Apologies, pretty clear I misread your point. Long and short of it is that I can see value in trying to hold off on a decision for both sides, whether that’s waffling or just uncertainty.
I’m hopping on the road for the next few hours, so while I hope I’ll be around for the final vote, I’m not expecting to be.
Cool Cool, well regardless of what happens, you've been a worthy opponent, as always. Wish we were town together this time, but as luck would have it, we aren't.
At the same time, I have to wonder why scum!whiteflame would NK Banana over me last night phase. She apparently townread him enough to use her Petitioner on him DP3, while I was openly sussing him.
Could be he just thought I was a worse decision-maker. He got me to mislynch at LYLO in Chicago Bears mafia.
Honestly think its the latter, but not that your a bad decision maker, more like he thought he could suck up to you. He had role confirmed you so maybe he thought that would buy you some town cred with him. He kind of effectively was working me over the same way the whole game by town reading my claim, considering I know nothing about the theme, i've just been taking his word for it that I have a solid character here.
I thought you were talking about how I wasn’t waffling. If I’m wrong, my mistake.
I think it was a miscommunication. I thought you were accusing me of waffling, so I was defending that I wasn't waffling because it happened so fast.
Like I said, it would be great if he’s active too, I just haven’t seen any signs of life. And again, I don’t know why you think I’m rushing this. Never said anyone should make a decision quickly, so I don’t know why you keep characterizing what I’m saying that way. Literally never been my aim.
Ok
I said you were waffling, not that I was
Who said otherwise wtf?
As for farming towncred, being the hammer didn’t and shouldn’t have given me a lot. Kohai was widely scumread at that point.
The humble aspect here just makes it seem even more like town cred farming tbh but at this point I know you are scum so it’s just obvious to me now where it wasn’t before.
Neither can you. His being pinged so much doesn’t prove he’s around, either, though I hope he is.
Has mago ever given the indication that he wasn’t active and aware of what’s happening? Because the couple games I’ve seen him in he’s been pretty alert and attentive. Also he talked a considerable deal about his role and using it correctly. Anyways I’m cool with either of them making the decision and will understand if it’s me, but for gods sake let them take their time and breathe lol
People hear 'lynch' and think of a white mob surrounding a black man hanging from a tree.
I literally never thought that once. This is a case of white people trying to be offended for other people. Classic liberalism
It’s more WIFOM at this point. Waffling on the lynch doesn’t exactly look better when the time for every DP is shared, and avoiding the lynch in an effort to hopefully spare him is something I could see you doing. I could also see you bussing at that point, so I can’t say it’s obvious to me either way.
Is it really waffling when you hammered like minutes after he claimed? I was willing to talk it out with him and consider possibilities but you just kind of shut that shit down. Potentially maybe you thought me divulging further information would make me look town and therefor you bussed him before that could happen, or you just wanted to simply farm town cred. Either way there is no realm of reality you can call that “waffling” when you ended the day phase so fast.
I hope so, just don’t have any information to tell me that’s the case. If he’s taking his time and analyzing the game, yes, I agree he’s made the right call.
I just get the vibe you are trying to manipulate wryly into a hasty decision when there is 0 evidence to suggest someone as active and attentive as magorath (whose also been receiving multiple pings) just would randomly decide to not pay attention in the most crucial phase of the game when he has been among our most active players recently.
There’s no way mago isn’t here and keeping track of things. I think he is just being patient, and honestly good on him.
The Strengthener claim was obviously scummy and even with the possibility of a scum RB/redirector (honestly have no idea if the Cheuffer would have been affected by one), I don’t think there was much of a chance he was town. Just seen too many scum try that one before.
Agreed. But now looking back you were pretty quick to vote him there. I suspected him but even I was willing to hear him out. You kind of just immediately voted him and it seemed more based on his character claim at that point. Now you say it’s because of his role. It looks like at that point maybe you thought the ship had sailed and decided to just full on bus him since we were looking for a lynch pretty quick and kohai was already at l-1, maybe you thought that would give you a bit of town cred. And tbh it did, for me at least. I had you as town pretty much the whole game until now.
Hmm. Everyone's PM has a "therefore" or a "hence" except yours then. Doesn't mean much. My PM mentions both Luthen and Mon Mothma.
I'm just grasping at straws at this point in hopes that one of them will somehow make this not a 50/50 shot in the dark. I take it by Mago's lack of a vote that he isn't sure either, or else just wants to see this play out a bit more first. I'll be busy until later today so I'll just hammer then.
I wish there was something more than wifom I could give you. Obviously here to answer any questions. Probably could have used my night actions better but hindsight is 20/20. I mostly regret mis using the watcher, that could have come in clutch. I was pretty confident I would have been visited np1 though.
Cant say I get this logic, since at the time you wouldn’t have known whether scum had an RB or other role manipulation, but I guess I get the basic idea that a Strengthener wouldn’t be there just to counter a town RB.
Typically when I think strengthener I think “counter to roleblocker”. Depends on the mod but I guess in theory it could counter a redirector or bus driver but we also now know kohai was the bus driver so that logic is out the door. Only thing he could have countered was me and I know I’m town.
Were you the one who said their role PM didn't really have a justification, just a character and role description
On first glance it appears that way. There is no link stating “you are this because of this” but it does say I possess a wide array of skills which in hindsight is what I am assuming the justification is.
Which of your roles did you think conflicted with Strengthener?
Roleblocker, why give town a roleblock and a counter to it? Makes no sense. If there was a scum roleblocker and a town roleblocker that would make more sense IMO.
I get trying to be neutral, but you have a case where one of the remaining two players has confirmed the role of the other. You either believe I'm scum and did that, or you believe there's a scum BG. If there's a reason to remain uncertain at that point, I don't know it.
I mean its clear its you at this point from my POV, so kind of a moot point.
This is a 50/50 crapshoot but Lunatic has the stronger character claim
I'm tempted to just hammer and have the game over with but I hate to decide on a tired brain
Well lucky for you, you can always just let mago make the decision here. I have no clue which way he is leaning though lol.
Keeping her in POE isn't scumreading, but you were doing it. Just saying, keeping options open at all doesn't make sense at this stage.
This makes no sense coming from you, your the king of neutral stances. I have been more into them lately, but you historically play safe.
Tbf, it doesn't really make sense for either of us. Kind of shocked you'd ride this out.
I was referring to the bit about you being scum back to back but yeah that too
Anyways, vtl whiteflame
Yes, voting you was pretty obvious because I have mechanical information to support Wryly's role claim. It would be far more surprising if I waffled on my clear townread from the last two DPs at this point. What I don't get is how Wryly could have been scum from your perspective, given my confirmation of her role.
I neve really scum read her, just was open minded to it, so not sure why you are accusing me of that.
I roll it a lot, but three games back-to-back would be legit ridiculous and I'd have quit the moment Kohai flamed out.
I was using the logic to clear you for most of the damn game.
Ruyi Zhan, legend of zelda, chicago bears, how in the hell do you roll scum so friggin much lmao
To give you a bit more WIFOM to add to your analysis, whiteflame pretty much insta voted me. I was only leaning him, I was open minded to you being scum as well, which shows I am genuinely un informed.
Up to you at this point. I can spew WIFOM at you all day but at the end of the day we are both unconfirmed.
Well wryly hasn't hammered yet, so shes confirmed town
Im leaning whiteflame here. My BP is technically another protective role, but idk. That character claim is strong.
RIP Banana. That's unsurprising.
Scum win this one if it wasnt thoth. Im probably getting lynched in lylo.
So unless thoth is trolling us its probably whiteflame. Or wryly just pulled an epic fake claim question. Which major props if she did
Hope we won, but I swear if your scum again, im really gonna start un ironically insta voting you lmao
wya
I really hope you meant he was in the POE
Duh