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Speak for yourself lol

Ive seen it but ok

You really think Mikal’s bullying tactics would work on WF

I think they work on everyone, even subconciously whether you admit it or not, he works it on you and even me. Hes good at enforcing his will. I've seen it a hundred times

im yay i guess since were choosing the "piss the third party off" route, he effectively has no reason to side with us.

He’s proven to be unreliable.

he literally did what Mikal bullied him into doing lol what you mean

I am down to keep Whiteflame alive if we can stop talking about lynching him. I do believe he’s third party. But if it’s gonna be a repeated issue the whole game then he will have no incentive to side with us in a lylo situation if he thinks we will just back stab him first chance we don’t have a lynch target. So my vote is to keep him alive and never discuss lynching him again. If we can’t commit to that then we just need to nip it in the butt now, but we set a bad precedent for third parties being willing to work with the town in future games

Town Reads:

Mikal- I had thought he was town pretty early on, his excitement about the game and thinking he has everything including the theme solved are pretty good indicators mikal is town. Not excitement itself, but his confidence. Mikal gets confident very easy as town, I would expect that confidence from his as scum more late game. That plus him exposing whiteflame was pretty much town confirmation to me. I doubt that he was able to guess whiteflame was third party as scum here, as pie suggested is possible.

Airmax- Looks pretty good with the flip of the cop, though I don't think airmax is really the type to pull a miller gambit early as scum anyway, its entirely too risky, especially if scum numbers are based on recruitment methods, which airmax also confirmed pretty early. He's as good as confirmed in my eyes.

Kohai- Kohai is probably town. He's giving way too many hints at his character and role for no reason at this point, and I don't see any scum motivation for it, and if he was using the scum fake claim (assuming they even have one) I feel like he would have just come out with it. Also the way hes claiming, and giving multiple options for characters he could be doesn't feel scum indicative, and feels like something scum would know could backfire as he risks being mega cc'ed that way. I am pretty sure kohai is town.

This is my town pile atm, I would have probably had mharman in there for his "plea to mafia" post as well, but hes toast.

Scum read:

Pie/thoth- I am suspicious of these two for a similar reason, though they are doing it seperate from each other. I feel like they are trying to break up the town bloc. I have noticed pie questioning every town read on mikal from the get go, and thoth has been pretty hesitant to townread mikal either. Its especially weird from pie because I feel like hes the town bloc guy and wouldn't be this opposed to accepting people as town, and for thoth its weird when you look at some of the questions he's asking and I don't really see town motive behind some of his questions. These aren't major scum reads yet, just developing. I am looking at these individuals, but I do not want claims from them and think we should maybe look at them further next day phase.

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Everyone else

Wylted

Shining

Vader

wryly

Ultra

This group of people has been pretty inactive. Wylted has had a few big posts, maybe I can relook at some of them, I remember getting town vibes but not enough to full town clear him. We should focus on pressuring inactives for thoughts and opinions going into dp2.

Didn't you claim to know the theme split in like post 11? Dude I respect the effort, but I do not think you are considering the downsides to some of your actions, you just kind of charge forth confidently like a bull and dont give a fvck about the consequences lol

Do you actually suspect kohai? If not I dont see how any of this helps.

Yeah… and benefitting town helps me not at all if I’m getting auto-lynched, man. I’m not here to help one side out of the goodness of my heart. My aim was to align myself with town, and the response I got was “you’re the lynch this DP regardless.” Going through all the effort to get a claim, presumably townlocking Mharman, and shifting to a different target would have still resulted in my lynch, 100%. I was told repeatedly I was dead regardless. So here we are.

No I agree bud, I am saying the same thing. Like I told kohai if you force someone into a corner with a gun and tell them to shoot or else, you can't be mad or surprised when they shoot. I am literally the only one so far that was okay with you living if we found a better target. Oh well. Maybe people will learn not to be so hostile to third parties after this. Though I think the bigger issue is them just not believing you as third party, which also is a bit wierd to me, but i digress/

Kohai you can't honestly be that surprised what happened, happened. You force someone into a corner with a gun and tell them to shoot, and tell them they are dying right after they shoot anyway, you can't expect them to do the noble thing, especially if their win condition doesn't require them to. This is why I was saying it wasn't a huge deal to leave whiteflame alive if we had a better target. Third parties will work with town and usually do more than they work with scum.

Sincerely, I’d love to know what anyone else would do in my shoes. Guess I could have rolled a number generator and picked someone at random, or just shot Mikal under the pretense that scum should have a leg up (still think he’s town, btw). I chose to wait anyway and sheep a widely townread player’s choice. I was the auto-lynch regardless of what happened. The worst you can accuse me of is jumping the gun, and yes, I just got fed up fighting for something that I knew wouldn’t affect me at all. So sue me.

Probably the same but would have owned it lol. If people don't wanna work with the third party, fuck the people, work with the mafia instead and cause chaos. Which you kind of did, unintentionally anyway. Now you just gotta celebrate it instead of care if people are beating you up for it lol.

On that note though, screw you for killing our cop ;-)

No, if WF wanted to help time, he takes the shot after the person has claimed. You’re being selfish cause you’re either scum or don’t want to help town.

Actually not to sling mud at whiteflame, but this is lowkey a good point. If I were whiteflame my counter to this would be that I am third party and dont care, but hes clearly trying to sell that hes looking after towns best interest. Conceding to mikals bullying doesn't really benefit all of town lol

Cop in the game justifies miller so max is hard town lock.

I think most people including yourself were already townreading him though. I guess confirmation is somewhat of a light silver lining here, but I am a little dis-appointed you coaxed wf into hitting mharm but oh well whats done is done.

strengthens my town read on mikal for sussing that out

So whiteflame is third party eh I believe it. If we dont have a better lynch Id be down to lynch him otherwise, I don't really see urgency to lynch him if there is a scummier read.

There are third parties that can with scum or town? Seems too easy.

Mods started doing it that way because people started hating playing as third party and complaining about it being unfair. I'd so most third parties I've seen joint win now

And then...?

Looks like you forgot to finish your sentence lil man

My point here is that I think he's posting, basically to say "hey look guys, I wanna be recruited, which a townie might want!" It would be him deliberately drawing attention to something he hopes will get him townread.

Or he was jebaiting them

I thought I might give pie support. We often support each other's lynches in games until one of us is proven to be scum. Just buying some good will until my reads are stronger.

where the fvck have you been fvcker?

vtl wylted for missing the last like 5 games

I actually disagree with you on this. We were a millisecond away from winning the claim because we didn’t claim DP1 with the Yakuza. Character and role down the line helps determine your motives in DP1. If there is a Yakuza like role, we can use my strategy of finding the original scum. I thought it was pretty brilliant myself

Not sure I follow, felt like you had caught scum on behavior that game

It’s NAI to me. I’m having a hard time understanding why so many people townread him for this. I think they should be looked into right now over Mikal

Could be wrong it’s mostly vibes but it’s an early game read anyway so I’m not placing tons of stock in it.

scarlet whatever thingy btw. Also I will be on mobile throughout the day, so probably no large posts til I get to work tonight.

I’d agree that airmax and Mikal are safe town reads for now. Mikal i think would be excited to play either way.but id expect a different strategy from him as scum then openly theorizing about the theme. Anyways I am going to crash soon I’ll check in later tonight and see what’s up.

I don’t think it’s as simple as you think 

just because it’s pretty obvious the rebellion is scum doesn’t mean it’s easy. There is a recruit mechanic which just flips the game on its head.

basically this ^ DP 1 is going to be the only time any sort of theme analysis could prove useful. So if we wanted to mass character claim or something that’s about the only real use I could see to discussing theme this day phase because dp2 and onward it pretty much goes out the window. Also we are still operating on theories about what the theme split is so while you may have happened to guess the theme split first try, chances are probably greater there is something we don’t know about or something more to the theme unless you think ref made a them split relatively easy to figure out.

That aside. The more I think about Mikal's actions so far, the more I see him as either behaviorally scumlocked or well-intentioned but misguided town. If I had played more games with him, I would probably be better equipped to choose which.

I have a hard time seeing scum mikal just openly disclosing his thoughts on the theme split like that. He could be scum trying to throw us off, sure, but since he guessed the split in like post 11 multiple people have confirmed being in a similar category. His only motivation for doing that would be for town cred I suppose, and since this game has recruit mechanics I guess he could be doing that knowing that giving the theme split doesn't matter, but still feels like a bit of a stretch to me.

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If they can recruit. It’s kinda busted to have 3 so thinking back at that

it’s prob

2 people + recruiting

I don’t think it’s 1 plus recruit so the game ends if we get a lucky kill dp1

Cults are kind of busted in general. You saw how crazy chaotic my game got when people thought there was a yakuza. I doubt there is an everynight recruiter, its either 1 or 2 shot max. Either 1 cult with 2 recruits, or 2 with one, like you said. ! cult with two recruits is swingy but strong. But keep in mind a lot of these town locks you are placing publicly could backfire if we know there is a recruit role, because those are generally going to be the people mafia would target first. So we have to be careful with public proclaimations like that. Kind of like how you publicly confirming me as town last game made me the prime night kill.. Thanks alot for that btw lol

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