Lunatic

last night, I came to the conclusion, like 3 times, that Lunatic was probably scum, and that the train on me was scum driven, because it was too sudden and came seemingly out of nowhere. Lunatic/Pie might actually be a decent team in that theory

All that paranoia about you getting a purposeful mislynch train on you, and a lynch didn't even happen lol. Kind of defeats your point here. If anything I am more suspicious of the people who weren't on your wagon in light of everything you did last day phase. Mikal was well reasoned at least, but I think many others were just trying to save face.

I have a suspicion scum were super against mass claim and desperately wanted to move the discussion away from that so they pushed me

Every single person in this game has told you they are against a mass claim, so unless you think everyone is scum and you are the only townie, this logic is pretty bad.

Well I've done a bit of a 180 on magoroth, was still pretty paranoid about him going into the night and was actually planning on doing exactly what wylted did and seeing if I could bait a reaction out of him with a fake result, because he was falling into a lot of scum tells yesterday, but there was still a big part of me with doubts. But with the poisoner targeting him and my role kind of confirming the existence of a poisoner, it stands to reason.

While I would agree in general that multiple investigation roles seems kind of powerful, I think we can give that argument a little bit of leeway considering its all based on favor, technically people only have a role or any power if vader grants it to them, so theres a world where none of these investigative roles are ever active at the same time. I am getting strong town vibes from pie also, might just be he is echoing a lot of my thoughts. Not feeling the best about wryly anymore based on her voting behavior last day phase, for how scummy mago was acting I think she was trying to save face by not voting him thinking him flipping town would make her look good, other people town reading mago had more reason for it IE mikal, but wryly was just non committal for the sake of it, and when I called her out on it, she kind of just dismissed it as a joke, so it suggests some inside information to me. That said the tracking result plus targeting a claimed miller does lowkey make sense so I am not full sussing her yet.

Lunatic can’t even make up his lies, or get his story straight, I’m either scum or I’m towny but I have to be lynched because we can afford a mislynch or my role is dangerous and anti-town, he jut really wants me dead

I’m shooting Lunatic if I ever become Vengeful btw

Do it.

https://youtu.be/PjBF-wFs12I?si=81atGygGAWgHboty

I thought I was Towny? now I’m scummy?

Literally never said that lol why are you lying

Definitely not ideal, but I honestly don't scumread Mago and I don't see many good alternates

that’s how town beat scum. By not lynching scummy people.. it’s an excellent strategy really.

wait does this site require maj to lynch

usally yeah unless the mod states otherwise

magoroth probably flips town actually if i had to guess

someone look into ilikepie especially if he's town because someone on this site hailed him as some kind of god at mafia

I wouldn’t say he is a God but he’s definitely got a lot of experience. He’s been in almost every mafia game ever hosted on DART, here, and plenty on DDO.

my guess is that wylted is town

What a groundbreaking never before seen read

Lunatic/Banana scum team, would bet my week’s wage on it

what a bad way to lose your weeks wage

INVESTIGATIVE ROLES, CHECK LUNATIC AND BANANA TONIGHT, 100% AT LEAST ONE SCUM BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM

 Lmao i can’t even take you seriously. Your definitely trolling

Vtnl it is, what a waste of 500 posts lol

Without him clarifying it’s kind of hard to say it’s an actual CC or something he loosely interprets as a CC. Like a body guard and a doctor can exist but some

poeple think that only one protective role could exist so if it’s something that could be up for debate it’s probably better to have him explain that before going with the CC thing

I’m about to go to bed. I’m down to lynch awesome or mago, let me know where you’re leaning. I’d prefer not to vtnl but it could be headed there regardless if we can’t come to a decision.

Awesome is pretty scummy too, wouldn’t be opposed to his lynch either. He is misrepresenting or misunderstanding a lot of what has transpired as well.

Scum would let me into LyLo, they would just never vote me lol.

They wouldn't because it would confirm you making the lynch a 50/50 between them and someone else. You would be night killed before that if scum had any brain cells, assuming you are telling the truth.

Yeah, I'm in a similar boat on Magoroth. I can see the case against him, but I'm really split on him and I'd prefer not to just lynch him at this point.

Heres the thing; If you think this issue will circle back at any point in the game, we are just perpetuating the inevitable. I suppose if you wanted to risk taking him into lylo that could potentially confirm him scum, because scum would never let him into lylo.

It sure felt that way. I remember there was a question you asked me that I answered truthfully and you found a way to go “no actually that’s scum” and that’s when I freaked the fuck out.

I am talking consistencies in behaviors that are common themes among scum members vs noob town. There are variables to factor in every individual, we will find that out if you are town here.

Yes, I can? I can give you an example that happened LITERALLY on this page:

You know what, at this point if I get lynched I don’t really give a shit anymore. I blame the people who voted me. Nothing I did was that genuinely scummy except perhaps for lying about the Framer claim, I get that that’s scummy but why in the world would I claim FRAMER as Scum of all roles?

"I mean even if you are town, a mislynch isnt the end of the world or the game lol Town has room for errors."

How am I supposed to read that in any way other than you basically saying I am probably Town?

Thats not saying you are town, that's me telling people that there is less risk to lynching you as your role has anti town elements to it. As opposed to not lynching or random lynching a potential power role, mislynching a townie whose role could hurt town isn't the end of the world. I am still not sold that you are scum either, but I can see elements to suggest you are town. But we are pressed on time and I see you as the best option atm.

point 2. is that Lunatic’s arguments against me, up until the point I freaked out, were. basically completely ignoring any possibility I may be Town, whenever I answered one of his questions he would fire back with “argument is invalid”, which is INCREDIBLY frustrating when you know you’re telling the truth and people don’t want to listen

I never said your argument was invalid, I just questioned you on decisions and choices. You taking it that way is what everyone means when they say you consistently omgus though.

Notice how Lunatic stops short of calling me Town, he is basically calling me Town without actually doing it. I think he’s actually scum

You literally can't substantiate a single thing you say lol

Ok. Let’s Lynch you then. It’s not the end of the world.

Thats fine, if you think you can get the support for it, go for it.

You know what, at this point if I get lynched I don’t really give a shit anymore. I blame the people who voted me. Nothing I did was that genuinely scummy except perhaps for lying about the Framer claim, I get that that’s scummy but why in the world would I claim FRAMER as Scum of all roles?

I mean even if you are town, a mislynch isnt the end of the world or the game lol Town has room for errors.

The worse outcome of a mislynch here is that we lynch a role that has a high tendency to hurt town anyway. As opposed to random lynching an inactive and potentially hitting a power role. VTNL is an option as well but it kind of extends the game longer than necessary, and makes the 500 posts in this day phase feel a bit wasted imo

 Wryly might be scum but at least she’s not an asshat so she gets a pass.

Its kind of funny you think I am being an asshat here, when I have at times been indeed an asshat to people, but im genuinely feeling indifferent here, despite you thinking I have some personal venedetta mission against you lol

See, after you pretty much have to admit I’m town, now I must be RM, of all people!

Now it just sounds like you are trolling because I never admitted you were town.

You are dishonest, what I can’t tell is if this is scummy dishonest or just personality based.

Keep making it personal buddy, like I said, Ill sleep well tonight.

Way too chill on discord to me RM lol

I don't actually think he's RM, I was just getting RM vibes from the constant misrepresenting my point and narrative change combined with the extreme OMGUS.

See DP1 of this game, and you will know what i'm talking about lol: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12881-feminist-mafia-day-1

Thats pretty sus on Mago. I don't trust him not being some Mafia hunter or vengeful, so unless you really want Mago dead, VTNL is what I vouch for.

I am not worried about scum vengeful personally. One for one trade is always worth it.

I just gave one to wylted in post 420, you can use it as well

Open to voting mago, that's a weak town read just tell me why please before I decide

I won't tell you who to vote for, but if you want to know the gist of the read on Mago here is the bullet points

1. He has been omgusing everyone the whole game, every single one of his scum reads are people who sussed him initially.
2. He fake claimed that he was a framer/roleblocker/watcher, when questioned, he admitted that he was lying to gain favor from the scum team because he thinks they have the ability to steal favor or something like that.
3. He later claims vengeful townie which basically works like a hunter, he can just kill whoever hammers him, so its only utility is lylo. As a roleblocker/vengeful he kind of has more potential to hurt town here

Basically there's a lot of debate about how defensive he is being and whether it should be town read or scum read. The alternative is lynching an inactive like awesome5000 or shining, and risking random lynching a power role. Or mikal suggested a VTNL. Either way we have limited time so we gotta decide soonish

As for Vengeful, Town Vengeful only gets mislynched st MyLo if scum don’t know he is vengeful, yes I could technically use it beforehand but its utility at MyLo is immense

Did the mod specifically tell you that you can use it at MYLO or did you assume based on your pm?