored. If he and Thoth are both town, why is Thoth not voting for me?

I don’t know why Thoth is voting for you. You can ask that Thoth question. But while we’re on this topic, why isn’t Vader voting for me?

Why did he pretend that Earth roleblocking him should have proved that he 'couldn't commit the nightkill' and couldn't be scum, as if there aren't TWO scum? If a point does not fit Pie's narrative, he quietly drops it.

Oh wow even more gaslighting. Ironically, this actually helps my case. It means that I didn’t execute the NK on NP1. That’s just a cold hard fact. That brings the odds of me being scum down compared to you.