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VTL Wylted

The only reason I didn't say this earlier is because I missed that wylted was playing.

I thought that profile picture was stupid enough before, but I am an edgy meme-lover, so I tolerated it. With the recent Epstein file drops, I can't put up with it anymore. I want to policy lynch wylted every day phase he is alive until he changes it. Hopefully his inability to play Mafia will out-incentivize the policy lynch being proof that we swallowed his ragebait.

I don't think he should be banned for that profile picture because I support free speech, but I also believe that we have the right to turn that free speech right back at people we don't like by, for instance, saying VTL wylted. As Voltaire never said, "I may not agree with your profile picture, but I will defend to the death my right to policy lynch you for it."

It's a cause for introspection that I never advocated policy lynching wylted for this when the worst thing I knew about Epstein is that he liked to fuck underage girls, but my point stands.

Wylted is a bit edgy, but he's harmless. He's a troll, but he's not a bad person, and far from toxic imo. There are ten times worse than wylted out there who actually endorse that stuff, wylted just likes to peoples goats. I would let this one go personally.

Here's some unforgivable sacrilege to your Nintendidols. I've never played a Legend of Zelda game from start to finish. I'm pretty sure that the only ones I've played are the first one and Ocarina of Time, both on emulators, and I don't think I got past the first sections. If that confession wasn't to a mortal enough sin, let me earn myself a latae sententiae excommunication from videogamedom: I didn't like either one.

I don't think I've played one all the way through either. Still enjoyed them for what they were though

I doubt that a cult would exist in a 9 player game personally. Those are OP in even the bigger games. Or at least if it did I don't think mikal would have given it his seal of approval. If there is a recruit ability its a 1x role like yakuza or something.

I am really hoping this game is balanced better than the last one. I have hope since mikal helped balance it a bit, but I remember the disaster that was the last game by kohai lol. I got town confirmed and subsequently killed np1 because of it. Among other balance issues, that was painful lol

Hello, played this a bunch on N64 back when I was kid, its a good game and series, but ill be honest, I haven't played a ton of the new ones. I bought the one for the switch and played like 2 hours of it tho.

Down to play and or host. If its the same time though, I will be driving to work again. Sat/sun/monday is better for me personally.

This is actually fire

https://youtu.be/JHJRNmjqhT0?si=3fIlTGugDMhmifRu

You really didn't need to go back and forth with him that much imo, his arguments on you were gaining no traction with anyone else and at a certain point it became repetitive.

I was never worried about him mislynching me, it was more that I wanted him on track and locked in to help us get lynches. He was the most active town player besides me, and he was wasting his vote on me each day phase.

But like the vibes in town were dumb. Why would you want to win there and not with scum, where we were partying

I was having a good time. Was slightly frustrating having a constant back and forth with mago but I had a pretty solid POE going.

/in then

We were fully prepared to quit after you initially said you would join us. We would’ve taken you down with us too, but you didn’t care about losing, which was like wtf to me. You can ask WF and REF. I was pissed.

Town definitely did not deserve to win this game after the poor performance everyone put in, but you were fine with taking the L if the rest of town won.

Like I said to whiteflame, you care about the win rate way more than I do. I used to care, now its just for the vibes.

I’d be down for live mafia it’s been a hot minute

That and we wasted time on inactives like Thoth and awesome. Inactivity is a huge killer of town teams

Yeah there was some major lynch hesitation this whole game. What’s up with that? Is that something that recently started?

Also, I was raging so hard when you refused to joint win with us. It was retarded. Play to your new wincon. We were giving you the win on a silver platter. Did you really want this town to win? Like what?

I felt like I was cooking that game as town despite the Thoth mislynch. My POE was pretty narrowed down and I had suspected you for a while but was kind of not wanting to get into trying to get that lunch done because I know you will fight that shit tooth and nail and that people will believe you because they always fucking do, you are one of the hardest people to lynch on the planet. And I had pieced together Whiteflame was likely scum after wryly claimed. I had a conspiracy theory that there was a scum communicative role because hers sounds so legit. So I wanted Whiteflame to think that I town read him super hard so you guys would keep me alive to try and manipulate me. I thought kohai or Wylted was the last scum, couldn’t wrap my head around the possibility of two scum even though you were continuously making that assumption it took me a while to piece together it was actually only two lol. Anyways yeah the town was bad and inactive but I felt like I could carry them to the endgame if I could convince Whiteflame that he had control over me and not to kill me, at worst thinking I would get roleblocked or something. And I felt it was unfair to Mikal who was also putting in work dp1 and helped town by getting his beloved princess off. The only reason I ended up agreeing to it is because Whiteflame was the homie and scum sided with me as third party in Russian mafia so I felt like I owed him big for that. But yeah definitely would have lost this if I stayed town but I could just safely blame the team at that point. I did all I could do really lol

lmao

https://imgflip.com/i/ajxygm

Put me and Mikal in a game together, you’re gonna have a high post count. Pie circa getting his new girlfriend and job was a very high poster as well.

All good it was annoying but we'll get em next time

It was interesting to me how little theme was discussed.

You quite literally said this in the OP of DP1:

"Theme split is not simple. Most of these women have at least one screw loose and have done some evil shit – don’t take villainy as equivalent to being scum. Roles have justification. Scum have been given two fake claims to use if they see fit, so overall theme analysis will be of limited use."

It was discussed several times that there was probably no point discussing the theme since you said that in dp1. Ngl though even if it wasn't said, its a pretty complex theme that I doubt many people are familiar with.

I think this led to theme as a whole falling to the wayside, with many people role claiming before character claiming.

Definitely. And yeah the soft claim meta is pretty bad. It's not really the idea imo its the execution. Almost every game people end up claiming far too frivously or more than was asked. Its an odd phenomon

I am interested in your thoughts on the game and player interactions. Seems like mod rarely comment these days. Was this a frustrating game for you to watch, did you enjoy it, what did you think of certain players and their performances, etc etc

I think WF and Pie were doing fine until DP3. The issue for them was that the internal town confirmations narrowed POE too much and made it very difficult to maneuver and pursue mislynches. Magoroth and Wryly confirming one another, Shining and Wylted confirming one another. They were only left with Banana (who was largely playing well) or an inactive slot as mislynch targets. I feel like without that town confirmation caging them in WF and Pie wouldn't have been nearly as stressed out at the end of those two DPs in a row.

If whiteflame wasn't the homie I would have never taken that deal lol but yeah I know if roles were reversed whietflame would 100% do it for me lol.

No offense pie, obviously your a friend too, but its more competitive with you lmao. I would have rejected that deal all day if it were literally anyone else.

I keep forgetting vader wasnt a player

Thoughts on the game set up:

Complex mechanizations ultimately kind of ruin the experience for the players, I can say this from experience when I've tried complex ideas they don't work out well. The last time I tried game show mafia with a trivia mechanic it was abused heavily for example. This one was just needlessly complex and I think a lot of people were confused with the favor and mechanics. Its crazy how little that even came into play in the end, since there was only ever one night phase. I can respect the amount of hard work that went into the theme and I could tell Rex has a lot of passion for this theme, so at the same time I am giving you props for the dedication, though I know with your activity and how busy you are in general I imagine trying to keep track of all the favor and votes must have been a major pain in the butt. Lastly I mentioned this a bit in the mason PM, but I honestly really really don't understand you always make it 2 v 10 in 12 player games. I ranted and raved at you for this in your last game, it makes it such an uphill battle for mafia. Whiteflame and pie were literally about to quit if I didn't take the third party deal with them, even after making a choice to not out pie as scum. You need to do the mislynch math here in the future, because 3 scum works way better here, I even would put three scum in an 11 player game. This worked out for mafia literally only because I decided not to expose them, and because town was literally retarded.

Game thoughts:

Mago, I am sorry, not trying to be a dick here, but you are the most frustrating player ever. You are literally all over the place man. I get being mad that you almost got lynched, but you were not being objective in the slightest. I had told you multiple times even when I was pushing you that I wasn't hell bent on you being scum, but I didn't want a no lynch and you were the best lead. You held that shit over me for the ENTIRE game and never let go of it even when I immediately retracted my scum read on you, and then blamed me for mislynching thoth. Well you just mislynched kohai after I was on the correct wagon. I can be a dick here and say "I told you so" but I would rather you just learn a lesson from that so we don't make these kind of mistakes again. I went over every thought I had in the game and fleshed out every idea. I was never voting something without a solid reason to do so and I was happy to defend any action I made or any thought I had, but no matter what I did you held your grudge against me from day phase 1. There was literally no winning with you. Even if I wasn't converted to TP, I almost don't think I would have cured your poison because you were so anti town in this game, keeping you alive would probably have only muddied the waters more. Sincerely hope you never play that way again.

As for the rest of the town, I don't know how you guys scum read banana. She was in POE but she was lowkey cooking with her pie arguments. And lynching Kohai was kind of lazy when there was so much to read with pie. I made a deal with scum since they turned me into a third party to work with them. I kind of had no choice, I told whiteflame I didn't want to like 5 times, but then I realized they could force my hand and just turn me into a third party and kill me anyway forcing us both to lose. I was still almost tempted to do that and expose them to help town win, but mago was being such a little shit and nobody was being active, plus I owed whiteflame a favor from russian mafia where he scum sided with me as a third party, so in the end I agreed to their plan and helped them. All I really did though was not continue pursuing pie, I even left my vote on him in hopes town would come to their senses and vote pie.

I also had caught onto whiteflame. That was the "conspiracy theory" I was talking about after wryly claimed her mason. Her mason sounded actually legit from a mech standpoint, so I figured if there was two masons, one probably had scum. I was trying to publicly town read whiteflame so he would keep me alive, hoping he would think he could manipulate me if I town read him. When I told him about wanting to lynch pie, he got cagey about it and didn't want to and I was starting to suspect heavily I was right about my conspiracy theory, but then he exposed that he and pie were mafia and about to quit, so they made me a deal to work with them and they would convert me to TP. I reluctantly agreed in the end, because town was playing pretty badly. Like at this point I don't think we would have won as town even if I stayed on course with pie and got him lynched. Yall fell for the manipulation "let me confirm myself" Bullshit so hard. I've seen pie play that game before, you gotta realize if pie is ever doing that, its likely because the game isn't going another day phase lol. Unbelievable..

Oh well fun game, would have rather won with town, but town wasn't on their A game here, not even close. Not even their C tier. Town was cooked, and I was talking to myself or arguing with mago for 90% of it, so yay.

I decided to redesign the setup where character claiming can be permitted. I will retract that rule

Good decision. Anyways, I am burnt on mafia still, but I owe you one for signing up for Ted Lasso, so if you want I'll sign up for this one, or the MU you mentioned, let me know which you would prefer.

Current Games:

Rex- Some Asian shit- DP3

Sign-ups:

Kohai- Legend of Zelda

In the Hopper:

Savant - Andor Mafia

Mag1cman

Thoth

Banana

Magoroth - Corleone Mafia

whiteflame - Frieren Mafia

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Sure. Its just frustrating because my best guess at scum is literally you, and if its not you, then… maybe its Pie, idk, but IMHO it could almost be anyone.

There was 12 players in this game. Surely you can come up with more than just me. Like even if you think I am scum theres gotta be 1-2 more so lets get cooking.

\First of all: I agree with your points on Pie. I too thought Pie’s shtick that there were (2?) scum and one Serial Killer, but I didn’t scumread him super hard for it, it is possible for Town to believe things that are sermingly random or strange. i would like for Pie to explain himself.

It is odd that you think I am scum when I am literally pushing pie, is your theory that we are bussing?

sorry, functioning off of very little sleep. was literally falling asleep at my computer when I typed that last sentence, no idea what I even meant with Wylted being able to teleport. my point was that is Wylted is the only active person in that PoE.

To be honest me and you have been the only consistently active people in this game, and even you were missing for a large part of day phase 2 towards the end. So you could technically say most everyone is inactive. Also your points have been a bit all over the place. Maybe you better get some rest so we can continue this in the morning. Happy to do it now, I work graveyard shift so this is normal hours for me, but for your sake it might be better.

Also another counter point to me being poisoner conspiracy: Do you actually think there is a night kill and a poison ability and town has no counter to this? Because that's actually insane from a balance perspective.

So I was right about your response.

People scumreading you must be on some strong drugs. Right.

Your not on drugs for scum reading me, you are on drugs for lying and making shit up. Like the part about Banana sussing me, she also just called you out on that. It didn't happen.

Okay. Let’s play the game a different way. If you are Town, who is scum? Why should I vote in [Pie, Kohai, Banana]?

I explained my read on pie in post 124, if you haven't read it, and I have a strong suspicion his scum partner is kohai. That said if you want a recap sure.

Bullet points are that pie is acting differently than normal games, IE hasn't scum read any of the veteran players, didn't immediately try to policy lynch the miller suggesting inside information that he knows the miller is town, suggested multiple times there is only two scum and is convinced of a third party, why would we assume that there would be only two scum? Mathematically it makes the most sense for 3 scum in this scenario, and the third party talk is even crazier because why does he assume there even is one? Third parties aren't common in every game, nor was there ever any mention of one existing in this set up by either the mod or a players role, so I don't know why he would jump to that conclusion. And he never tried to suspect kohai or wylted here despite the fact that he counter claims both of them with his slanderer role that takes favor. As banana mentioned this LITERALLY counter claims wylted, since wylted is also even night slanderer apparently. Remember how he harped on wryly and shining being scum for counter claiming each other with that passive? Why is he an exlusion to that rule? And the other reason I scum read him is because he was saying in dp1 that he could carry the town with his role if he got enough favor, but then when he finally reveals his role he is a lynchproof. First of all that requires him to be cooking with his reads and nailing scum left and right, and hes only human. Second of all he's been insanely inactive, so what would giving him favor actually done to help us in the long run? He wasn't even around for the end of day phase lynch last day phase.

If you have a better lynch feel free to garner support for it, but I suggest at least getting some valid reasons for it and backing that up with actual evidence, rather than conjecture and made up stories.

Because, the way I see it, these are all just the inactive players. Do you actually think everyone else is Town?

I never town read everyone what are you talking about? I think it comes down to pie/kohai/wylted/banana, I believe scum is in those four, I could be wrong about some of my town reads, but that's where I am at. One of wylted or pie is scum, and the other is basically town from the CC. I am leaning wylted being townier of the two.

I guess it was in reply to Wryly and not you, but still.

???

I am so lost