Lunatic

Im going to throw some shit against the wall to see what sticks, start poking and prodding you guys for some content here because the game isn't going to go anywhere otherwise. This is going to be a pure wifom fest, so take my questions to you guys with a grain of salt, I am pretty torn right now so I don't actually scum read one of you more than the other, so my questions aren't meant to come across as "I am asking this because I think you are scummy", its just to get in your heads and see how you guys think about things to help me better decide if its town motivated or scum motivated.

Seems like everyone is just kind of waiting for someone else to make the first move, make the first FOS, so they can play the decidor from a 1 v 1.. Doubt its going to be that simple.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/2/2026 at 11:59 AM (post #1066)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/2/2026 at 11:44 AM (post #1065)

Did you get a result?

”lol”

That was my result. I wasn’t going to trust it even if I got something.

… I don’t think I would’ve gotten anything useful anyway. Once they learn of my role, the obvious counterplay is to flood their own scum chat with useless, or worse, misleading messages.

Ah yeah fair.

Did you get a result?

Anyways, I am going to bed here soon, took a melatonin. I'm going to lock in and ISO people tonight.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/2/2026 at 9:29 AM (post #1061)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/2/2026 at 11:26 AM (post #1059)

Are you understanding how mago thinks he is clear, or are you just as lost as I am?

Apparently some breadcrumbing plus his role.

It's all equally WIFOM, I took his role with a grain of salt when he first claimed it, just the same as I do now lol.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/2/2026 at 9:28 AM (post #1060)

I’m in this endgame both because I would be sussed and because Pie believes there’s a very real chance I overthink it and call it wrong.

I feel the same, after how hard mikal was pushing me yesterday lol. And wylted died too, exactly the thing mikal was pushing to sell people I would be scum.

Are you understanding how mago thinks he is clear, or are you just as lost as I am?

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 9/2/2026 at 9:20 AM (post #1056)

Ok, perfect time to reveal this.

I was not entirely truthful about my role. I do in fact cause votes to become anonymous, but I do not out scum when I die. Regardless of who kills me, votes become anonymous.

If you noticed, Pie only started going after me after I claimed, probably because he realised how unlikely the role was.

I breadcrumbed this right before my initial reveal, if you look up the posts just before, the capital letters spell out DIE TO AL. In retrospect I should’ve said “REVEAL TO ALL” and then it would be more obvious, but just so you know I came prepared.

Reason I’m saying this is, Pie ONLY pushed me because he knew I was full of shit. I almost slipped a few times when I called my role fake. He pushed me for the Town cred (cause he knew it wouldn’t out me OR his partner if I died), and it gave him an excuse to push me. I think this should be a pretty strong defense for me not to be scum.

So, I will not vote. One of you has to convince me they are Town and that the other is scum.

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Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/2/2026 at 6:29 AM (post #1045)

This is retarted. I was waiving lol

Yeah but we have no way of knowing you weren’t the recruit to know you would do that.

But yeah. If you want my pick. Yeet luna

Yeah yeah you’ve said it a million times. I guess I really peeved you last game lol

Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/2/2026 at 6:31 AM (post #1047)

Doubt anyone has an action but if they do like a track etc. Should be on luna

Said he is vanilla and cant move

Yes please track me. I have nothing to hide.

I did not go after mago. You keep saying that but fail to point out where that happened. You are on something bro.

If you were town that really sucks. But at least tomorrow will be a 50/50. If you were scum with your role we could have lost to parity since you make someone unvotable and voteless so we probably had to lynch you anyway.

Save us the suspense. Were you scum?

Town Mikal is too smart to think that pie wouldn’t be able to use a yakuza to manipulate people and play mind games. There’s no way he thinks pie is that one dimensional that he would recruit people he likes over recruiting the most strategical way possible to win the game.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/2/2026 at 5:31 AM (post #1021)

Okay no time to swap. Cus ill be out

So vote is prob going to be split unless wykted and mago luna

Wylted doubt your alive. Prob will be mago picking. But think its luna over magic. But its def one of the two. Using this as my last will

Was optimal to shoot both cus it locks but between both its harder. Im 60 40 luna but both are bad. Would say iso luna and it looks strange. But magic is all over the place too. Can just promise. Its one of them

My entire ISO has been pushing scum. Both pie and Kohai. So I dont know how accurately scum reading people is "strange". You can say I was bussing, but I was consistent with my reads from day phase one, when everyone left alive is guaranteed to have been town, so spinning it as a bus really makes no sense here.

Originally Posted by wylted on 9/2/2026 at 5:26 AM (post #1016)

Where do you want to go if Mikal.flips innocent?

Depends on who the night kill is, but I have WIFOM reasons to really buy that anyone is scum.

You could argue you were the recruit because pie vibes with you, plus it seems he thought you were a dreamer so he could have recruited you to prevent you from getting a dream.

You could argue that mago is scum because pie was trying to distance himself from him last day phase, to make mago look town. I think pie is smart enough to recruit him using the exact logic that mikal is saying against him, thinking he could make it to LYLO based off the distancing.

You could argue its magic based on his heavy push for mikal here based loosely on his results and its kind of a stretch. I have a harder time buying this unless he just thinks he can 1 v 1 wifom his way out of this in lylo.

Mikal is scummiest to me for completely dismissing two players from the POE entirely, and for refusing to respond to any arguments made about it and just stamping his foot down and repeating the same shit. He is trying hard to manipulate you and mago into following him by playing to your egos. He needs exactly two mislynches, and he has exactly two set up.

The night kill will help me change the order of my POE, but I have mikal scummiest. If he is town, we have to analyze who is killed and who was in whose top scum reads, etc.

Mikal just keeps repeating the same points ignoring the logic and responses to it. Im pretty comfortable accepting him being scum at this point.

VTL: Mikal

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 9/2/2026 at 3:13 AM (post #1007)

Yeah, here it is: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=14866750#p14866750

Sounds closer to this:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Little%20Girl

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 9/1/2026 at 11:52 PM (post #999)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 02/09/2026 at 2:03 (post #952)

Originally Posted by wylted on 9/1/2026 at 5:22 PM (post #945)

Lunatic what are your thoughts?

I think magics role is real at the very least, could have been recruited though. I am not sure I am 100% on board with the logic of mikal being confirmed scum based on the words "ml" and a double space, however I do think mikal behaviorally is at least setting off some alarms. The fact that that message in magics pm clearly states that they need two mislynches to win, and mikal seems to have 2 people lined up for a lynch, exactly me and magic, and doesn't seem to consider you or mago options at all seems like TMI. I don't see how he could say that you guys are innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt when literally anyone could have been recruited. The fact that he is hard set on me and magic being scum makes it look like he is setting us up as both lynches. And he's throwing his weight around confidently, expecting you both to wagon him saying things like "I know wylted will vote with me" type shit just seems like is trying to manipulate you.

If I was leaning a direction it would be mikal, but I don't want to dismiss the possibility both him and magic are town here. I am literally considering everyone. I'll have more extensive thoughts when I get to work tonight.

"mikal seems to have 2 people lined up for a lynch, exactly me and magic, and doesn't seem to consider you or mago options at all seems like TMI. I don't see how he could say that you guys are innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt when literally anyone could have been recruited. The fact that he is hard set on me and magic being scum makes it look like he is setting us up as both lynches. And he's throwing his weight around confidently, expecting you both to wagon him saying things like "I know wylted will vote with me" type shit just seems like is trying to manipulate you."

I honestly thought so too. I didn’t like how Mikal was urging us to quick hammer right away. I think that’s in Mikal’s scum meta too

Right I just don't know how you could be that confident about your WIFOM that he would be deadset that pie would never have recruited you or wylted. I think of pie as pretty devious actually. Him going for obvious targets doesn't fit his MO, I think he'd target suspected power roles, or people he thinks wouldnt get lynched. People like me are too obvious a recruit target to make sense. Mikal dismissing it out of hand though is just odd.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/1/2026 at 11:21 PM (post #998)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/2/2026 at 12:46 AM (post #988)

What is this retardation.

the whole point of me claiming being roleblocked was to play mind games with scum. No player with a good power role claims when they’re roleblocked. They don’t reveal it, like they’re pretending they have a passive role.

By claiming a roleblock, I signaled to the mafia team that I didn’t have a role worth killing me over.

Which improved my odds of staying alive for this DP so I could get a result.

I explained this at the start of the DP. It’s in the same post as my full claim and results. Just read dude.

Since you asked Wylted about it, I’m tagging you in this

Lowkey didn't even see you say you were roleblocked ever lol somehow missed that

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/1/2026 at 11:06 PM (post #993)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/2/2026 at 12:56 AM (post #991)

The only thing magic has going against him is the fact that he supported pie a bit in dp2. But we would have to buy him and magic as scum decided to buddy instead of distance. It's possible, since pie and kohai buddied on dp1. Pie never really focused on pushing magic for a lynch or seemed to consider that, but he also didn't every really suspect anyone besides mago.

And then after "supporting him" I found a way he could be OG scum, and analyzed him from there. Instead of trying to save him, pinging people with all the reasons Pie must be town, I went and explored a ton of possibilities about who would recruit who if they were OG scum. Had Pie not been hammered when he was, I would have done it with five minutes left in the DP. I like getting my thoughts out. You've seen it. Off the top of my head, DP1 Game Shows Mafia is an example of me doing it. I was town, Savant tunneled me all game over and Mikal took advantage of that. That entire game is preserved on the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine, btw.

I know dude, I don't suspect you over it or anything, at the end of the day the WIFOM being used is pretty inconsistent. Mikal says I bus for the funsies, so I must be scum. Wylted says you were defending pie after scum reading him dp1, so your buddying and must be scum. The logic about it is all equally WIFOMy, but I do credit that it seemed like you were being open minded about your reads. I actually think it kind of looks better reading back your interactions with pie, especially after seeing how you distanced with me as scum in the last game. You tend to be a lot more analytical as town, and your exchange with pie overall looks a bit more like your town meta.

I am trying to be open minded here, so slightly playing devils advocate by entertaining the point that you defended pie, but ultimately, I am not really seeing you as scum as of this moment.

The only thing magic has going against him is the fact that he supported pie a bit in dp2. But we would have to buy him and magic as scum decided to buddy instead of distance. It's possible, since pie and kohai buddied on dp1. Pie never really focused on pushing magic for a lynch or seemed to consider that, but he also didn't every really suspect anyone besides mago.

I will say magics claim, if fake, sounds nothing like what I would expect magic to fake claim. Its just so odd and out there. And it makes a lot of sense with his character claim. Kind of fits the theme of other characters thats been claimed so far with wierd never before seen roles.

Originally Posted by wylted on 9/1/2026 at 10:12 PM (post #980)

At the end of dp1 this was his reads

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-3?comment_number=289

Pie + Kohai

That accuracy alone is a good reason to recruit him.

That was exactly who I had down in DP1 too though lol. Pie and kohai were my only votes that day phase.

Originally Posted by wylted on 9/1/2026 at 10:04 PM (post #978)

As hypocritical as it is. Magic did claim he was blocked on dP2 when he targeted lunatic.

He did avoid the lynch of pie. So he has lied about his role and failed to help town get in lynches against scum

If all things are equal he should at least be punished even if he is town

Where did he say that?

Originally Posted by wylted on 9/1/2026 at 9:30 PM (post #971)

You have a scum read and are violating rule 273 by arguing with your scum read. Just vote

Other way around, Mikal is scum reading me. I still want to look into every other person as well, in case magic v mikal is town v town. Scum locking themselves into a 1 v 1 with two mislynches left is riskier than it should be so I am not totally sold yet that there is one scum between these two.

Mikals claim that I am switched on him is FALSE. I was literally defending him against magic being implicated by his result:

"Magics role is a lot to process, but I’m not as convinced it nails scum in Mikal down. I think all of us have abbreviated mislynch as ml before and the spacing thing is kind of a meh argument."

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-3?page=31&comment_number=878

Mikals claim that I was pusing magoroth is FALSE. I defended mago against pie last day phase, I have never voted mago or even sussed him. I came into this day phase saying we should be wary of every person.

"There is no universe where I would ever support a mago lynch over lynching you. Lucky for you I can’t vote. But I think town is smarter than this."

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-3?page=26&comment_number=747

Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 8:38 PM (post #963)

Mag if you go me

You are prob going to be alive with luna and magic tomorrow

If that happens. Its prob luna.

I mean pie could have bullshited who he visited and his claim but the j what I said above makes more sense. Play is to kill them both but putting it here as a last will cus no idea what your thinking in case you hit me. But lowkey im like 95 percent sure its one of them and 60 40 on luna based on how he shifted off you since no one would go with him.

Can you PLEASE explain this? Was I ever on mago? Please prove this, literally anywhere dude. You are either mis-remembering or blatantly lying. I defended him against pie last day phase, and said there was no world in which I was lynching him over pie lol. You need to stop capping bro.

Originally Posted by Mikal on 9/1/2026 at 8:32 PM (post #962)

Last dp was before pies flip. You bus for fun and consider them free wins

If I was scum there was 0 point in bussing Pie after his watcher claim. I remained just as consistent in lynching him as I was before Thoth claimed a guilty result on him lol. Bussing to bus is not something I do. If I am bussing there has to be a point to it, and if your argument was that I was recruited there was no reason to keep bussing him when he claimed watcher.

And I think its you or magic. So im find with starting you and not omgus or whatever. But you literally pushed mag and shifted after magic was on me.

I didn't push mag wtf are you talking about? I didn't shift to you, I didn't even vote you. I mentioned that it was scummy that you aren't counting two people as recruit options, and rather than defend that logic, you omgus'ed me lmao.

Seems like mago was a mislynch and you are taking what is open since magic would not go with you on that and wylted and i are pairing. I

Seriously don't know what the fuck you are talking about dude. This whole sentence is just mad confusing lol

dc what order we do but cant shake the fact pie went to magic and tried go fuck with his actions and claimed watcher in case he was seen and ifs not magic its you. Its def one of you

But can we please skip all this

You aren't going to get a mago lynch so put your vote on me and mago can pick between you and I. Dragging this out is retarted.

You are tripping.