Lunatic

Updated Claimlist: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-c4DFpSyTrkpAlp2t1Ere6zAxCVhgdp4JPuzgXmHBg/edit?tab=t.0

Dead:

Mikal - Empress Dowager of the Great Qing Niohuru Zhenhuan - 1x Jailkeeper, 1x Rolestopper, 1x High Adjudicator (removes favor and places it to another person) - Town (killed np1)

Claims and Info:

Vader- Emperor- Cannot die, distributes favor to the Harem each night.

12, 11, 10 – four favor 1,1,1,1 or 2,1,1

9, 8, 7 – three favor 1,1,1 or 2,1

6, 5, 4 – two favor 1,1

3 favor 1

Wylted-????- Post 41 , dp1-  Miller upon gaining a certain amount of favor, post 15, 30 dp1. 

Magoroth- Bai Ruji- Watcher/Roleblocker/Vengeful (Rank: Concubine, starting 2 favor) - Post 272, 274, 297, dp1. Clarified by Shining in post 77, dp2. (Poisoned and lost watcher ability np1) Post 3, 259 dp2.

Shining- ???- Rolecop- Identified Magoroth np1 - Post 77 dp2, Has a passive called “careful” that tells him what roles visit him. He was visited by a shadow poisoner but not poisoned- post 165, 245, 261 dp2. 

Wryly- Consort Shu- Odd Night Tracker if empress dowager is alive (Tracked mikal to wylted np1) Has a passive called ‘Perceptive” allowing her to see roles that visit her - Post 106, 260 dp2. Has a 1x Even night Cypher at Noble Consort that enables communication between mikal and vader. - Post 310, dp2.

Banana- ???- ????- Has two ways to confirm herself but now right now? - Post 195, dp2.

Lunatic- ???- ????- Can confirm there is a poisoner - Post 229, dp1.

Unclaimed:

Thoth

Whiteflame

Awesome500

iLikePie5

Known Favor distribution:

Mikal took 2 favor from wylted and gave it to an unknown player.

Vader claims he gave 1 favor to Mikal and 1 favor to wylted. 2 favor is still publicly unaccounted for.

Can you guys both character claim since you have already role claimed?

But I have lingering questions: why does scum Shining say the Shadow Poisoner visited him, and why does scum Shining fake claim a passive like that when Rex handed scum fake role cards that were perfectly safe to claim? Also, why did scum poison Mago at all? He's an easy mislynch target, why waste poison on him.

Is he an easy mislynch though? Everyone was on at the end of the day phase, and enough people town read him when we had the most active players possible in the game that we couldn't lynch him. Honestly made me go into the night phase even more suspicious of him since scum may hesitant to board that wagon, unless the scum is exactly pie, wylted and banana and I am not so sure of that. If they thought he was never going to be lynched though or it would look bad for them to lynch him, it might be better to poison him since letting him into lylo with that vengeful role could be game ending for them. The poison also just lets them keep a chaotic townie alive to muddy the waters of the day phase as well. I don't think poisoning Mago was a bad move from scum, actually it was lowkey big brained.

Have you both full claimed yet?

Strangely no one has claimed a character with any of the roles so far except for Magoroth.

For future reference, there is never any need to tag me for activity. If I'm around to be active, I'll be active without being tagged. If I'm not around, I won't see your tag.

I won't spam tag you, but needless to say you are in a strong POE pool for me, your activity and contributions could help assist with narrowing down to find actual scum, til then my only choice is to lump you in there.

Well share with the class and I'll address it tomorrow.

I am not ready to share it yet, but something you said strangely makes me town read you, where it would probably make someone like pie scum read you. I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist about some things though, and I at the very least don't see you lying but I will need to mull this over and decide if anything is worth outing here.

For now headed toward my sleep routine of Rick and Morty > TikTok > fall asleep with phone in hand > hear a thud as it slides onto floor > jolt awake put it back on the table > finally fall asleep properly > IS IT HEALTHY NO DOES IT WORK YES

I literally do this all the time, phone falling out of my hand. Usually end up having to scramble and look for it under my bed or behind the bedside drawer lmao

When you've made a big board on your wall with pics and newspaper clippings connected with red string you know you've gone too far, my therapist the lizard man in a mask said

Some of the stuff my brain has come up with during this game, its kind of like the big board with the newspaper clippings, yeah lmao. Always listen to mr. lizard man. Goodnight.

I’m turning into a conspiracy theorist and I don’t like it

Something wryly just said is really fucking with me but I don’t know what it means

Holy fuckz I need to think about this now

Scum having an NK and Poisoner is also broken imo. It makes sense if the Poisoner activates with more favor. But NP1 having both is broken. This train of thought has be sussing Shining A LOT more. 

I can confirm a poisoner though broken or not. And I agree it is a bit busted I am hoping it is x shot or something to balance out.

I still don’t buy Mago being Town. Being “Poisoned” seems like a ploy to avoid being lynched these next to days under the guise of, “I’m going to die anyway.”

Also Shining claimed that the Poisoner visited him. Unless there’s 2 Poisoners, someone is lying.

Theres something going on here we don’t know for sure, but it could be the Poisoner has a second role. Either way unless the strategy is for earth to directly try and save his scum buddy and tie them together, it’s not the smartest. And apparently mago dies at the end of next day phase anyway. So I am not sure lynching him would accomplish anything here. If he doesn’t die we can lynch him dp4, but two day phases makes that an easier possibility.

I think you’re dismissing the investigative argument too quick. A Cop, Watcher, Tracker, and Rolecop in the same game. Regardless of the favor mechanic, the odds of scum having at least one of the latter 3 makes sense for the game.

I am not dismissing it out of hand, of the investigation roles claimed I am highly suspicious wryly is a mafia scout atm. Still weighing if her reasoning for tracking Mikal makes sense here.

Did you suspect Mikal at all?

Why Did you track Mikal?

Oddly I am noticing that we have more role claims and a lot of missing characters to match them.

Okay I put together a handy dandy infolist compiled of everything we know so far. Please let me know if I am missing anything.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-c4DFpSyTrkpAlp2t1Ere6zAxCVhgdp4JPuzgXmHBg/edit?usp=sharing

Dead:

Mikal - Empress Dowager of the Great Qing Niohuru Zhenhuan - 1x Jailkeeper, 1x Rolestopper, 1x High Adjudicator (removes favor and places it to another person)

Claims and Info:

Vader- Emperor- Cannot die, distributes favor to the Harem each night.

12, 11, 10 – four favor 1,1,1,1 or 2,1,1

9, 8, 7 – three favor 1,1,1 or 2,1

6, 5, 4 – two favor 1,1

3 favor 1

Wylted-????- Post 41 , dp1-  Miller upon gaining a certain amount of favor, post 15, 30 dp1. 

Magoroth- Bai Ruji- Watcher/Roleblocker/Vengeful (Rank: Concubine, starting 2 favor) - Post 272, 274, 297, dp1. Clarified by Shining in post 77, dp2. (Poisoned and Vanillized watcher np1) Post 3, dp2.

Shining- ???- Rolecop- Identified Magoroth np1 - Post 77 dp2, knows he was visited by a shadow poisoner but not poisoned- post 165, 245 dp2. 

Wryly- ????- Tracker (Tracked mikal to wylted np1) - Post 106, dp2.

Banana- ???- ????- Has two ways to confirm herself but now right now? - Post 195, dp2.

Lunatic- ???- ????- Can confirm there is a poisoner - Post 229, dp1.

Unclaimed:

Thoth

Whiteflame

Awesome500

iLikePie5

Known Favor distribution:

Mikal took 2 favor from wylted and gave it to an unknown player.

Vader claims he gave 1 favor to Mikal and 1 favor to wylted. 2 favor is still publicly unaccounted for.

good to know

Earth = shining btw

If you are town what incentive does scum earth have to rolecop some who full claimed? And what incentive does he have in proving your claim right after you were a prime mislynch target? Him being scum doesn’t make a whole lot of sense from a strategical pov

My problem with it is “okay so we know everyone’s role” now what? Do mafia even have scummy roles? Do they have fake claims? Do we just town confirm a scummy player for having a townie sounding role claim? It kind of completely ignores behavioral analysis. I think we press people who are suspicious and if they claim something wierd under panicked pressure it’s easier to decide if it’s fake. And if they are scummy enough the role technically doesn’t matter anyway. I just see a mass claim exposing power roles and it seems a bit unnecessary in this set up.

On dp2 a mass claim is going to be a tough sell

vtl awesome5000

Your not skating by again

I am surprised no one has made a game based on the Epstein drama yet. Would make an interesting theme

Somehow I just realized your profile picture was Jeffrey Epstein lmao

Still wanting to hear more from thoth wryly whiteflame and awesome, pie too but im sure a lot of these players will be on in the day time.

this post is a bit offensive btw but ill let it slide this once lol

Thank god your letting it slide. Wouldn't want the blue haired word police to come arrest me or anything.

I just appreciate being called a big player.

WHOSE A BIG BOI?! That's right! You are! What a big big boi you are!

On another note, not really game related but I disagree with some of those takes. But maybe it’s just a culture clash issue and not important. I apologize for making it personal, it was not my intention, I genuinely was frustrated because it seemed to me at the time you would scumread everything I said and did regardless of how I answered it, which set me off. Of course, if you read these things in the way you do and it sets off your scum metre it seems more like a misunderstanding than you being scum or whatever. So I want to apologise and go forward with a clean slate between us :) No sense in hating each other in our first game

Oh were good man, trust me I don't ever hate anyone over a game. You can ask pie, whiteflame, mikal, wylted, vader, ive said ten times worse things to them in heated exchanged in this game, and we still love each other, just move on and game again in the next one. Lowkey though I was never mad at you for anything. Literally the only thing that ever gets me pissed is when I feel like people are ignoring me, not listening to me, or refusing to respond to certain things, you at least were responsive to just about everything. I don't see the point in playing a game if im just talking to myself and am getting lynched based on "vibes". Also I may come across on the surface a little rough around the edges because its an online setting and you can't read my emotions, but I was legit pretty even keeled and level headed throughout all of this. I apologize if my scum read on you upset you, it was never personal, just trying to win a game ya know?

I see, that checks out, thanks. Why do you scumread awesome?

Lack of contributive discussion, he hasn't contributed a single helpful thing the entire game, and has been able to skate by unpunished for it. I had my vote on him for most of the last 24 hours, and he never did anything til the absolute end. He came in scum reading you for like all the wrong reasons. He was wanting to lynch you for mikal hinting that he could CC you (which was honestly like the lowest reason to lynch you on the totem pole) showing that he was just okay with any lynch and was willing to hop on the bandwagon. Everyone else on your wagon at least had a decent reason for wanting to lynch you. Also he seems to be ignoring a lot of the pressure on himself. A lot of people have kind of mentioned he is scummy, and he hasn't really addressed any of it, he just continues to skate by and hope people forget about it, but i'll bet you anything he will be there to vote the second someone isn't scum is close to getting lynched.

why did you say “even if you’re Town we can lynch you”?

You aren't qouting me or even including context here when you make broad assumptions like this. You have to realize I was scum reading you more than I was town reading you, I made an argument that you could be town, but it didn't outweigh my scum read on you for all the other reasons. That's called being open minded, despite the continuous accusations that I was being tunnel vision. I wasn't even wanting to vote you or press you for a claim when I first voted you, I only voted you because I realized we had four hours left and needed to come to a decision. And it's my sentiment that mislynching isn't the end of the world, and you seem to agree with that because you express dis-satisfaction in general when no lynches happen, you were just giving an exception to that because you were on the lynching table. In hindsight though I still don't think lynching you was the worst thing that could have happened even if you are town, because like I said, your role is useless once claimed and your unlikely to ever gain favor, you were poisoned (because like I said last day phase mafia were never gonig to let you into LYLO), we've wasted information roles on you now, as well as had to have copious amount of discussion around you allowing other potential mafia to skate by without pressure, and lastly we can afford it. Generally town gets the opportunity to have up to three mislynches, and that number just went up since mikal's role gives us two back to back day phases. So lynching you really might have actually helped us in the long run, though ideally lynching scum is always better, but I also really thought you were scum last day phase also so it seemed like a good lynch. And if I was wrong it would teach me how to interact with you in future games since this is the first time I've ever played with you. I give certain players passes for certain behaviors based on past games and experiences. People like shining though have been mislynched enough times for repeat bad behaviors that we kind of just learn how to adapt to them instead of continuously punish them for it.

I still feel like the questions you asked me, either you had already made up your mind on my alignment, or you just really wanted me dead. Can you explain what exactly you found scummy about my behaviour and why

I have multiple times, but sure, we can go over it again. The initial thing I noticed with you was the constant OMGUS'ing. If thats a term you are unfamiliar with it stands for "Oh My God U Suck" and its a common defensive and manipulative tactic employed by scum to intimidate people away from lynching them. The brain naturally wants to accuse other people of doing something shady when they are trying to cover up something themselves. Similar to how when someones spouse is constantly accusing their partner of cheating, a lot of times its because they themselves are trying to cover it up. The more and more you posted last day phase, the more I was starting to realize you were literally doing that to EVERY SINGLE PERSON who scum read you. I was even giving you a pass on wryly, but then I straight up asked you about that read and you said:

"It seems to me she’s having trouble actually saying anything and when she does it’s stuff like that “Magoroth is erratic and scummy regardless of alignment”, which somehow manages to both 1) defend me and 2) say absolutely nothing, it’s just safe stuff that anyone who knows me can say" - Post 312

So this shows that even your Wryly read was based entirely off of her read of you, again more OMGUS. Then you did it with pie, banana, me, mikal, literally anyone who even suggested you were scum or did something scummy, you immediately scum read.

I was asking you questions and your answers just made you look worse, or were baffling to me. It's not the first time a town player can have common scum tells, IE Shining, kohai, greyparrot, etc, their are many people you just get accustomed to how they play, but having never played with you I am working with a clean slate here and treating you like how I would normally treat any other player exhibiting these same scum tells.

awesome is a bit suspicios and i still think thoth an wryly are townie

I don't really get the thoth and wryly town reads, but okay, Why do you suspect awesome?

im suspicious of big players like you pie wylted whiteflame mostly, I would be very surprised if there was not scum in you guys, but wylted is probably town at least

Why even mention wylted in there then? lol

does it help your poe of me at all if i tell you have at least 2 different ways i can confirm myself? not at this exact second but going forward.

Depends on the confirmation. If its just role, probably not but it could help depending on the role. Your at least active for now, so I don't think we immediately need a claim from you.