Scum would let me into LyLo, they would just never vote me lol.
They wouldn't because it would confirm you making the lynch a 50/50 between them and someone else. You would be night killed before that if scum had any brain cells, assuming you are telling the truth.
Yeah, I'm in a similar boat on Magoroth. I can see the case against him, but I'm really split on him and I'd prefer not to just lynch him at this point.
Heres the thing; If you think this issue will circle back at any point in the game, we are just perpetuating the inevitable. I suppose if you wanted to risk taking him into lylo that could potentially confirm him scum, because scum would never let him into lylo.
It sure felt that way. I remember there was a question you asked me that I answered truthfully and you found a way to go “no actually that’s scum” and that’s when I freaked the fuck out.
I am talking consistencies in behaviors that are common themes among scum members vs noob town. There are variables to factor in every individual, we will find that out if you are town here.
Yes, I can? I can give you an example that happened LITERALLY on this page:
You know what, at this point if I get lynched I don’t really give a shit anymore. I blame the people who voted me. Nothing I did was that genuinely scummy except perhaps for lying about the Framer claim, I get that that’s scummy but why in the world would I claim FRAMER as Scum of all roles?
"I mean even if you are town, a mislynch isnt the end of the world or the game lol Town has room for errors."
How am I supposed to read that in any way other than you basically saying I am probably Town?
Thats not saying you are town, that's me telling people that there is less risk to lynching you as your role has anti town elements to it. As opposed to not lynching or random lynching a potential power role, mislynching a townie whose role could hurt town isn't the end of the world. I am still not sold that you are scum either, but I can see elements to suggest you are town. But we are pressed on time and I see you as the best option atm.
point 2. is that Lunatic’s arguments against me, up until the point I freaked out, were. basically completely ignoring any possibility I may be Town, whenever I answered one of his questions he would fire back with “argument is invalid”, which is INCREDIBLY frustrating when you know you’re telling the truth and people don’t want to listen
I never said your argument was invalid, I just questioned you on decisions and choices. You taking it that way is what everyone means when they say you consistently omgus though.
Notice how Lunatic stops short of calling me Town, he is basically calling me Town without actually doing it. I think he’s actually scum
You literally can't substantiate a single thing you say lol
Ok. Let’s Lynch you then. It’s not the end of the world.
Thats fine, if you think you can get the support for it, go for it.
You know what, at this point if I get lynched I don’t really give a shit anymore. I blame the people who voted me. Nothing I did was that genuinely scummy except perhaps for lying about the Framer claim, I get that that’s scummy but why in the world would I claim FRAMER as Scum of all roles?
I mean even if you are town, a mislynch isnt the end of the world or the game lol Town has room for errors.
The worse outcome of a mislynch here is that we lynch a role that has a high tendency to hurt town anyway. As opposed to random lynching an inactive and potentially hitting a power role. VTNL is an option as well but it kind of extends the game longer than necessary, and makes the 500 posts in this day phase feel a bit wasted imo
Wryly might be scum but at least she’s not an asshat so she gets a pass.
Its kind of funny you think I am being an asshat here, when I have at times been indeed an asshat to people, but im genuinely feeling indifferent here, despite you thinking I have some personal venedetta mission against you lol
See, after you pretty much have to admit I’m town, now I must be RM, of all people!
Now it just sounds like you are trolling because I never admitted you were town.
You are dishonest, what I can’t tell is if this is scummy dishonest or just personality based.
Keep making it personal buddy, like I said, Ill sleep well tonight.
Way too chill on discord to me RM lol
I don't actually think he's RM, I was just getting RM vibes from the constant misrepresenting my point and narrative change combined with the extreme OMGUS.
See DP1 of this game, and you will know what i'm talking about lol: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12881-feminist-mafia-day-1
Thats pretty sus on Mago. I don't trust him not being some Mafia hunter or vengeful, so unless you really want Mago dead, VTNL is what I vouch for.
I am not worried about scum vengeful personally. One for one trade is always worth it.
I just gave one to wylted in post 420, you can use it as well
Open to voting mago, that's a weak town read just tell me why please before I decide
I won't tell you who to vote for, but if you want to know the gist of the read on Mago here is the bullet points
Basically there's a lot of debate about how defensive he is being and whether it should be town read or scum read. The alternative is lynching an inactive like awesome5000 or shining, and risking random lynching a power role. Or mikal suggested a VTNL. Either way we have limited time so we gotta decide soonish
As for Vengeful, Town Vengeful only gets mislynched st MyLo if scum don’t know he is vengeful, yes I could technically use it beforehand but its utility at MyLo is immense
Did the mod specifically tell you that you can use it at MYLO or did you assume based on your pm?
Maybe your just obsessed with asians. The theme is making more sense now.
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Can you ping some players who aren't here and let them know the day phase is ending? Pie, wryly, shining, wylted, and awesome500 specifically. The day phase is ending when I imagine most people are at work but maybe a discord ping can get them to check on their phone or something.
Lunatic dialing down the pressure after I freaked out IRL is actually kinda scummy. He could just say I’m full of shit and keep scumpainting me if he was Town.
ORRRR TOWNREAD IT. Not find reasons why I have to be lynched in spite of being town or why I’m scum. He is almost certainly scum IMO.
Are you actually RM? Because you seem like you are RM lol.
I just can’t shake he’s town. We both are in the same view. I just read it as retard town.
I am open to him being town. Mostly voting him because time is an issue, and I dont wanna random lynch a cop or something, and we already know mago's role is more likely to harm the town than help statistically speaking even if he is town. Its kind of one of those lynches that even if we are wrong it doesn't severely hurt town here.
Tbh I’m good with shooting an inactive.
I'll see what whiteflame and pie have to say. If they think he is town here, I am fine switching to awesome5000, who is really the only inactive left. I believe. Technically shining is inactive too, but thats kind of normal for him, and he will probably make a random post or two every day to appear active.
The claim and character make sense from what I can gather. Works with his role. I just am stuck on his behavior. My gut is saying town but he’s def spastic and tunneling Luna
Not just me, literally anyone who ever pressured him at any point in time or even dared questioned him faced his wrath in some way shape or form lol.
Like I said, strong RM vibes.
At no point did Lunatic ever argue in good faith, he just asked questions to make me scum paint myself, this amn is scum, lynch him after me 1,000,000,000% of the time
This isn't true in the slightest. You continue to mis-represent me. I acknowledged several times that your behavior here seems different from the MAGA game. I just also said I don't think that it outweighs the other behaviors. If I was arguing in bad faith I wouldn't be giving you any such credit.
Okay well, I am honestly lost at this point. Fuck everyone for not trying harder to defend me. I lost the energy but I believe this man is scum. Once you see my flip, please fucking kill Lunatic posthaste. This man takes EVERYTHING I DO and aligns it with scum/no reason to keep alive. Please fucking lynch him. That is my dying wish.\
Strong RM vibes with this post lol
The thing is, to me, I know I am Town and the points you make are like ??? To me. Nobody has ever said to me that reacting to events is scummy, reacting isn’t scummy, HOW you react is.
That's kind of my point though, you aren't just reacting to events objectively, your reacting to events that specifically revolve around you. I initially admitted that you weren't omgusing wryly, but when you clarified your read on her later, it turns out that also was an omgus read based on how she interacted with you specifically. Scum have reason to be hyper paranoid about how they are perceived rather than looking at others and there interactions with fellow players.. Scum have inside information, they don't need to do any hunting. Thus it stands to reason that they are going to be pretty reactive to pressure, and in the past, they have. Really nooby town also can do this I admit, but you've said many times that you aren't a noob.
Mafia isn’t focused on self preservation as much as it is cowardly and afraid, if most scum players get into a 1v1 with someone they usually drop it, flail, stop defending themselves, disengage, etc. whereas town fights because Town is like WHY ARE YOU SCUMREADING ME you must be scum
Like I said above, over reacting to pressure is more of a noob town trait than an experienced town trait. But you did say you haven't played in a while.
He claimed Bai Ruji
https://ruyis-royal-love-in-the-palace.fandom.com/wiki/Bai_Ruiji
Omgus and reaction under pressure is not scummy, man.
It has caught scum before. Sometimes it gets town too, that is why I keep saying this is also a learning lynch. I will understand how to interact with you going forward if you are indeed town here. At the end of the day if your roles are roleblocker/vengeful, you have just as much potential to hurt town as you do scum, statistically more. I don't see a huge benefit to your role, especially now since scum probably wouldn't let you into MYLO/LYLO (assuming your role would even work there, you never confirmed that).
“It will affect how I lynch you in future games”
You are trying to talk me into letting myself being lynched XD how is this not scummy sd
Now you are mis-qouting and mis-representing me.
For someone who merely misunderstands my behaviour, you sure do make a habit out of shooting down my counterpoints to you calling me scum
Maybe because you are a bit heated, but it seems your instant reaction is to omgus, which is a common scum tell for players. Your not responding in a way that really shows you understand why your being pressured so I am trying to explain that to you, and in uncovering your answering I keep finding more things to question you about. You keep viewing it as an attack, and your instinct seems to be to counter attack anyone who attacks you instead of just looking at it from an angle of objectivity. I am not shooting you down, we are having an ongoing dialogue. Sometimes in an online forum setting emotions can get misunderstood. For me this is all logic and being thorough. For you this is somehow a personal attack.
