Lunatic

Can you replace Vader if he doesn’t show up in like 5 hours. Time delay is a stupid tactic

Not sure with who, because it was hard enough to hit 9 players as is, and for reasons I cannot discuss I cannot replace dead players into this game. I will ping him again though.

Dead players:

Thoth: You are the Facehugger, from all the movie franchises and the T.V. Show, a parasitic creature that latches onto the faces of your victims and implants an embryo down its victims throat that will later burst from your victims chest and evolve into a fully fledged xenomorph. While you are on your victims face, they are generally incapacitated temporarily. A xenomorph will not attack someone who is impregnated by face hugger, buying the victim of this unfortunate event slightly more time than usual. You are the apportioner. If the player you target would normally die that night, their death will be extended to the following night instead. You win with the town.

Casey_Risk- You are Dr. Mason Wren, from "Alien: Resurrection". You are the head scientist onboard the Auriga. You are viewed as particularly immoral even among the scientists of United Military Systems. You take sadistic pleasure in your work. After 10 years, you succeeded in your goal of cloning Ellen Ripley, who would incubate a Xenomorph Queen. You used the newborn Queen to produce more Xenomorphs and betrayed everyone when they got loose. Though you didn't survive in the end, you are remembered for your efforts to convert fellow humans into fodder to recreate the Xenomorph species. You are thus the 1x Yakuza. On any night, you can choose to target a player and sacrifice yourself in order to convert that player to the mafia team. This can only be done in place of the mafia faction night kill. You win with the mafia.

Living Players:

1- iLikePie5

2- Whiteflame

3- Mikal

4- RexFavilla

5- Vader

6- David

7- Wryly

With 7 players alive it take 4 votes to lynch. Day phase ends in 72 hours or on September 10th @ 4:30PM CST.

Vote Count:

Thoth- 5/5- RexFavilla, Pie, kohai, whiteflame, mikal

Kohai- 1/5- Thoth

Thoth was lynched! He was innocent! Night actions in 48 hours!

Vote Count:

Thoth- 2/5- RexFavilla, kohai

Vader- 1/5- Kohai

Wryly- 1/5- Thoth

https://youtu.be/gJsYXHCJD54?si=Lx0Nt86kBi69rf-u

Vote Count:

Thoth- 1/5- RexFavilla

Vader- 1/5- Kohai

Vote Count:

Thoth- 2/5- RexFavilla, Wryly

Vader- 1/5- Kohai

Vote Count:

Thoth- 1/5- RexFavilla

Vader- 1/5- Kohai

You're sorry that you forgot to mention that it's included, or you're sorry that it is canon?

I apologize for not mentioning it being part of the game in the OP, quickly posted it from mobile, knew there was bound to be a mistake or two.

romulus is included, sorry it is also canon

Welcome to Alien mafia! This game will follow all canon material of the Alien movies including Alien 1-3, resurrection, Prometheus, covenant, and alien earth. Alien vs predator is not technically canon and therefore not included. There is a theme split, it’s probably one of my more challenging theme splits though, it it gets figured out I will be pleasantly surprised. Mafia know the theme split but I have not given them fake claims since there is so many available characters across the many movies and shows included in this theme. As usual I won’t answer questions publicly and only about your own role or flipped roles, otherwise I won’t answer about hypothetical roles. Since I am starting this late at night I won’t start the day phase timer until tomorrow at 10am est to give every one a chance to read their pms and post. I will warn in advance that this is a swingy game. I could see an argument for both sides being over powered. Let’s see how this plays out. Good luck and have fun!

Playerlist:

1- iLikePie5

2- Whiteflame

3- Thoth

4- Mikal

5- RexFavilla

6- Vader

7- David

8- Casey

9- Wryly

With 9 players it takes 5 votes to hit majority.

Game will start either late tonight after my concert or tomorrow morning. If it starts late I won’t start the timer until tomorrow

1- iLikePie5- Alien

2- Whiteflame- Alien

3- Thoth- Gen Z Slang

4- Mikal- Gen z slang

5- rex- Alien

6- Vader- Genz

7- Kohai- Genz

8- Casey- Alien

9- Wryly- Alien

alien wins 5-4, role pms out soon

No one expects you too, plus you are doing fine, way better than most who start out.

How will you break a tie in votes?

In that case I would just choose alien since I've done the most work on that one

THEN WHY ARENT YOU SIGNING UP REEE *smashes keyboard*

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/sign-ups/posts/v/choose-a-theme---mafia-sign-ups

1- iLikePie5- Alien

2- Whiteflame- Alien

3- Thoth- Gen Z Slang

4- Mikal- Gen z slang

5- rex- Alien

6- Vader- Genz

7- Kohai- Genz

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9-

You playing?

1- iLikePie5- Alien

2- Whiteflame- Alien

3- Thoth- Gen Z Slang

4- Mikal1- gen z skang

5- rex- alien

6- Vader- Genz

7- Kohai- Genz

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1. Why is it bad for a doctor to waive NP1? I know people scumread it but why. What i looked up seemed to indicate doctors should play conservatively.

by playing conservatively I’m sure it means not outright claiming to give away your role. Generally doctors are kind of town confirmed you weren’t in this one mainly due to dreamer results.

but if you have an every night role you should use it, even if you think your wrong. In the off chance you protect correctly and stop the night kill you 1. Have a high chance at catching scum if there was a watcher or tracker who also saw the visit, 2 extend the game for town if you correctly protect a kill, basically making up for a mislynch. Mafia getting a kill protected against is usually devastating to them.

2. Why didn't anyone ask Lunatic if he was a 1x or 2x dreamer? RT even used his Asceticizer on Lunatic NP2, I assume to protect him if he had a second dream to spend? 

rex did ask, I think a lot of people just glossed over it and my subsequent answer.

I thought my DP4 arguments concerning Thoth's read of a Magic self-visit would persuade you. Why didn't they and what could I have done to make them more persuasive

the mharman self visit was a big reason I saw Thoth as town. And it was like the main reason I lynched mharman in the first place. I chalked up the self visit to pie having odd mechanics about how roles and visits work, but generally understood that mafia tend to self visit more than town. Mharmans excuse for showing up on a mirror maker was so absurd that it kind of town confirmed Thoth to me, and if there was a bus going on it looked more to me like he was trying to bus you then Thoth.

I would have slept on it at least.

i work nights. All that would have resulted in is me talking to myself and probably just seeing the same conclusion anyway. I had already done a lot of considering about my decision in the night phase previous. My schedule sucks so I am sleeping during a lot of the times people are awake and discussing anyways, and I’m up and active when yall are dead to the world. I wanted to ge my decision in before pie went to bed so I wouldn’t stall the game another 24 hours based on sleep schedules. Unfortunately I don’t see myself making another choice no matter how long I had waited. Thoth was town confirmed to me since his np1 result and the confusion around mharmans self visit was 90% of the reason I even voted mharman in the first place.

GGs scum team.

sorry I was wrong town, but can’t get it right all the time. Did my best.

I focused on a ton of details. That they were the wrong ones or that there was things I don’t know about shows that I am part of an uninformed majority. Spent hours going over logic so I definitely didn’t rush. I had my mind made up since dp3 about wryly so waiting arbitrarily wouldn’t have done much.

The ones we have played together? All one of them?

I thought you were in retro too i guess not.

I'm not sure I understand this.

basicslly speculation on why I was the night kill instead of Rex, I had figured that Rex would have been killed last night and even mentioned it to pie but I was hoping it would have been me because Rex was technically more confirmed than me. It ended up not even being an issue no one tried to spin me as scum in the end really.

bump

Well... that's frustrating. That claim that Thoth saw a self-visit from Mharman absolutely should have given him away. There's no world in which that happens or someone fakes him seeing that. Wryly was spot-on with that analysis.

I don't understand that logic, It was discussed numerous times that self visiting roles are often scummy. Pie said the same thing so I assume your parroting that from him.

But I don't know how pie would or wouldnt have processed that.

no fvcking way

I am voting wryly here. I will provide reasons both mechanically and behaviorally for why I am doing this.

Mechanically:

1- One of the main reasons I lynched mharman was because of the self visit thoth had on him from np1. The only way magic could explain that away was with some bull sh1t mirror maker role. On top of that, his plan was to wryly, and at this point magic had to have known he was pretty screwed. Best case scenario if we somehow believe him, lynch wryly and she's scum, he gets town cred riding into lylo. Worst case scenario he gets lynched, and wryly gets town cred going into lylo. Rex saved the day by visiting me last day phase, because I would have been a game winning mislynch target otherwise. Okay so "what if thoth and mharman were sum"? What would have been the game plan? To bus mharman early? Why? When he revealed the results on mharman there was no reason to do this. Also a self visit, while incriminating isn't necessarily grounds to prove a "bus". The amount of psychology involved here to substantiate a some scum ploy at work here is beyond imagining for me.

2- Night actions don't make sense. Even if we give wryly noob passes for np1 and 2, np3 literally makes no sense mechanically. If she protected Rex, why is he dead? Even if he targeted scum (which he couldn't have because he was 2x, unless he lied about one of his earlier visits and forfeited instead) the doctor protect should have saved him. The strong man is dead. So the only explanation for why her doctor save didn't go through is if she was roleblocked. But she claims she didn't receive any message indicating her action didn't go through. I asked pie if a person with a visiting role would receive a message telling them they were roleblocked or not, and he said he could answer that since a roleblocker was already flipped, and he said yes he would. So I don't see any other explanation for why rex would be dead other than she was lying. Also why would she have targeted rex? There is actually a lot of good reason to have targeted rex, but not from a new players POV. If she thought I was town confirmed like she said she did last phase, she should have known I was a likely target, and I think would normally have protected me if she were actually town. I knew that rex would die though, because mharman was smart enough to have directed that, knowing that if I die, it confirms my results and proves rex is town. Rex has the ability to prevent a kill which can confirm him especially with a town doctor alive (if she was actually a town doctor). To shut that narrative down scum would have HAD to have killed rex, and I think mharman is one of the few people alive that is smart enough to have pieced that together. It explains the doctor protection though.

3- Finally Balance. Balance with a tracker makes far more sense than balance with a doctor. Dreamer is an incredibly powerful role, however pie put a ton of counter measures to it in this game. A hider, roleblocker, and a ascetizer all serve as potential counters to me getting results. In fact it was incredibly lucky I wasn't visited np1 to even get the results. Given that outside of me, town has virtually no investigative ability, it makes sense to have at least one more. Tracker atually makes sense here. Doctor? Not so much. A hider is already protective in that they can't be targeted, and both the ascetizer and roleblocker have potential to interupt the night kill. A doctor on top of all that seems OP. Not to mentioned I researched a bunch of pie's games. He RARELY uses doctors ever.

Let's take a look at his last 8 games or so.

COD mafia: Escape artist as towns only protection role.

Inheritance: Prideful townie as towns only protection role.

Indian mafia: No doctor, the closest thing to a protection role was an ascetic.

Heroic Heroes: Brave Townie, and Reflector only protection roles.

Recycled Roles: Finally a game with a doctor, but its a recycled role from a narcos game from years ago.

Mahabarata: Apportioner as only protection role.

Heroes of Olympus: Whiteflame was an inventor with a 1x doctor ability, but this was virtually it.

I stopped researching games at this point. In 8 games in the past 2 years, I found only one everynight doctor. Case in point, pie rarely uses straight up doctors, and prefers off kilter type of protection roles. If he happened to use a doctor here, that is an incredible coincidence.

Behaviorally:

1- Most of thoth's behavior has been relatively similar to his other town games. But the major point I want to touch on here is how increbily pro-town his lynching behavior is. If mafia is going to stay away from mislynches, the only reason to do so would be to use it for town cred. Thoth has been on exactly 0 mislynches, and has never once tried taking credit for that. In fact when I gave him town cred in dp2 for it, he tried denying the town cred by explaining he wasn't around to vote! So as scum, what is the reason for him abstaining from relatively easy mislynches like casey and mikal? He never brought up one time that this is a reason to town confirm him, not even here at lylo. This is one of the strongest reasons I have town read thoth, but ultimately its just how careful hes being. Even last day phase when it was clear mharman was cooked, he was being conservative, where wryly immediately jumped on that wagon for the town cred, and immediately tried using it as an argument for herself at the beginning of this day phase. Hell, thoth was so conservative he didn't even want to vote and missed the fact that I was town confirmed because I hadn't quick hammered him yet, where wryly was very quick to point that out. This is such an innocent little town slip its very hard for me to ignore, but ultimately shows how passive and careful he is being because he doesn't want to mess town up.

If I am wrong here, then thoth deserves to win because it shows levels of manipulation from him that I wasn't able to comprehend him being capable of, and a bussing strategy with mharman that required so much internal mindfvcking, that I would consider only a hardened mafia vet capable of.

Thoth if you were scum, this was extremely well played and I will never look at you the same again. But Ultimately, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and moves like a duck, its probably just a duck.

VTL wryly.

I’ll be at work in 30 minutes and I’ll post my reads and decision