Possible scum actions:
-Redirect
-Rolestop
-Bus drive
-Vanillize
-strongman
-ninja
-deflector
Possible scum actions:
-Redirect
-Rolestop
-Bus drive
-Vanillize
-strongman
-ninja
-deflector
lol what if the theme split is just magnets
If strongman: Scum can cover for Helz, protect Shining from investigatives/ implicate Lunatic in investigations w/ bus drive, and mess with Bullish
Hmmm. That actually does cover for everything.
No it doesn’t. I forgot about Whiteflame. His vanillized status is unaccounted for.
whatever the combination of actions is, there’s not enough room for all of this
If bus driver:
-Shining scum
-Bullish possibly at mech odds with Helz
If no bus driver:
-Shining town
-Whiteflame at mech odds with Mikal
Regardless: likely 2 scum slots with interference abilities, possible strongman
If strongman: Scum can cover for Helz, protect Shining from investigatives/ implicate Lunatic in investigations w/ bus drive, and mess with Bullish
Hmmm. That actually does cover for everything.
Unless mafia felt Bullish was baiting? Would be some pretty advanced bait and an advanced call on said bait.
Bullish is at mechanical odds with either Mikal or Whiteflame, but not both.
Honestly, this puts town Bullish at odds with a town redirector (Mikal) OR at odds with Whiteflame being vanillized.
Tbh, what are the odds all three slots has some from of interference anyway? Odds seem low.
So one more role to account for, unless strongman.
so mafia’s actions would be strongman Kohai, plus vanillize Whiteflame, plus bus drive Lunatic and Shining.
That would imply Shining is scum. We know Lunatic is town, and I don’t see any reason to bus drive two townies.
Re: #105
This hinges on there being a bus driver. If there’s no bus driver, then we go back to Mikal vs Whiteflame. And Shining is town.
if there is a bus driver, then Shining is scum.
As for the strongman thing: If Bullish is town, mafia should’ve had something for him. TBH, they don’t know if he’s protective or not; they should’ve have a way of knowing. Would be quite the guess.
But if they didn’t use any strongman, then it’s possible they had something for Bullish. At which point they used it and Helz is scum.
So Helz and Bullish would be in a mechanical conflict, assuming there’s a bus driver in the game.
I am picking up what you're laying down though. This all relies on a bus driver existing. If one doesn't exist, either Mikal is scum and redirected WF to Shining and lied about his night action or WF is scum and lied about being vanillaized and who he targeted and what he did.
There’s also ways they could both be scum floating around in my head
RexFavilla wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Mikal redirects Lunatic to Whiteflame
Lunatic hides behind Whiteflame
Whiteflame lightning rods anything that affects Lunatic
Since Mikal’s redirect goes first, it’s unaffected by Whiteflame’s lightningrod.
Therefore Whiteflame visiting Shining (via Rex’s results) should not be possible.
Therefore Whiteflame is scum.
UNLESS:
Mikal lied about his redirection target.
Could Mikal have redirected Rex to someone who visited Shining last night?
Nope. No one targeted Shining DP1. Unless: someone lied about their target.
The acting theory is that Shining was busdriven by someone else, which would allow WF to visit him.
Ok. So that would likely be a bus drive with Shining and Lunatic.
Bus driver switches Lunatic and Shining.
Whiteflame uses lightning rod on Shining instead of Lunatic.
Mikal tries to redirect Lunatic to Whiteflame, but redirects Shining to Whiteflame, but then actually redirects Whiteflame to Whiteflame?
Whiteflame unaffected because his role already resolved.
No chance Shining is a Vanillizer target. So Whiteflame had to have been struck by a Vanillizer while Lunatic and Shining were bus driven.
Kill was on Kohai.
So one more role to account for, unless strongman.
so mafia’s actions would be strongman Kohai, plus vanillize Whiteflame, plus bus drive Lunatic and Shining.
That would imply Shining is scum. We know Lunatic is town, and I don’t see any reason to bus drive two townies.
And would imply Bullish is scum. Because mafia would’ve had no plan for Bullish. Unless: They thought Bullish was protective.
Nvm then
ts is confusing
RexFavilla wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Helz and Mikal are in mechanical conflict.
If we assume Helz is town, the only real explanation we have for his action failing to protect Kohai, is if he was redirected away. Which points to Mikal being scum.
If we assume Mikal is town, then no one could have redirected Helz away from Kohai. Making Helz scum in that case.
I also asked Pie if a strongman could penetrate through to kill the target of a rolestopper and he said yes.
ok
Let’s try this again
Mikal redirects Lunatic to Whiteflame
Whiteflame uses lightning rod on Lunatic
Mikal’s redirect onto Lunatic gets pulled, now redirects Whiteflame to Whiteflame
Lunatic visits Rex like normal
A visit from Whiteflame to Shining still should not be possible. So Whiteflame is scum. Unless Rex was messed with.
Mikal wrote:
FYI you are forgetting the part that wf processes first
I go off "first"
But a rod would pull me to them.
I dont resolve first.
That is per pie
bruh
Helz and Mikal are in mechanical conflict.
If we assume Helz is town, the only real explanation we have for his action failing to protect Kohai, is if he was redirected away. Which points to Mikal being scum.
If we assume Mikal is town, then no one could have redirected Helz away from Kohai. Making Helz scum in that case.
Mikal redirects Lunatic to Whiteflame
Lunatic hides behind Whiteflame
Whiteflame lightning rods anything that affects Lunatic
Since Mikal’s redirect goes first, it’s unaffected by Whiteflame’s lightningrod.
Therefore Whiteflame visiting Shining (via Rex’s results) should not be possible.
Therefore Whiteflame is scum.
UNLESS:
Mikal lied about his redirection target.
Could Mikal have redirected Rex to someone who visited Shining last night?
Nope. No one targeted Shining DP1. Unless: someone lied about their target.
RexFavilla wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
I mean the big question for OoO is redirector vs lightningrod
Redirector is earlier. But redirector is basically Mikal's role but he's claiming it's called 'magnet'
ok
Knowing who goes first there would clear up a lot
Here’s my thought: Scum isn’t going to spend the time targeting Whiteflame with both a Vanillizer and a redirector. So if any redirector Whiteflame, then it was incidental.
I mean the big question for OoO is redirector vs lightningrod
^had something typed there but I am thinking on it more
just hold on
I mean I’ve already decided that either Whiteflame was messed with or he was scum.
Wait a minute.
Of the two living players in your NP1 dream, who do you have a preference for?
Keep in mind any town case on Mikal must conclude that either Casey or Bullish faked their soft claim.
If anyone has champions I’d be down to scrim with them. Pokemon Showdown works as well
lol I got the day and time wrong. Tournament is 5pm est Saturday
My tournament starts at noon est
For those who wonder what I’m doing, I’m competing in a local VGC tournament. Some comic + card game store.
Brining this but I’m gonna swap Klefki for Sableye before the tournament starts, same moveset.
RexFavilla wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
Let's say the person you targeted visited multiple players. What result would you get? Ask Pie please.
Did you get Pie to answer this?
Yeah I asked him this before and he said yes.
Yes to what?
Let's say the person you targeted visited multiple players. What result would you get? Ask Pie please.
Did you get Pie to answer this?