Lunatic

BTW we have just under 3 hours remaining if I am correct

Actually I am going to ask about how 1x bomb works as well, because if that was the role rex gave out that could have potentially been what used my BP if he gave it to mago or something.

So I think since my bulletproof is apparently used up somehow it will impact the answer but I rephrased the question and asked him what would happen if I still had my BP, we no lynched, and you were presumably night killed as the only confirmed town what would happen. That would put me mago and whiteflame in LYLO since his restless spirit still works in mylo. I know it wouldn't change things and it would still be a 1 v 1 with me and whiteflame, but I am curious the mechanizations of how that would play out.

Ask Savant what would have happened if you and whiteflame had lynched me this DP, whiteflame had only you to NK and you're bulletproof, and Mago counted toward parity but can't be NK'd cuz he's already dead

He said he can't answer that because it's too specific

Pretty common knowledge that in the States the word is highly associated with mob murder of black people. And while white liberals can often be more sensitive than the minorities they purport to defend, in this case I don't think it's any secret black people aren't huge fans of the word either.

Our community is small and friendly so I don't think it's a huge concern here. But if we ever do replace it, I don't want "eliminate." My mom suggested "pitchfork" in its place for "torch and pitchfork." I like that better. (I live with my mom and grandmother and I've had to explain how much of my time and attention this game takes up.)

Words only have power if you give it to them. You make lynch a bad word then it suddenly means things it never had to. And I don't think of black people when I use the word "lynch" and I would venture to say I doubt most people actually do, it's a pretty outdated thing. It doesn't hold anywhere close to the same power the N word has had. In a shit talk online game lobby you might hear the N word thrown out because that word has been given power and meaning, but I've never heard anyone say "Im gonna lynch you you bastard" after dying in a game lol. Most of that stuff is veiled in reality anyway, does anyone ever call someone the N word to their face? Let alone use the word lynch? You propagate more racism by being sensitive to things like this.

Also, are you telling me roles like Petitioner and Restless Spirit were on your list?

This is actually a good point. Even if he can't divulge this information, wouldn't he have known that if people were claiming those roles they were likely town and not fake claims, therefore he should have been town reading them? Pretty sure he remained open about them in his POE.

Just woke up. Savant answered me, and I have no clue what this means, but he said my bulletproof was used but I “wasn’t attacked”. I have no clue what that mean and I dont know why he didn’t ever tell me it was used.

Lol chill dude, my mind's not made up at all. whiteflame's just been on the road so I knew he couldn't respond. You were here so I grilled you. I'll grill him tomorrow.

Its just how you phrased that shit, using words like "Supposedly" and "Conveniently" telling me I changed my story instead of just mis understanding that I wasn't an active BP after I already admitted to confusing it. It sounded like a pre-determination of guilt.

Youve been targeting me all day lmao you have your mind made up go ahead and hammer me let whiteflame win again, he deserves another scum win, we played like absolute shit

Ask Savant if your BP was used

Way ahead of you, just asked him.

I don't like that you've changed your story about what Savant said or that your supposed misunderstanding of how your role worked conveniently let Thoth get framed, but eh. My brain be tired and I've got another day to think about this.

Just fucking lynch me then, I really don't care. Kind of starting to piss me off now.

All right, big miscommunication there. I actually thought Bulletproof always had to be activated, like a Commuter. It didn't occur to me that it was just like an extra life. Guess I'm still green. In that case, there could have only been one death NP2 because Thoth shot Mago, but scum tried to kill you and failed. So you're saying it never occurred to you to say that in his defense because you were still under this misconception that Savant had told you your BP had to be activated first?

Yeah I was probably targeted for the night kill now that I think about it lol. I wasn't told my bulletproof was used though, so maybe not, but its starting to make sense now

We still have til 7pm tomorrow.

If in mafia "passive" just means it's not a power you actively use on others, then what could a non-passive Bulletproof possibly be?

There generally aren't non passive BP's, except for that game I guess whiteflame mentioned, I don't think I've seen it or if I have I don't remember it

This used to be one of my top vibe songs just for chilling at my PC

Nice loll it was either that or "everybody makes mistakes, everybody has those days!" by miley cyrus lmao

Alright, I’m confused, what did I miss? Can someone explain what I’m clarifying? What’s normal phrasing for a passive role?

In your expert opinion, are bulletproofs usually passive or do you have to tell the mod to activate it?

If you meant passive as in it passively protects you for one night phase, that makes a lot more sense.

Now your getting it.

But then I'm confused how you could have thought Savant was telling you it wasn't passive?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3wKzyIN1yk

Honestly I was tripped up when he first said I had to activate it, never seen it work that way.

Okay, maybe a miscommunication about what a passive is then. I understand it to be an ability that doesn't need to be activated and is always in effect.

That would be correct. Though "always" is changed by the 1x modifier

There was a 1x Bulletproof in Microbiology mafia, which you also played in, and you even put a 1x Bulletproof in Atypical mafia, which you moderated.

Yes, all of these were passive.

A passive Bulletproof would be ridiculously OP, similar to a passive town Commuter, and the only thing that was making me believe your JOAT was that all your roles were, at least, 1x shots. Now you're expecting me to believe Savant put an unkillable townie in the setup.

It's a 1x bulletproof, im not permanently unkillable lmao. And you cant actually protect a kill because you die in their place. It makes perfect balance sense in my head, which is why I didn't sus your bg claim.

My pfp is an accurate representation of my current attitude

That doesn't effect the argument however that "bulletproof is generally passive" in fact savant changing it to passive supports that notion even more.

Bro im retarded. It is passive. I double checked my PM and he initially said i had to lock in in then changed it later to say nvm its passive lmao

Pie was a 1x Bulletproof in Madoka Magic mafia.

So to be clear, it was not phrased as 1x Bulletproof in your role PM?

It is phrased as a 1x.

I'm just struggling to understand why you would think something listed as 1x was passive

Why would the x shot make it not passive? Like whiteflame has incentive to lynch me here and even he would back me up that this is normal phrasing even for a passive role.

And if it was listed as 1x, why Savant would then tell you it was a passive, contrary to his own original role PM

The disconnect here is that you are assuming that 1x somehow means you have to actively use it, which has NEVER been the case.

Nah I'm still unclear. I would expect your role PM to read like this:

You are Luthen Rael. A spymaster and early architect of the Rebellion, you have a wide array of skills that make you an asset to your cause. Therefore, you are the JOAT, and you have the following abilities: 1x Watcher, 1x Roleblocker, 1x Bulletproof.

If it was worded that way, I don't see how you could think your Bulletproof was passive.

That was basically my PM almost verbatim lmao.

And bulletproof is ALWAYS passive. I am making that assumption based on every bullet proof I have ever seen in existence. If it was phrased as a 1x self doctor or something I would assume it wasn't passive.

Or you're having a stroke while talking to an alien. Fun!

idk did I answer your question lol

Either my brain isn't braining or I am talking to an alien right now.

The first one

I’m honestly so confused

Yo can you explain what your PM said to make you think your BP was passive

Nothing in my PM. It is usually a passive role. I asked savant and he initially said it was passive then he changed it and said it wasn't

Waive the NK, wait for Thoth to kill someone, claim you roleblocked that person, now there's an explanation for why you can't verify your roleblocker and you frame Thoth

If I needed an explanation for why I didn't roleblock someone you'd think I would come up with a better 1x role to lie about then roleblocker lmao like how would that help my case?

As to the second, to farm towncred for being initially reasonable before pressing the mislynch

Or... Hear me out... I am actually town and was being open minded.

Lunatic though seems likelier to have framed Thoth so he had a pretense for why his Roleblocker was never verified

Whys that? Also why would I immediately call attention to the possibility of thoth being framed at the start of dp3 if I was the culprit?