Lunatic

I unvoted. But ill go ahead and add my vote to thoth.

VTL thoth

With less than 24 hours remaining, who do you think we should be lynching and why?

Once a vote count happens (so I can assure I don't accidentally hammer considering there is a double voter in play apparently) I will probably start pushing this wagon towards thoth. We need something from him more than what we've gotten to indicate he is town. I am probably more amenable to a claim now from him.

What are your thoughts on recent game developments? Updated reads?

Updated Claimslist:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-c4DFpSyTrkpAlp2t1Ere6zAxCVhgdp4JPuzgXmHBg/edit?tab=t.0

Dead:

Mikal - Empress Dowager of the Great Qing Niohuru Zhenhuan - 1x Jailkeeper, 1x Rolestopper, 1x High Adjudicator (removes favor and places it to another person) - Town (killed np1)

Claims and Info:

Vader- Emperor- Cannot die, distributes favor to the Harem each night.

12, 11, 10 – four favor 1,1,1,1 or 2,1,1

9, 8, 7 – three favor 1,1,1 or 2,1

6, 5, 4 – two favor 1,1

3 favor 1

Wylted-????- Post 41 , dp1-  Miller upon gaining a certain amount of favor, post 15, 30 dp1. 

Magoroth- Bai Ruji- Watcher/Roleblocker/Vengeful (Rank: Concubine, starting 2 favor) - Post 272, 274, 297, dp1. Clarified by Shining in post 77, dp2. (Poisoned and lost watcher ability np1) Post 3, 259 dp2.

Shining- Fuca Longhua- Rolecop- Identified Magoroth np1 - Post 77 dp2, Has a passive called “careful” that tells him what roles visit him. He was visited by a shadow poisoner but not poisoned- post 165, 245, 261 dp2. 

Wryly- Consort Shu- Odd Night Tracker if empress dowager is alive (Tracked mikal to wylted np1) Has a passive called ‘Perceptive” allowing her to see roles that visit her - Post 106, 260 dp2. Has a 1x Even night Cypher at Noble Consort that enables communication between mikal and vader. - Post 310, dp2.

Banana- Consort Rong, the Legendary Perfumed Consort, post 429, dp2- ????- Has two ways to confirm herself but not right now? - Post 195, dp2.

Lunatic- ???- ????- Can confirm there is a poisoner - Post 229, dp1.

Awesome500- ???- ????- Gave one favor to whiteflame - Post 366, dp1.

Unclaimed:

Thoth

Whiteflame

iLikePie5

Known Favor distribution:

Mikal took 2 favor from wylted and gave it to an unknown player.

Vader claims he gave 1 favor to Mikal and 1 favor to wylted. 2 favor from vader is still publicly unaccounted for as well as 2 favor from wylted that mikal handed someone.

Whiteflame received one favor from awesome.

Any thoughts on recent developments?

Wasn't expecting like everyone in the POE pool to seemingly admit to the things I called them out for lol. That makes things complicated because i view humility as a town tell for some reason lol

i understand why I am in the POE.. if it helps ill character claim

Probably wouldn't hurt especially if you aren't going to be posting much.

How is Shining outed as Empress again?

He self admitted to empress in post 291. Don't know why he thought it was super obvious, but yeah.

I don't have any statistics to back this up, but I make no secret of the fact that I prefer playing scum to playing town, and I would think that my activity level tends to reflect that.

I am not really talking about general activity as in a lot of posts, more so the content of the posts. No offense but when I was scum with you in Rex's last game your posts in general felt like they had less substance to them, kind of like they do here. Again you seem to be more of a neurotic thought poster as town, and just kind of post whatever thought comes into your head without any sense of paranoia about the way you come off. I get the vibe as scum you are a lot more worried about that stuff. You asked me about the leprechaun claim multiple times before you claimed it for example, even though you yolo'd it in the end, I would say I had the impression that you felt like you didn't want to make any major mistakes and were trying to be more careful in general up until the point the pressure caught up to you and forced your hand.

Can you explain your POE to me

Sure.

Mago I was town reading based on the rolecop as well as being poisoned, my own role pm mentions a poisoner so we know one to exist. No one else has been poisoned.

Shining and your role kind of sound like two sides of the same coin, your role is confirmed at least with the visit from mikal to wylted. Plus shining claimed empress, not that we know empress is town, but it helps.

You I am townreading based on your role logistics, as well as something you said last night but admittedly there is a lot of conspiracy and game theory that goes into the thing I am town reading you for.

Wylted either is town or has a really strong fake role claim from the mod, because shinings cop makes it likely for a miller to exist. I suppose that isn't the hardest evidence to town read him but it makes him a better option than others at the very least, plus behaviorally I don't feel like he''s been super oppertunistic or really trying to seek mislynches... yet at least. On the flipside I will see that town wylted usually displays more confidence, but I did get that vibe from him when he reaction tested magoroth, he just kind of dropped in activity after that so its made me reconsider a bit. Still overall lean town here, and the early miller claim helps. Someone mentioned that there is usually millers in all games, so its kind of rare to see a game without them nowadays, so again if he is scum its likely a solid fake claim. But the way he described the favor mechanic playing into it kind of makes sense.

Vader is confirmed town.

I know I am town.

So my POE is as follows:

That leaves thoth who has been pretty inactive and not contributing much over the last bit of the game. Last night he promised to catch up and post and proceeded to do absolutely nothing.

Awesome has not done much of anything either, but I am really banking on him being replaced. It helps that he confirmed he gave favor though for now, but he is still POE.

Pie has had no claims and his play feels a lot different than his normal town style, IE not pressuring the miller very hard at all like he normally does, almost seeming to buy it immediately. He's largely focused on pressuring people he probably assumes are "easy lynch targets", you, shining, magoroth. Not that is reasoning is really bad, but I do find it strange that he doesn't seem to be focusing on other people, say Banana, Thoth, whiteflame, myself etc. He has barely said anything about these people. I know pie has been a lot busier at work so I am trying to take that into account as well, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't notice a difference in his play this game.

Whiteflame has been kind of center of the road the whole game, not really posting things that give a strong indicator of having opinions that demonstrate he leans a certain way. He seems like he is being reasonable with his reads and opinions, which isn't out of character for him, but I also kind of expect a town whiteflame to be slightly more decisive and push in literally any direction. I was suprised about the no lynch he opted into on dp1, but then he hasn't really been advocating a direction in this day phase either. I get the vibe the scum team is kind of waiting patiently like a pack of hyenas to see what mislynch oppertunities arrive before we see a sudden surge of activity from some of these players.

Banana hasn't really done a ton either, and other than a late bandwagon on mago last day phase, I don't have a lot to indicate she is town either. She is probably my most null read so far, but again I have been giving her a slight pass from pressure since she says she is confirmable. Again don't know how she will do that any time soon since there isn't a night phase tonight, so I don't wanna give her a two day phase long pass here, but she is largely an unknown entity thus far.

Anyways hope that answers your question about my POE pool.

Banana: She’s done the bare minimum basically. Not much to read about her. Part of POE right now for sure

Honestly have been only giving her a semi pass she says she can confirm herself, but since there is no night phase I dont know how she will be able to even do that for a while.

Thoth: He’s null too. Not many posts. The posts he does have are mainly fluff, which is usually a scum read for me, but I think I’ve been burned on that before with him.

True he is a notorious fluff poster as either affiliation, however looking at his scum and town games, his activity and interest seems higher when he is town, and he seems to be more invested. If he is scum, hes been allowed to skate because the attention has largely been focused on a few people. It's very interesting. If he is town, I think he's having an off game.

Whiteflame: Gut says he’s town read. He has a scumtell that I picked up on in a previous game. He had the opportunity to do the tell, but he didn’t, so that’s also a plus for him

I lean town on him as well.

Honestly, I’ve been struggling to even keep up. I’ve been so busy at work cause of my new role. I’ve been working basically 7 days a week. But to answer your question, compared to some other people I’ve been more active, been analyzing interactions and motives as much as I can. I think the POE has put us in a really good spot

Fair enough answer.

Wym? He claimed Role Cop and is outted as Empress. And she did pressure him. Until he outted that he was the Cop as well and then she backed off immediately

I am talking about the self watching passive that she claimed, that was after shining already claimed it. What is the strategy behind doing that since she is no longer pressuring him by then?

When does it ever? If I live the natural instinct for everyone is that Pie is scum. It’s annoying af

I was actually town reading you hard dp1 and the beginning of this day phase, but the POE pool plus some of your pressure targets have made me question that read.

Any reason you didn't hit wylted as hard with your normal miller suspicion policy? Outside of positing that it could be a potential fake claim, and asking for a character and justification (that we never got and you never really pushed for) you seemed more or less okay with the miller claim this go around.

Thoth is preferable, but I don't really care.

I am leaning that way too but I would really like pie to answer some stuff.

We have til tomorrow at 6pm to decide a lynch, and I imagine with the super bowl me might run into activity issues, so we should start discussing whether we are lynching pie or thoth this day phase.

Unvote.

There is a heavy chance that we will get a replacement for awesome, and we have kohai as a back up. Plus he has soft claimed a favor giving mechanic. I am giving up hope that awesome will do literally anything more than that, so we can lynch him tomorrow if he's not replaced. I want to lynch in my POE this day phase after a bit more responses.

What are your thoughts and reads on the following players:

Banana, Thoth, Whiteflame?

What do you think you have done as town this game that should set you apart as exceptionally townie, or more townie than others?

Everytime we’ve seen a CC with the same role, they’ve been on opposite teams. So either you’re scum or he’s scum

If she is scum why do you think she would claim that AFTER shining already claimed it then? Obviously her intention isn't to CC him or she would be pressuring him

Do you think there is mafia in Pie and WF?

Wouldn't surprise me

yeah im feeling pretty good about shining being town. POE is thoth, awesome, pie, banana whiteflame for me.

jk jk I've never weaponized a fart except at family, who really have it coming if they're being honest with themselves

I thought women never farted!

Leaving aside her info, something about Wryly has seemed off this game to me. Shining feels shiny. Not enough to go off of.

Shining is playing similar to how he has played in every game since the beginning of his first mafia game tbh. Interesting you think there is nothing to go off of with him, wen awesome5000 has literally done nothing.

I feel like if you were town you would be posting more neurotically than this, and would have much much better reads than what you just pooped out here.

We could lynch awesome today, and immediately lynch thoth after, i would be surprised if one of the two if not both weren't scum.

I’d like to see a flip between Shining and Wryly. I’m unconvinced they could have passives that similar.

I really don't like this read. Feels like your bandwagoning pie a bit.

Both those roles seem to mesh with the game mechanics pretty well also. Do you have a behavioral reason to sus them or is it purely off of their role?

You just moved to my top scum read.

I almost feel like a Google Doc claimslist violates the no-editing-posts rule

I've been doing these for years man. I wont update it if I die.

The fuck you do for a living

4 hours later, this is some hard hitting game analysis

Still reading up. Do y'all want me to character claim?

Not yet, if your contributions dont feel super townie to me I might change my mind here, but for now I just want to hear thoughts, reads, and decisions.

updated claimslist.