Lunatic's avatar

Lunatic

Community Contributor

Member since

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:41 PM (post #55)
I did ask Mag1c who he protected. I freely admit that my analysis here is 100% built on the premise that you can't be town because there cannot be two identical town Vigs, so my suppositions must by necessity grow more specific as I struggle to explain the data through the lens of that premise.

If you're 3P, I definitely need to remove my vote, but I can't be sure you are. I wouldn't expect even a 3P to have Mikal's exact same role, to be frank. This would make a lot more sense if you simply are mafia and gravedug the role from Mikal.

So it sounds like the entirety of your vote on me is based on the hope that you think the mod made any sense of balance here. But I don't even agree that a scum vig with a town vig is balanced. Two vigges in a ten player game is just wild no matter how you spin it, with only one doctor to boot.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #50)
Well fuck my life. I'm Town Popular. If we're in MYLO, I'm not confirmable and that's gg lol.


If there's any realm of possibilty that you are town, I am not gonna beat you up for this, but I would like to know the thought process behind waiting until now to claim this at least lol. I think you understand now how with holding this claim til mylo was... not a good play.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #50)
Well fuck my life. I'm Town Popular. If we're in MYLO, I'm not confirmable and that's gg lol.


LOL

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:27 PM (post #47)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:02 PM (post #41)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:47 PM (post #34)
Would also explain the no Mag1c kill. If they've got two shots per night the Doc isn't as much of a threat, and the priority becomes to remove Pie from the conversation DP3, and to get Rex out of the way, cuz he was looking less and less likely to be a mislynch target.
Just saying if magic protected a kill, I would have been unable to confirm myself. If I was actually scum I would be killing magic all day.

I'm sure scum have a Strongman or some such and that y'all would use it for Rex's kill to make sure it went through so you could sell this story, and since Mag1c had Pie in his POE there were low odds he would doc him.


It's strange that you would jump to a conclusion that scum was banking on a strongman to get their second kill off instead of just asking magic who he protected. This could be a lot simpler to solve, but your already jumping to the conclusion that I am guilty, which if this is mylo, makes sense that you would be setting me up as a mislynch lol.



There's not a strong case to be made for you sussing Mag1c, so he's not a viable target.



If I was scum I kill magic here all day. Not only does he prevent me from confirming myself, he also was suspecting me alongside pie and whiteflame. 0 Utility in keeping him alive from my pov.


Better to lay the groundwork for a Rex kill, bump him off, try to sell it DP3, then bump Mag1c off NP3.

Unless you're 3P.


If you think there is a high likelihood im third party, voting me still makes town lose, and still doesn't make this shit balanced. None of your thought process makes sense here.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:21 PM (post #46)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #40)

I told you many times I thought he was baiting. Didn't think he was actually a vig, why would I counter claim an obviously bs claim? Imagine my surprise when he was actually the same role as me.

Yeah I had a blond moment there.

Nah, i'm gonna need you to actually explain this one to me. Multiple people suspected rex. He was my top scum read next to banana.. Peep my reads kast day phase.

I'm judging your judgment through the lens of my judgment, judgmentally. Lol. Or to put it in other words, Rex was so clearly town to me based on his behavior that I struggle to see town!Lunatic genuinely sussing him. I was baffled that Pie VTL'd him too. At least whiteflame only VTL'd him because he was a claim void


His refusal to claim after being extremely inactive, plus sussing whiteflame who seemed likeliest to be town based on his results and claim and overall behavior, plus rex's outright refusal to claim, he wasn't getting town points for me. I was wrong I guess, but I don't see that him being a scum read is so outside of the realm of possibility.


How tf am I even supposed to respond to this lol. I am sorry kohai is a shit mod I guess, but I did tell you multiple times this was the case.

I won't believe even Kohai would put two of the same role into a game unless they were on either side of an alignment divide.


Even if the two roles are on the opposite teams, that doesn't make the balance any better, so this isn't solving the issue of balance your positing.


Also you need to claim, we are probably in MYLO. No reason to hold it back at this point.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 6:10 PM (post #43)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:04 PM (post #42)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 5:55 PM (post #38)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 7:08 PM (post #27)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 2:04 PM (post #10)
So... there were somehow two NKs?

I don't get the choices, either. Both Pie and Rex were getting sussed to varying degrees last DP, so why kill them? I feel like I'm missing something. Really frustrating as well because both could have role confirmed themselves.
Rex was me, and he was my second top scum read behind banana, which is why I killed him. Sucks he wasn't scum.... I feel slightly less bad about it given we no lynched yesterday but a mis vig is still a mis vig. Now that I have demonstrated my role, I will be much more conservative with it. I didn't even really want to submit a kill honestly. Happy to forfeit this role unless I am pretty damn sure someone is scum. I was going to shoot banana, but switched to rex last second because of niggling doubts.

Looking at this and your post above it, it's hard to believe there are two NP2+ Vigs in the game, and that's coming from someone who got that exact role on my list of three. If you're a Serial Killer TP or something, now would be a good time to clarify given that we're likely at MYLO.

Do you not believe your own results or something? I don't know what to tell you. Im a NP2 vig. That's what I am.

I trust that my results are accurate, but they don't say anything about alignment. Two town Vigs, even with a delay, aren't believable. Having another killing role in play likely means it's associated with a TP, and while that's still hard to stomach, it can at least make some sense from a balance perspective.

When have you ever seen a mafia or third party titled "Night 2 activated vig"? Regardless of your assumption about my alignment, the existence of a second vig is 100% proof the balance is fucked.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 5:55 PM (post #38)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 7:08 PM (post #27)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 2:04 PM (post #10)
So... there were somehow two NKs?

I don't get the choices, either. Both Pie and Rex were getting sussed to varying degrees last DP, so why kill them? I feel like I'm missing something. Really frustrating as well because both could have role confirmed themselves.
Rex was me, and he was my second top scum read behind banana, which is why I killed him. Sucks he wasn't scum.... I feel slightly less bad about it given we no lynched yesterday but a mis vig is still a mis vig. Now that I have demonstrated my role, I will be much more conservative with it. I didn't even really want to submit a kill honestly. Happy to forfeit this role unless I am pretty damn sure someone is scum. I was going to shoot banana, but switched to rex last second because of niggling doubts.

Looking at this and your post above it, it's hard to believe there are two NP2+ Vigs in the game, and that's coming from someone who got that exact role on my list of three. If you're a Serial Killer TP or something, now would be a good time to clarify given that we're likely at MYLO.


Do you not believe your own results or something? I don't know what to tell you. Im a NP2 vig. That's what I am.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:47 PM (post #34)
Would also explain the no Mag1c kill. If they've got two shots per night the Doc isn't as much of a threat, and the priority becomes to remove Pie from the conversation DP3, and to get Rex out of the way, cuz he was looking less and less likely to be a mislynch target.

Just saying if magic protected a kill, I would have been unable to confirm myself. If I was actually scum I would be killing magic all day.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:33 PM (post #32)
I'm supposed to believe you saw Mikal claim Vig and did not counterclaim?


I told you many times I thought he was baiting. Didn't think he was actually a vig, why would I counter claim an obviously bs claim? Imagine my surprise when he was actually the same role as me.


That you chose to target Rex, who screamed town?


Nah, i'm gonna need you to actually explain this one to me. Multiple people suspected rex. He was my top scum read next to banana.. Peep my reads kast day phase.




That town got two identical killing roles? Nah. You're either 3P or mafia.


How tf am I even supposed to respond to this lol. I am sorry kohai is a shit mod I guess, but I did tell you multiple times this was the case.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:26 PM (post #30)
Lol I absolutely do not believe Kohai puts two Cycle 2+ unlimited Vigs in one game, and if he did, I'm never playing his games again.

VTL: Lunatic

I didn't believe it either until mikal flipped lol. I don't know how to respond to that, I mean I have proved it and can continue to prove it. Unless you think mafia just have a second night kill which is even more busted.

Lunatic

So whiteflame was copped innocent? That narrows things down for me. Banana, still scum likely, wryly needs to claim, magic is a doc, Idk.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 2:04 PM (post #10)
So... there were somehow two NKs?

I don't get the choices, either. Both Pie and Rex were getting sussed to varying degrees last DP, so why kill them? I feel like I'm missing something. Really frustrating as well because both could have role confirmed themselves.

Rex was me, and he was my second top scum read behind banana, which is why I killed him. Sucks he wasn't scum.... I feel slightly less bad about it given we no lynched yesterday but a mis vig is still a mis vig. Now that I have demonstrated my role, I will be much more conservative with it. I didn't even really want to submit a kill honestly. Happy to forfeit this role unless I am pretty damn sure someone is scum. I was going to shoot banana, but switched to rex last second because of niggling doubts.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 1:47 PM (post #6)
Let's hear it

So yeah I am the (Real? Second?) Night 2 activated vigilante and I murdered rex. Yeah. There's a reason I was saying balance in this game was absolutely whack. This is also why I was sold that mikal was lying about being a vig in day phase one and was pulling some gambit, my mind couldn't wrap around the existance of a second night 2 activated vigilante..



I am John Wick btw, my other submission was the GOAT Tyrion Lannister, and Louis Creed (My favorite book written character from Stephen King's Pet Semetary).


I needed to get through day 2 without claiming this because if anything happened to stop my role from going through, I would have no way of confirming myself, and there was absolutely no way in hell yall would have let me survive anyway if I told you I was the Night 2 activated vig after mikals flip. So yeah balance is completely fucked. This was also the reason I was okay with no lynching yesterday because I wanted to get a kill off and prove myself, and I wanted to lynch rex anyway, so figured killing rex would basically accomplish the same thing as a lynch without as much punishment.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/7/2026 at 1:05 PM (post #312)
Worth noting that Lunatic and Rex had two different reasons for not wanting to VTNL. Rex’s is very towny (self sacrificial) while Lunatic’s is quite lazy. We had four hours and only three people on Rex. We can get 3 people in four to VTNL, I mean shoot, did it real quick and we got a fourth just now. To be clear: Being VTNL-averse isn’t inherently scummy, but saying “oh we dont have time for it” when we only need three/maybe four people in four hours (assuming one is coming off the Rex wagon) comes off as a quickly-drawn, fabricated reason to avoid a VTNL.


Honorstly didn’t expect it to get support. You proved me wrong good sir.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 7/7/2026 at 12:30 PM (post #297)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 2:27 PM (post #293)
I was going to post a larger iteration of the basics of that post, which were that I thought the possibilities were

Luna/WF T/T - Luna is bodyguard
Luna/WF S/T - Luna is scum redirector
Luna/WF T/S - Luna is town redirector
So much of your analysis of another person is based on a guess of what you think my role is. I don't like that at all.

You're just not reading my case at all then, which tbh is NAI for you.

Yeah I skimmed a lot of that. I skim a lot of whiteflames bulk posts too. My bad.

Lunatic
I was going to post a larger iteration of the basics of that post, which were that I thought the possibilities were

Luna/WF T/T - Luna is bodyguard
Luna/WF S/T - Luna is scum redirector
Luna/WF T/S - Luna is town redirector

So much of your analysis of another person is based on a guess of what you think my role is. I don't like that at all.



I don't support a no lynch. I'd honestly rather you lynch me so you can see I'm town and pick up on the way WF has been acting this DP and move the game forward. If we no lynch the game will just stagnate,

In general I agree about no lynching. However I dont think mislynching you would adversely cast much doubt on whiteflame, other than proving to him that he was wrong about you, in which case town is wrong sometimes too.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Banana on 7/7/2026 at 12:20 PM (post #284)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/5/2026 at 8:01 AM (post #85)
Also why do you want me to claim if your mind is made up that I am a redirector lmao

u not claiming plus defending the redirector is what makes me think u r the redirector. u want to claim bp, you may change my mind


Lynch me tomorrow if you still suspect me. Let me cook.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/7/2026 at 12:18 PM (post #282)
Let’s all vote to not have a lynch today

the vig is dead, so this will get us back on odds
gives us all more time to think
gives us more time to post before we commit to a lynch, which helps against the inactivity
doing this now, while there’s more townies alive, instead of later, increases our odds of getting useful night results


I am okay with the vtnl for different reasons, I should state. Generally I hate doing this because it's a waste of a day phase, but with the mechanics of this game specifically, we can definitely afford a no lynch here.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/7/2026 at 12:20 PM (post #283)
There’s nothing in the rules that says VTNLs have to be unanimous. We can just make VTNLing the largest wagon and no one will die today.

It was more I didnt think we would get the support for it to beat out a lynch, but looks like I was wrong. fuck it,


VTL: No Lynch


Lunatic


Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/7/2026 at 12:11 PM (post #270)
With the vig dead we should be able to VTNL

let’s not make a decision just yet.

VTL: No Lynch

im dead tonight but with 6 townies here we improve our odds of getting helpful night results… as opposed to us doing this earlier.

I dont think a no lynch is possible. I actually would support one here though. We would need every single player with a vote to unvote though, otherwise it will default to plurality. And Banana has been missing for a while now.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 10:24 AM (post #257)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 12:16 PM (post #254)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 10:01 AM (post #250)
I also don't see Rex gunning for whiteflame like this as scum. This reminds me of when he was going against the tide to sus whiteflame last game.
Times ticking, who do you want to lynch today? Plurality is in effect so largest wagon dies, remember

I haz indecision

If I lynch you the game will be less fun

Which like, shouldn't be factored into my decision but


It shouldn't factor into your decision, but if you feel the same way tomorrow, I implore you go all in on pressuring me. There's so much I don't want to say or respond to wrt to my role because it will tamper a strategy I am attempting, so I have had to ignore a few salient points you have made in your last response to me. A lot of things will make sense when I eventually claim. I know that sounds a lot like a "Just trust me bro" but.... Just trust me bro

Lunatic


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/7/2026 at 10:01 AM (post #250)
I also don't see Rex gunning for whiteflame like this as scum. This reminds me of when he was going against the tide to sus whiteflame last game.

Times ticking, who do you want to lynch today? Plurality is in effect so largest wagon dies, remember

Lunatic


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 10:05 AM (post #251)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #247)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 9:16 AM (post #246)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 10:35 AM (post #243)
We have 7 hours left. If no one is feeling banana, I will switch to Rex since he's my second top scum read. But id like people to at least consider Banana.

So I'd like to understand this read more:

Banana- Lean Scum- She has some role confirmation going for her, that's about it. Mods frequently give scum "confirmable" type roles though for balance, to prove the point that players being role confirmed should not eliminate need for lynching based on behavior. Banana behaviorally just feels different. She was a hypocrite in wanting to pressure people on the shining/thoth wagon despite the fact she herself was on the thoth wagon. But she didn't even follow through with that despite dedicating her entire np1 ability to basically posting she thinks we should be targetting those on that wagon. She voted me instead, and then just dis-appeared. Her aggressive stances early don't seem like her at all, and she seems to be trying to take advantage of a mislynch opportunity with whiteflames results rather than even attempt to consider a world where I would be town. Her behavior has been very unusual to her normal playstyle this game, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise for me. Normally I feel like she screams town when town, and I am not getting that vibe at all now.

I think you're glossing over the role confirmation. The OP specifically says that "A message of hope appears," and while I can buy that Kohai might give scum a seemingly town-confirmed role, that seems like him putting his finger on the scale. Apart from that, I can't say I see a lot of difference in Banana's behavior. The push on you seems a little sudden, but I at least get where this is coming from, especially given the possibility of your being a Redirector. The main thing that's bothering me from her is a lack of reads. Usually by now, she's at least given some indication of how she sees everyone, but I haven't gotten any clarity on how she sees most of us.

How many times do we need to be burned by role confirmation before we start to take behavior more seriously? And do you honestly not see banana as being way more aggressive than normal? Not just with me but with her thotg read. Which was hypocritical btw since she wanted to focus the Thoth and shining wagon. I’m not seeing consistency to her normal play personally.

I can't just dismiss role confirmation entirely simply because we've been burned by it before. I can see the validity of keeping her in POE, but not scumreading her. As for the aggression, I'd like to get more insight into her thinking on you, but as I said, I get where she's coming from. I'm more focused on that than on her presence on and sussing of the Thoth/Shining wagons, mainly because that focus doesn't do much to narrow the pool of suspects. If scum Banana was using this to put attention on anyone, her better bet would be to focus on those who stayed off the wagons, not those where on it.

If you don’t wanna push banana you don’t have to, but a lot of this just sounds like an agree to disagree situation.

Lunatic


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/7/2026 at 9:16 AM (post #246)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/7/2026 at 10:35 AM (post #243)
We have 7 hours left. If no one is feeling banana, I will switch to Rex since he's my second top scum read. But id like people to at least consider Banana.

So I'd like to understand this read more:

Banana- Lean Scum- She has some role confirmation going for her, that's about it. Mods frequently give scum "confirmable" type roles though for balance, to prove the point that players being role confirmed should not eliminate need for lynching based on behavior. Banana behaviorally just feels different. She was a hypocrite in wanting to pressure people on the shining/thoth wagon despite the fact she herself was on the thoth wagon. But she didn't even follow through with that despite dedicating her entire np1 ability to basically posting she thinks we should be targetting those on that wagon. She voted me instead, and then just dis-appeared. Her aggressive stances early don't seem like her at all, and she seems to be trying to take advantage of a mislynch opportunity with whiteflames results rather than even attempt to consider a world where I would be town. Her behavior has been very unusual to her normal playstyle this game, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise for me. Normally I feel like she screams town when town, and I am not getting that vibe at all now.

I think you're glossing over the role confirmation. The OP specifically says that "A message of hope appears," and while I can buy that Kohai might give scum a seemingly town-confirmed role, that seems like him putting his finger on the scale. Apart from that, I can't say I see a lot of difference in Banana's behavior. The push on you seems a little sudden, but I at least get where this is coming from, especially given the possibility of your being a Redirector. The main thing that's bothering me from her is a lack of reads. Usually by now, she's at least given some indication of how she sees everyone, but I haven't gotten any clarity on how she sees most of us.


How many times do we need to be burned by role confirmation before we start to take behavior more seriously? And do you honestly not see banana as being way more aggressive than normal? Not just with me but with her thotg read. Which was hypocritical btw since she wanted to focus the Thoth and shining wagon. I’m not seeing consistency to her normal play personally.

Lunatic

We have 7 hours left. If no one is feeling banana, I will switch to Rex since he's my second top scum read. But id like people to at least consider Banana.

Lunatic

Claims:


Thoth- Christopher Michael Langan- PGO/Nexus (Post 3, 52 dp1)

Magic (Shining)- FDR- Doctor (Post 5, dp1. Post 182, dp2)

Wryly- Princess Donut (Post 9, dp1)

Wylted- BBQ Becky (Post 10 dp1)

Mikal- Squall- Unlimited self protected vig (LMAO) 

Whiteflame- Midge Maisel- Comedian: Targeted Lunatic Np1, received “Redirector, Delayed NP2 Vig, 1x bulletproof” (Post 53, dp2)

Lunatic- ??? - Confirmed whiteflames results (Post 54, dp2)


Unclaimed:


iLikePIe5

RexFavilla (Magoroth)

Banana


Lunatic

Reads:



Banana- Lean Scum- She has some role confirmation going for her, that's about it. Mods frequently give scum "confirmable" type roles though for balance, to prove the point that players being role confirmed should not eliminate need for lynching based on behavior. Banana behaviorally just feels different. She was a hypocrite in wanting to pressure people on the shining/thoth wagon despite the fact she herself was on the thoth wagon. But she didn't even follow through with that despite dedicating her entire np1 ability to basically posting she thinks we should be targetting those on that wagon. She voted me instead, and then just dis-appeared. Her aggressive stances early don't seem like her at all, and she seems to be trying to take advantage of a mislynch opportunity with whiteflames results rather than even attempt to consider a world where I would be town. Her behavior has been very unusual to her normal playstyle this game, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise for me. Normally I feel like she screams town when town, and I am not getting that vibe at all now.


iLikePie5- Null- I am hesitant to put pie in either scum or town camp right now, because I am not seeing a lot of behaviors that indicate heavily either way. The worst thing he has going for him is over all activity seeming lower than usual, but he didn explain that its fourth of july weekend so that could attribute to that. Pie doesn't feel as locked in as normal though and that's the main reason I would give him some suspicion. I won't bag on him for the shining push, that push made a lot of sense considering the day was ending and shinings slot was basically useless at this point. He seems like he is trying to get things rolling more now by pinging players and get them to force a read, which I like. I think today will be pivotal in reading pie since the weekend of the fourth is over and we should be seeing more activity from him going forward.


Magic (replaced shining)- Town- I buy the doctor claim atm, not that magic isn't capable of claiming a role like that as scum, but purely from a balance perspective. I'll let people infer whatever they want about my own claim from this, but a doctor seems very neccesary for this type of game (even if it exists along side a BP, which I am not confirming or denying that I am). Magics been okay behaviorally as well, I say that with a grain of salt because of the activity issues, but nothing stands out at me as particularly scummy so far. As someone who gives constant praise for magic's scum play, I would normally be hyper paranoid about this slot, but I am so convinced he is town based on his claim, that should tell you exactly what I think of kohai's balance in this game lol.


RexFavilla (Replacing Magoroth)- lean scum- The main thing I don't like is his insistance between lynching whiteflame and myself, it's weird and I don't really understand it. The only basis to lynch whiteflame would be if he expects whiteflame is a rolecop exactly. I also dis-agree that "Rolecop is the weakest role and would be used early". 1. Rolecop is not a weak role, especially early in mafia when we have limited claims. Mafia had very little POE to work with after day phase one with the limited activity and basically only having two role claims between shining and mikal. Information is pretty pivotal for scum at that point, so a rolecop would get a lot of value. 2. In general even if we are to assume rolecop is a weak role, scum tend to save weak roles later, and use their arsenal in the beginning. I think I would like to see examples of what hes talking about with scum wasting weak roles early, that has not been something I have ever observed.

Anyways his insistence on pressuring between me and whiteflame is a bit weird, ironically I would suspect this less if he was full tunnel on one or the other. I think it also weird he is doing the whole "I am not claiming" thing again directly after doing that in another game where he was town, feels like a set up to use the argument of "I just did this as town". Also he only had two votes on him when he did this. Also neither pie nor whiteflame asked him for a claim lol.


Whiteflame- slight town- His results are accurate, so again he would have to be some sort of scum role cop to get those results. The more the game goes on the more I doubt that he is. Comedian is a role we've seen before a couple times, though it is rare. I think the first time I seen this role was in supas south park mafia, and I think it was used at least once or twice since then though I barely remember it. It's one of those investigative roles that can help with POE but doesn't tip the balance heavily towards town either. I don't have major issues with whiteflame behaviorally, though I am vexed at his repeated insistence that I am being "defensive" which is just wrong, or being argued in bad faith. That said his behavior doesn't stand out as scummy to me so far, and his reads and activity have been good and consistent. He's probably by far the most active player so far, and he hasn't had a ton of takes that really just make me raise my eyebrows at him. I have been fooled many a time by whiteflame behaviorally, so I may change my tune here as the game progresses, and most of my clearing of him is mechanical based atm.


Wryly- slight town- Hard to say with wryly, and this is mostly based on gut, but she's been attacking things from a fairly "straight-forward" POV. Ironically she was actually right to do this wrt to mikal, who turns out wasn't lying, even after I was convinced he was baiting something. She's ben trying to work through all results and claims logically though, and doesn't seem to be jumping to quick conclusions. I like her latest posts looking at past games as well. I think I've only seen wryly as scum one time, and I am not seeing a lot of similarities to that game. I also know that the game where she was scum kind of stuck with her and was a reason she didn't want to play for a while afterwards in case she would roll scum again, so I just feel like her behavior would be more guarded in general if she was scum, given the paranoia she would probably have at being caught again. She's been playing with her walls down, and I think that is a point in her favor at the moment.


Wylted- Null- Can't really say what I think about wylted at the moment, other than he's been wrong a lot about his thoughts on my claim, and I just can't really elaborate on that at this time. I would have expected scum wylted to tunnel me a bit more though, thinking he could use whiteflames results for a mislynch. He has been more reserved though, and patient then I would expect of scum wylted. That said he still is floating the Lunatic lynch on assumptions about the result, so not a major fan of that. The whiteflame vote was odd, and un-explained. I don't like the town read on banana who is my top scum read at the moment. I am okay placing wylted as a firm null though at the moment. Still trying to decide with him.