Lunatic
It does feel like half the people who got pushed (all of them?) got pushed because they were LHF. I will laugh my ass off if Whiteflame and Lunatic are both scum.

VTL Lunatic

it’s rather suspicious that the person everyone says scumhunted the most basically ended up with townreads on the most active players, and with scumreads on the least active ones. Note that he mentioned the existence of a potential Poisoner well before anyone else did, it makes me suspicious of him.

I don’t see why the hell they would even try to hide who’s who, quite obviously the “Doctor/Bodyguard” is Lunatic, and anyone with an IQ above room temperature in centigrade would be able to figure it out (as Wylted put it a while ago). I think the reason is to give Lunatic some WIFOM so he doesn’t claim Doctor.

Well thanks for outing to everyone im the doctor. It may have been obvious to you and wylted but maybe mafia didn't pick up on that, so thanks for ruining it. Btw pie hinted multiple times that he thought I was the neighborizer and whiteflame the doctor.


Because, why in the hell would a Doctor hint at the existence of a Poisoner, when his role could supposedly heal from Poison and potentially nightkills? He could have one of the most crucial roles in this setup and yet, what he does is virtually out himself to that Poisoner?

1.Saying I have knowledge of a poisoner doesn't mean I am claiming counter to that role. Someone day phase one (I can't remember who) mentioned that they think I was an informed player (a role that gives set up information to the town).

2.You were advocating for a mass claim dp1 remember? If we had followed your plan I would have had to out this information anyway lol.

3.You are the biggest hypocrite ever for this if you think I claimed too much of my role when YOU LITERALLY CLAIMED YOUR ROLE without anyone asking for it. You weren't even close to being lynched at that point, a couple of people had just loosely talked about you being scum.


There is a real chance we are dealing with a Pie/Lunatic/Whiteflame scum team. Pie to build up the idea that because I don’t die tomorrow (healed by none other than Lunatic, obviously), I must be scum. Then Lunatic tries to stall the lynch to buy towncred, they supposedly bus Pie while they’re at it (or maybe he claims 3P at the very end so they “let him live because we need the 3p to help us kill scum”), and voila.

Pie is literally my top scum read, so if you think I am scum just bussing him why not lynch him and pursue your crusade against me later? Or you just are so all over the place you forgot that little tid bit. You an alcoholic? Or just bad memory?


i exhuausted myself typing this. please vote lunatic, nothing in this game makes sense and the idea that we’ve narrowed the PoE onto mysteriously inactive scum is absurd. nobody has had any reason to townread anyone this game; literally the only person I have the slightest reason to townread behaviourally, other than perhaps awesome/maybe banana, is Wylted. Yet somehow we’ve successfully narrowed the PoE after two town mislynches? Gimme a break.


The pie lynch isn't even based on POE so I have no clue where you are coming from with this lol.


also, why the hell does Lunatic townread me all of sudden? Why can’t I be lying about being Poisoned? It’s really weird. You’d think he would have a little more to say about me, maybe push me slightly, be distrustful, yet he has done none of that. Yes, I get believing someone who got poisoned because “why would they lie”, but not an ounce of suspicion? This is strategic.


Because my role pm literally tells me I can counter poisoner, thus I know a poisoner exists. The only way you could be scum is if you were the poisoner and waived it to claim this and "confirm" yourself, which is technically possible yet unlikely. No I am convinced you are town, but semi retarded.


Lunatic’s reads also don’t feel genuine to me. He comes up with a huge wall of text and makes no attempt to explain or reevaluate in light that he was wrong twice.

I am not ashamed of being wrong. Mislynches happen, I don't get demoralized when it does, lynching scum is never an exact science, thats why town usually gets multiple mislynch oppertunities in a game. But I strongly disagree that I never make an attempt to explain my reads, I've done that multiple times when people have questioned my reads. Wryly asked me about my scum reads last day phase and I took a lot of time explaining them to her. And I literally re-evaluated my read on you, something you say I am not doing here, but in the last paragraph suspected me for lmao. See what I mean when I say there is no winning with you?


before anyone says, why would Lunatic kill Mikal? mikal comes across as a rational player and he was probably afraid he would eventually turn against Lunatic once he figured things out.


That's quite the baseless conspiracy there pal.


VTL Lunatic
Final vote. Not unvoting.


On the off-chance that I am wrong about any of you being scum with him, please vote him.

oh, Lunatic will probably say something like “You are being delusional again” or whatever amounts to making me sound like I’m biased against him, he did the same thing with banana I think. Banana suspected him and he raged. But his reaction was quite telling, it implied he was townreading Banana, because why the hell would a town player rage at someone they scumread for scumreading them.

None of this ever happened. I think your on some strong drugs. You should share them, they sound fun.


Lunatic
Bro I'm burned out with family stuff, Pie is slammed at work, many of our players haven't been posting enough. I can't blame you for not having tons of fun with this one

its not even really just the activity though I definitely think it plays a part in it. Would have been nice to have Thoth on his A game here. But like people aren’t hearing what I’m saying or scum read me for it. Mago just will perpetuate ally scum read me no matter what I say or do, and it’s been pulling teeth to get any lynches accomplished. Probably wouldn’t have even got Thoth lynched if it weren’t for the double vote. Sad thing is I think most of the people on both wagons were probably town and scum is probably just letting us hang ourselves becythey can get away with it and farm town cred when we do mislynch.

Lunatic
The only odd thing I've seen is his townread of whiteflame after saying whiteflame was in his POE last DP

whiteflame had to be in the POE because he hadn’t claimed. It would be awkward if I was putting others in the POe for no claims but not him.

Lunatic

I hope on some level you can see the irony and hypocrisy behind you doing the same thing to me that you were accusing me of doing to you in dp1. Have fun. Be the leader you think I failed at. I believe in you. Carry us to victory. I’m gonna spend my time doing something I enjoy because this game is not it.

Lunatic

Just a heads up I probably won’t be too active going forward. My interest in this game is dying fast. Feel like I’m talking to myself or a brick wall half the time. I’ll be around if you ping me but yeah

Lunatic

Also can you full claim? I think all we have from you is the miller part. Whats your other roles and your character?

Lunatic

Actually it might be worth exposing who you gave your other favor to, because we have full claimed now and for some reason the other person hasn't mentioned they got the favor. It might be worth finding out why from said person.

Lunatic
Somebody witnessed Mikal visiting me and apparently he had that ability


The favor stolen from you is what I am referring to. It was likely given to scum since no one has claimed it. Those 2 favor plus one more from supa is the only favor that is unaccounted for.

Lunatic

Pretty sure pie is scum here. He is only really pressuring people he thinks he can secure easy mislynches on, somehow town reads all the vets, normal pie would be hella sus of the other vets. Plus the role is an outlier, strengthener is kind of a common fake claim and the slanderer is kind of a CC by kohai only khoais is more of a theft (which he strangely didn't mention, even though he was harping on wryly/shining cc'ing each other). Like even buying the excuse that pie is busy (I know he genuinely is) like his behavior still feels different even analyzing his active posts. 0 interaction between him and kohai. I think his vote on awesome was to look town last day phase, but kohai hasn't done a lot, and I feel like there would be a lot of focus on him from pie but there isn't. I am seeing a scum team here. Pie being adamant about 2 scum and a third party suggests inside information as well, I think that is a pretty wild conclusion to jump to otherwise. Lastly in post 172 of dp1 pie said if he had enough favor he could carry the game. I was thinking he had some really amazing role here that could help him break the game, but the only thing I can fathom to think of that he could be referring to is his lynchproof, which 1. Requires him to be way more active and have amazing reads to use 2. Ignores the fact that his slanderer role could actually harmfully impact the town. And like I said earlier, I think scum probably have some pretty powerful roles based on how strong the town appears to be. Meaning that asking for favor would probably be a viable strategy from scum, not only for that but because it means that favor isn't getting fed into town power roles. It just doesn't make sense to ask for favor if you know your going to be busy and not able to post like anything if you think you are going to carry town to victory with a lynchproof lol.



Lunatic
btw I started out with 4 favor and received none NP1 because I am sadly unappreciated in my time. though in hindsight favor should've gone to Thoth, who apparently does not share my anxiety about everyone hating me if I ghost on a game

I think the real problem is stretching a game to 12 players when its hard enough to get 9 players in a game these days. A lot of people don't really have the time and energy to be here, and only signed up out of wanting to do a favor for rex I think lol.

Lunatic

No one has claimed receiving two favor stolen from wylted yet, so I am assuming it was given to scum.

Lunatic

Full Claims: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-c4DFpSyTrkpAlp2t1Ere6zAxCVhgdp4JPuzgXmHBg/edit?usp=sharing


Dead:


Mikal - Empress Dowager of the Great Qing Niohuru Zhenhuan - 1x Jailkeeper, 1x Rolestopper, 1x High Adjudicator (removes favor and places it to another person) - Town (killed np1)


Thoth- Consort Ying- Even Night Director, Odd Night Bomb, Bulletproof - Town (Lynched dp2)


Claims and Info:


Vader- Emperor- Cannot die, distributes favor to the Harem each night.


12, 11, 10 – four favor 1,1,1,1 or 2,1,1

9, 8, 7 – three favor 1,1,1 or 2,1

6, 5, 4 – two favor 1,1

3 favor 1



Wylted-????- Post 41 , dp1-  Miller upon gaining a certain amount of favor, post 15, 30 dp1.

 

Magoroth- Bai Ruji- Watcher/Roleblocker/Vengeful (Rank: Concubine, starting 2 favor) - Post 272, 274, 297, dp1. Clarified by Shining in post 77, dp2. (Poisoned and lost watcher ability np1) Post 3, 259 dp2.


Shining- Fuca Longhua- Rolecop- Identified Magoroth np1 - Post 77 dp2, Has a passive called “careful” that tells him what roles visit him. He was visited by a shadow poisoner but not poisoned- post 165, 245, 261 dp2. 


Wryly- Consort Shu- Odd Night Tracker if empress dowager is alive (Tracked mikal to wylted np1) Has a passive called ‘Perceptive” allowing her to see roles that visit her - Post 106, 260 dp2. Has a 1x Even night Cypher at Noble Consort that enables communication between mikal and vader. - Post 310, dp2.


Banana- Consort Rong, the Legendary Perfumed Consort, post 429, dp2- Odd night siren (can veto emperor night actions), Even night Night Benefactor (Gives favor). Passive is Ascetic.


Kohai- Noble Consort Xian- Odd night benefactor (gives favor), even night adjudicator (takes favor and gives it to another), Popular at full rank. Gave one favor to whiteflame - Post 366, dp1


iLikePie5- Noble Consort Hui- Odd night Strengthener (strengthened whiteflame np1), Even night slanderer, passive is lynchproof - Post 72, dp3.


Lunatic- ???- ????- Our full claim is post 29, dp3.


Whiteflame- ???- ????- Our full claim is post 29, dp3.



Known Favor distribution:


Mikal took 2 favor from wylted and gave it to an unknown player.

Vader claims he gave 1 favor to Mikal and 1 favor to wylted. 1 favor from vader is still publicly unaccounted for as well as 2 favor from wylted that mikal handed someone.

Whiteflame received one favor from kohai.

Lunatic received one favor from ???



Lunatic
I dislike Banana’s Siren claim. Here is what a Siren does per MafiaUniverse. Funny enough it’s the role of the day on MU today. This is what Siren does:

The Siren is an independently aligned player who may submit one name each night. If the named player visits the Siren on that night, they die. Once the Siren successfully kills two players in this fashion, they win the game.”


If you are basing this off of role name, that's not a super convincing argument, because im pretty sure a mason recruiter isn't a "Neighborizer". Not sure where Rex finds the names for his role pm's but they are definitely not standard. Also shining and wryly both have two different names for the same passive that lets them identify roles who visit them (perceptive, and careful). I have never even heard of a slanderer or benefactor or adjudicator either. Magoroths vengeful is basically just a hunter.

Lunatic
Pinging dead people in the day thread? What do you expect me to do, send you a message through a Ouija board?

I think he wanted to shame you in a place where you wouldn't be able to respond. Little did he know....

Lunatic
Can someone give me a TLDR of what happened at the end of the previous DP? I’ll read through it when I can

It wasn't anything crazy, it was pretty inactive, and I led a lynch on Thoth that barely went through because of inactivity. Thoth didn't even claim or really try to steer away his lynch, which was kind of dumb

Lunatic
My bet is either Luna or whiteflame are scum.

Definitely a wild conclusion to jump to when there is still three an unclaimed people in this game, and we had the least incentive of any to claim considering we could confirm each other at almost any point, but you do you.

Lunatic
Do you have any reason to suspect the other might be lying about their role?


Well one is the only known protective role in the game so far and one is literally confirmed via the chat invitation, so role wise I think both of us are pretty good. I am open minded to whiteflame being scum, but don't currently have any major reason to suspect him. Wryly's role claim of having another communication role initially made me pause, but then again there was also two town roles with the same passive of being able to self identify visits.My conspiracy theory I mentioned yesterday is I think this is a role madness game with multiple town roles that can CC each other. I think Rex did it to add confusion and to balance the fact that town is a bit strong. Me and whiteflame have also theorized there is probably a very strong scum team here as well, but yeah. At the end of the day if me or whiteflame ever make it into a LYLO situation it will be increasingly scummy, so for now I am not openly scum reading him. Scum have large incentive to kill one of us tonight, which will undoubtebly help un muddle this situation, and if we both somehow live, they are risking allowing a doctor to live. Unlikely but possible if they are banking on a mislynch.


Other than that my read on whiteflame from yesterday is my legit read. I town read him but he is still in the POE and he has been quite a bit middle of the road. He has been active and responsive to me in the discord but I will say outside of that and agreeing with a lot of my thoughts and reads, he's been pretty middle of the road and hasn't really advocated pushing in any direction, outside of echoing some of the directions I've pointed out. Either way though, it's been good to have someone to bounce my ideas thoughts and conspiracies off of and to ultimately see he agrees with me on many things to show me I am not crazy or over thinking things has been helpful,.so I haven't seen him as an immediate threat yet.

Lunatic
Do you know each other’s alignment?

Nope. While I townread whiteflame, I am keeping an open mind that he could be scum. Especially with the part wryly mentioned about her role effecting communication between vader and mikals role. Multiple town communication roles seem kind of OP so it wouldn't surprise me majorly if whiteflame turned out to be scum. However until I have a solid behavioral reason to suggest he is scum, I am going to treat him as if he is town and continue to bounce thoughts and ideas off of him in the mason chat. I will say, me and him have been in alignment for most of our reads, maybe besides the read on you in day phase 1.

Lunatic

I am in a private PM with Whiteflame. One of us is an odd night mason recruiter (Rex calls it a Neighborizer), even night avoider, with a passive of prideful. One of us is an Odd doctor/Even bodyguard with a commuter passive. I am going to keep it ambiguous for the time being to keep the mafia guessing about which of us is which.


Our characters are:


Consort Shun: Su Luyun

Concubine Yu: Keliyete Hailan

Lunatic
Bit of a lopsided Super Bowl, but here we are.

no kidding lol. Big league vs kiddie league more like