Banana's public pronouncement is a point in her favor, though I'm always wary of just auto-townreading roles that I haven't seen given to scum before. It's screwed me over a few times. I think she looks pretty consistent with her usual town behavior so far.
Im actually a bit baffled by this. What about Bananas behavior is in line with her town behavior?
Understood. Bananas role aside, what do you think of her behavior?
Not to omgus here, but I am really suspicious of the way Banana is acting. I would be suspicious if she voted like that on anyone else, not just suspicious because she voted me. I already wasn't the biggest fan of her Thoth vote.
She has role confirmation going for her, but otherwise her behavior isn't great.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/5/2026 at 12:47 PM (post #99)
Generally been a busy Sunday, but I do want to dig back through this and the last DP and give some reads when I get a chance.
I do agree with wylted that it's likely a 50/50 situation on Luna, hence my concern about his pushback on the claim.
I still don't completely understand what you mean by pushback, my responses have been fairly robotic. I've directly confirmed I am one of the three roles you posited. Just trying to get you to think outside the box on things you and others may be jumping to preemptive conclusions about is all.
Originally Posted by wylted on 7/5/2026 at 2:53 PM (post #102)
You haven’t provided a single reason that I am even a lynch option but okay.
If we believe whiteflame, and I was attempting to be polite about this than you are either scum and 100% redirector or town and 100% bulletproof
But you have seen redirector as town. I get that it's also a common scum aligned role, but if I had come out saying I was a town redirector would that be grounds for automatically lynching me?
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/5/2026 at 11:28 AM (post #94)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 12:09 PM (post #90)
Ill be going to bed soon, hopefully pie and mharman chip in a bit later. Would be good ot hear more from wryly and whiteflame as well if they are able to venture off of my claim for more than 5 minutes.
It's to be expected with the dearth of other data to analyze, I'm afraid. I don't need a role claim from you though. If you're town you're Bulletproof and if you're scum you wouldn't tell me otherwise anyway. A character claim would help me, though.
I do think my character claim straight up gives away which of the three roles I am unfortunately.
Regarding the "yes it is lol" in #76, I'd like you to tell me what roles you think completely overlap between Thoth and Mikal.
76 is in reference to game balance mechanics that I already know for a fact exist that no one else can know based on my role pm, talking about overlapping mechanics in general. I'd rather not elaborate on this.
Also I'm not sure what you mean by #88.
Im saying he's putting in a role that works like dreamer but with roles, but includes a role that's already flipped, so why would it be out of the question for more than one role to exist? Or was he just straight up being bastard with the mechanics of his role? We should be looking at the existence of more than one role as being possible, and not closing our minds to that possibility is all I am saying.
Ill be going to bed soon, hopefully pie and mharman chip in a bit later. Would be good ot hear more from wryly and whiteflame as well if they are able to venture off of my claim for more than 5 minutes.
Originally Posted by wylted on 7/5/2026 at 8:20 AM (post #86)
1 of the 3
I mean it's not really one of 3. Vigilante is taken so it's either redirector or bulletproof. Redirector which is rare to be town and bulletproof which is not.
Why would kohai include a role in that list if it can’t be used twice?
Also why do you want me to claim if your mind is made up that I am a redirector lmao
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/5/2026 at 7:32 AM (post #83)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 6:54 AM (post #79)
Originally Posted by Banana on 7/5/2026 at 3:20 AM (post #78)
VTL: Lunatic
At least explain why lol
ur story is all over the place. u need to claim. tho at this point its pretty obvious ur the redirector.
What story? lmaooooo
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/5/2026 at 7:08 AM (post #80)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/4/2026 at 9:47 PM (post #38)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/4/2026 at 2:17 PM (post #8)
Mikal’s replacement of Shining has been canceled. I’m /in for Shining.
Good mharman, we need someone like you to get in and stir shit up. Lock in. We need locked in mharm for this one. Day phase one was the most boring phase in this sites history, im pretty sure. Im sure lazy mafia was more entertaining.
the nod being lazy was funny
anyway, I take it you think Shining = town?
Shinings slot hadn’t posted enough for me to form a solid opinion yet.
So much shit will make sense later.. I promise. Til then, I won't be providing further claims unless town absolutely is demanding that. And if we are ggoing that road I would llike a sufficient reason for doing it other than "He's maybe a scum redirector". You've got me locked into 1 of 3 things. Let me cook.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/5/2026 at 1:53 AM (post #75)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 2:28 AM (post #73)
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/5/2026 at 12:12 AM (post #72)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 2:03 AM (post #71)
His role had a passive redirection passive based on a percentage, I wouldn't exactly call that a redirector.
He was a 90% Nexus. That plus a town Redirector is just pure role redundancy.
I mean I did say that the balance in this game is totally whack, Not sure what kohai was doing with this one.
It's not "there are two roles that almost completely overlap" whack, though.
Yes it is lol.
We have a Vig and we have a Nexus with a 10% chance to kill. Never seen an unlimited Vig before (I think), but the two flipped roles are at least discrete. There's a little bit of lethality overlap, but with the Vig at a delayed start and the very slim chance of the Paranoid actually catching scum, I can buy it. A Redirector and a Nexus, though... Basically either you're Bulletproof, you're scum, or I'm appalled.
Regardless, there is little reason for me to narrow down wihch I am further. I see 0 point.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/5/2026 at 12:12 AM (post #72)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 2:03 AM (post #71)
His role had a passive redirection passive based on a percentage, I wouldn't exactly call that a redirector.
He was a 90% Nexus. That plus a town Redirector is just pure role redundancy.
I mean I did say that the balance in this game is totally whack, Not sure what kohai was doing with this one.
Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/4/2026 at 11:58 PM (post #69)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/4/2026 at 11:57 PM (post #60)
What I mean by me telling you I am not a scum redirector is that if I was a redirector, why can't I be a town redirector?
Because Thoth was already a Redirector.
His role had a passive redirection passive based on a percentage, I wouldn't exactly call that a redirector.
You're going to have to claim it eventually, but we can discuss whether that's necessary if your character is so thoroughly tied to your role.
I mean everyone will claim eventually. I dont see why that means today though.
Because one of those roles, as you so helpfully highlighted, is a role we should be wary of as a plausible scum role. If your role indicates your alignment at all, that would be a big help with scumhunting this DP.
Again. Your the one who said the thing about redirector meaning I should claim. I was basically saying if your worried that I am a scum redirector, don't. Still getting caught up on semantics with that. You are the one using a redirector as a means for me to claim lol.
Anyways we aren't getting anywhere with that argument. I am not against claiming if that is what people actually want, I just don't see how it helps anything progress and would at least like a behavioral reason to suggest I claim. Not just raw insistance that 1 of the 3 roles I could be is potentially a scum role, especially when we have seen that role used both ways many times. If it said "Ninja, godfather, or strongman" I would get that a little more.
Also you arent explaining why I need to even claim anything. Your results are out there. I am locked in to one of three things. I dont see why were doing this dog and pony show.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 10:04 PM (post #64)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 12:03 AM (post #62)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 9:59 PM (post #61)
Reread what I actually said.
Don't gaslight me Mister.
Lol, you're the one who called the role scummy, not me.
I didn't call it scummy, you based your reasoning on me having to claim being that you think I am a 50-50 between BP and redirector. What I mean by me telling you I am not a scum redirector is that if I was a redirector, why can't I be a town redirector? Im not confirming I am any sort of redirector, just specifically saying even if I was a redirector, I am not aligned with scum.
Re-read what I said, and it makes sense.
Saying I was concerned about the existence of a Redirector in the game doesn't mean that was an automatic scumread on the role, but sure, it would stand out a lot more than the BP. You're getting awfully defensive about the reasoning behind one line of text where you said the words "scum redirector" without any prompting.
I am not being defensive, I think we’re having a semantically dispute. Regardless I do not think your results justify further claim here.
I feel pretty confident about what you are, mainly just a matter of whom and why. You can at least start with a character claim, dude.
I can say the list of characters I submitted IG, but telling you my character would give away my role.
Semantical*
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 9:59 PM (post #61)
Reread what I actually said.
Don't gaslight me Mister.
Lol, you're the one who called the role scummy, not me.
I didn't call it scummy, you based your reasoning on me having to claim being that you think I am a 50-50 between BP and redirector. What I mean by me telling you I am not a scum redirector is that if I was a redirector, why can't I be a town redirector? Im not confirming I am any sort of redirector, just specifically saying even if I was a redirector, I am not aligned with scum.
Re-read what I said, and it makes sense.
Saying I was concerned about the existence of a Redirector in the game doesn't mean that was an automatic scumread on the role, but sure, it would stand out a lot more than the BP. You're getting awfully defensive about the reasoning behind one line of text where you said the words "scum redirector" without any prompting.
I am not being defensive, I think we’re having a semantically dispute. Regardless I do not think your results justify further claim here.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 9:53 PM (post #59)
Why would I? I dont understand the logic for me claiming, you've already ousted my claim to a 1/3 chance, no need to narrow it down further for scum.
You've basically already given away which one is your claim when you said the Redirector role would be scum, so I don't see what the issue is here. If you're the BP, just say so and we can move on.
Reread what I actually said.
Don't gaslight me Mister.
Lol, you're the one who called the role scummy, not me.
I didn't call it scummy, you based your reasoning on me having to claim being that you think I am a 50-50 between BP and redirector. What I mean by me telling you I am not a scum redirector is that if I was a redirector, why can't I be a town redirector? Im not confirming I am any sort of redirector, just specifically saying even if I was a redirector, I am not aligned with scum.
Re-read what I said, and it makes sense.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 9:41 PM (post #56)
Seen the first season of that forever ago good show and pick.
One of my favorites, definitely worth watching the rest when you get a chance
Will do
I think i've seen this role a few times but its been a while. Well your results are at least accurate so your either telling the truth or are a scum role cop.
That makes one of us. So at least you're confirming the result, though I don't understand holding back on your claim at this point.
Why would I? I dont understand the logic for me claiming, you've already ousted my claim to a 1/3 chance, no need to narrow it down further for scum.
I would rather not be forced to claim because you think I am a scum redirector.
When did I say you were the scum redirector?
Don't gaslight me Mister.
I would rather not be forced to claim because you think I am a scum redirector.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #53)
Originally Posted by wylted on 7/4/2026 at 10:50 PM (post #49)
If you have some sort of information about lunatic, I'd like to hear it.
Alright, I'll clarify and just claim:
I'm Midge Maisel from The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. I'm also a role I've never seen before, the Comedian.
Seen the first season of that forever ago good show and pick.
The way the role works is that I target someone and receive a "joke," which consists of a list of 3 roles, one of which is their actual role. I targeted Luna last night. The three roles I received were
Redirector
Delayed (NP2) Vigilante
1X Bulletproof
Considering one of those (the Vigilante) was Mikal's flip, that makes Luna's role a 50-50 between Redirector and BP. I don't like those odds.
I think i've seen this role a few times but its been a while. Well your results are at least accurate so your either telling the truth or are a scum role cop.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/4/2026 at 8:26 PM (post #44)
I’m going to put it to Luna: anything you’d like to share?
No.....
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/4/2026 at 2:17 PM (post #8)
Mikal’s replacement of Shining has been canceled. I’m /in for Shining.
Good mharman, we need someone like you to get in and stir shit up. Lock in. We need locked in mharm for this one. Day phase one was the most boring phase in this sites history, im pretty sure. Im sure lazy mafia was more entertaining.
Originally Posted by wylted on 7/4/2026 at 4:20 PM (post #19)
Who was on Mikals radar. Somebody refresh my memory please
I'll give you props for being one of the first people to take "who was he suspicious of" reasoning into account post mordem. It always infuriates me when I am town and die to someone I was blatantly scum reading and then no one factors that into the equation at all. We as a community need to do this more, as scum kind of just kill whoever suspects them with impunity
Whiteflame wouldn't let that enter his reasoning for choosing an NK target.
Whiteflame would however, call a bluff. And mikals bluff was very much called.
