Whiteflame's is the only one found in fiction. Yes Bullish is an atheist but even he should be able to view major religious texts differently than a sci-fi novel.
Ice nine is also man-made, albeit fictional.
Whiteflame's is the only one found in fiction. Yes Bullish is an atheist but even he should be able to view major religious texts differently than a sci-fi novel.
Ice nine is also man-made, albeit fictional.
Pie and Lunatic are the only two man-made apocalypses. I still townread Pie, but it's noteworthy to me.
But with a fake claim provided, I kind of doubt scum wouldn't use it... Unless the fake claim were role only. But the possible theme split here feels too obvious for mafia to fall into such a pitfall.
unvote VTL Lunatic
trusting
Thoth
Pie
leaves
Kohai
Vader
Lunatic
Whiteflame
I'm down to trust Thoth. When mafia comes up with a fake claim in a game said to be role madness, they will want to claim a PR of some kind.
Any future vanilla claims feel more iffy. A second one could be plausible but feels less likely.
At least one statement in the OP is false, and I don't want to go deeper into that right now. I am not an Informed Townie.
-Thoth
Game Info
DDO/DART/DCraft-style rolemad mafia
Not what I was thinking, but it's plausible. This is kind of a debate on what counts as rolemad. Some mods will argue that one vanilla, maybe a second one, still count, so long as almost all of the players have PRs.
I guess “sub characters” would be more accurate there
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/24/2026 at 3:38 PM (post #137)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 11:30 AM (post #105)
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/87/apocalypse-mafia---dp1?page=3&comment_number=68
“I’d say too many people are afraid of mine. A pair of different ways it could go; I know of at least one couple in my town who actually spend time preparing for it.”
The sentence is just true. I’ve seen too many Christians talk about a fear of Judgement Day, there’s multiple theories among Christian scholars about how it would go down, and every family in my church is preparing for it; that comes with walking the path of faith.
Furthermore, the post was worded to leave a breadcrumb:
too = 2
pair = 2
one = 1
couple = 2
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2022%3A12&version=ESV
Revelation 22:12
“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompenses with me, to repay each one for what he has done.”
My character is “God exists and we face judgment”
You might ask, how does that lead to Doctor? The answer is that I got to choose which god exists NP0. My options were Athena, Ra, and Jesus.
I thought this game had a lot more moving parts and bs roles than it actually did, so I chose Jesus hoping to get something really OP like a res ability, and got Doctor, because Jesus healed the sick, the crippled, and the demonically possessed.
So what was your role to begin with?
uhhh I guess a role where I had multiple different roles to choose from but I didn’t know exactly what my options were because they were all characters and I had to choose in NP0.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/24/2026 at 2:07 PM (post #123)
Nuclear Warfare. Not role claiming at this time, especially before a kohai full claim and a Thoth claim.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/24/2026 at 2:07 PM (post #124)
Also still waiting on pie. Anyways going to bed for reals
Interesting.
well, if he's going to bed, we can circle back to him later.
VTL Kohai
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/24/2026 at 1:09 PM (post #118)
I am going to make the decision to focus off Magic unless Pie makes some shocking discovery that makes me reconsider. We should pivot to get some claims from maybe one person. Then I want to look to Kohai. Someone who is usually very vocal in reads seem to be taking a back seat and letting the DP play out and only chiming in when they have pressure under them OR to cast a mislynch vote. I think we need to look at that more since it feels out of character
Finally thank you. If you help me get Lunatic’s claim I’ll help you get Kohai’s.
Where are you bruh
Vader can only be scum if the mafia knew of a cop btw.
Godfather/lawyer/framer has to be in the scum team for Vader to even possibly be scum.
Common scum roles for sure but it’s worth noting.
Unbelievable 🤦♂️
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/24/2026 at 12:56 PM (post #110)
It’s a detailed claim and pretty clear you were laying the groundwork for it for a while. Can’t say I read into the 22:12 line, but I did think that post read as odd and I can see it now that you point it out.
I am a bit confounded by Athena and Ra’s inclusion as possible choices. Ra isn’t the Egyptian god associated with judgement, that’s Osiris, and even if we’re considering all the gods in that pantheon involved in judgement, Anubis, Ma’at, Thoth and Ammit are all further up that list. Athena makes more sense than I originally thought because she has a history of making judgements like in the Trial of Orestes, but it seems like a big pivot from either Judgement Day or judgement after death, which has its own arbiters in Greek mythology.
And that’s how you know there was no research done with the aim of making a fake claim. I would’ve done the research if I were making this up.
I imagine a combination of Bullish wanting specific roles and stretching, plus not knowing enough to find a suitable character for those roles that judges.
It’s just a pretty eclectic slate, even for something as broad as “God exists and we face judgment.” I don’t want to hyperfixate on this, though, so I’m leaving it at that for now.
Could you explain why you said that Pie could confirm you? Is there something else to your role or are you just straight up the Doctor?
Nope, nothing else. I had faith Pie would just believe me and declare me town when I give him enough info.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/24/2026 at 12:37 PM (post #107)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 12:30 PM (post #105)
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/87/apocalypse-mafia---dp1?page=3&comment_number=68
“I’d say too many people are afraid of mine. A pair of different ways it could go; I know of at least one couple in my town who actually spend time preparing for it.”
The sentence is just true. I’ve seen too many Christians talk about a fear of Judgement Day, there’s multiple theories among Christian scholars about how it would go down, and every family in my church is preparing for it; that comes with walking the path of faith.
Furthermore, the post was worded to leave a breadcrumb:
too = 2
pair = 2
one = 1
couple = 2
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2022%3A12&version=ESV
Revelation 22:12
“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompenses with me, to repay each one for what he has done.”
My character is “God exists and we face judgment”
You might ask, how does that lead to Doctor? The answer is that I got to choose which god exists NP0. My options were Athena, Ra, and Jesus.
I thought this game had a lot more moving parts and bs roles than it actually did, so I chose Jesus hoping to get something really OP like a res ability, and got Doctor, because Jesus healed the sick, the crippled, and the demonically possessed.
Alright then, that at least gives me more to work with. Wonder what Athena and Ra would’ve given you, though both seem like somewhat strange choices for Judgement Day. Would’ve expected Ragnarok (so a Norse god) would be in the mix.
I’ll think on this.
Bullish is a staunch athiest who I highly doubt could make a coherent argument against God’s existence… or anything beyond the most surface level bad arguments. I highly doubt he has any substantial knowledge in theology or mythology.
“I’d say too many people are afraid of mine. A pair of different ways it could go; I know of at least one couple in my town who actually spend time preparing for it.”
The sentence is just true. I’ve seen too many Christians talk about a fear of Judgement Day, there’s multiple theories among Christian scholars about how it would go down, and every family in my church is preparing for it; that comes with walking the path of faith.
Furthermore, the post was worded to leave a breadcrumb:
too = 2
pair = 2
one = 1
couple = 2
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2022%3A12&version=ESV
Revelation 22:12
“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompenses with me, to repay each one for what he has done.”
My character is “God exists and we face judgment”
You might ask, how does that lead to Doctor? The answer is that I got to choose which god exists NP0. My options were Athena, Ra, and Jesus.
I thought this game had a lot more moving parts and bs roles than it actually did, so I chose Jesus hoping to get something really OP like a res ability, and got Doctor, because Jesus healed the sick, the crippled, and the demonically possessed.
Fuck this let me grab my full
I should be fucking townlocked. This is bullshit.
*I don’t even lose track of the DP
You guys are fucking nitpicking retards.
Its easy to say in hindsight “oh yeah Banana was the most townread player and therefore the obvious kill”
but you don’t have a glimpse in the decision making without that hindsight.
Does mafia always have to choose the most widely townread player? No.
Can mafia see Pie as a threat? Yes.
Let’s say Banana is the most obvious kill, does mafia have to go for the most obvious kill? No.
Who the fuck cares of if I chose imperfectly according to your standards? I had logic behind it that is reasonable. That should be enough for you people. But it’s not. You are jumping on me because some of you are retarded this game, and some of you are scum. There‘s no way four townies are organically scumreading me. No fucking shot.
Ffs I literally pinged everyone last DP bc I thought the DP was going to end. I don’t do that as mafia. I don’t even listen track of the DP as mafia because I have direct access to the mod in scum chat plus a teammate that would be keeping track of the DP.
I read you as a very specific role last DP. Can you give us all another hint of what your role might be? Just to make sure I’m right about you. I might need your help here.
The fact that two people scumreading me have to be town is absurd.
So Lunatic, Vader, Whiteflame, Kohai are all on me. I’m not going to keep waiting for your input forever. I might just full claim to get the DP moving, but I’d rather you just clear me. Where are you?
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/24/2026 at 2:15 AM (post #78)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 9:27 PM (post #68)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 11:05 PM (post #64)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 8:22 PM (post #57)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #50)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)
Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.
that would be me.
And pray tell what you did
I used a doctor ability on you.
Why Pie?
Because looking back at DP1, I don't remember you ever really having Pie as a strong townread. You moved away from suspecting him, sure, but I never got any indication from you that you thought he was a power role or something worth protecting..
lol still trying to cast doubt is crazy
First off, my early scumread of Pie is irrelevant; I had him as town in my final thoughts.
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/87/apocalypse-mafia---dp1?page=8&comment_number=240
This post doesn't seem like it.
literally just pressuring him to be online. Not a scumread, even in the wording “starting to doubt a townread” still implies a townread 🤦♂️
Second, no one in this game, I felt, had a strong indicator of being a PR worth protecting. I townread Banana, Pie and Thoth. If Thoth had a PR worth protecting, he wouldn't have been so open about his role PM contradicting something in the OP. And Banana and Pie gave no subconscious hints in any of their behavior. Banana was more widely townread, sure, but I chose Pie because he has a history of being fearkilled when town.
So we can safely say that the mafia team does not fear Pie, which points to more experienced players.
I don't think we can safely say that at all. You chose to protect Pie because you thought he was likely to be fearkilled. The fact that he wasn't killed doesn't necessarily tell us that mafia doesn't fear him. They could have preferred another target, been looking for a PR, thought Pie was less likely to be the NK for some other reason, etc. And even if we accept that mafia didn't particularly fear Pie, I'm not seeing how that gets us to "more experienced players." That's another assumption on top of the first one. So I guess my question is: what specifically makes you think Pie surviving is evidence of an experienced mafia team rather than just evidence that they chose a different target?
I would imagine if the scum team does fear Pie, they just kill him. And then they hit their PR hunts with something else.
Thing is, I saw nothing in Banana that made it look like she was an investigative, just that she was town. With the kill itself is possible they saw something I didn’t, but it seems unlikely given what she posted.
I moreso buy the theory that between all their choices, they don’t fear Pie, they didn’t have a good lead on any investigatives, and so they picked Banana bc she was most widely townread and got lucky.
let’s get Lunatic’s claim. I’ll help you get Kohai’s if you help me with this.
Watch how Lunatic completely misrepresents me here. He is not town
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/24/2026 at 2:28 AM (post #81)
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/87/apocalypse-mafia---dp1?page=5&comment_number=146
Pie as "Solid Town"
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/87/apocalypse-mafia---dp1?page=6&comment_number=152
One of two posts he says I’m scumreading Pie, and I have Pie as a townread in this post.
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/87/apocalypse-mafia---dp1?page=6&comment_number=157
Magic scum reading directly after ^
I literally have him as toss up here. Not a scumread.
Ignores the context of 156, where I noted a possible scum slip on Pie.
The reason being I could see one reason the possible scum slip wasn’t one.
Pie gave that exact explanation and the issue was resolved which I explained here
Which lunatic left out
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/87/apocalypse-mafia---dp1?page=8&comment_number=212
This is me just putting pressure on him to show up, not a scumread. I posted the same thing a second time later, with the same idea.
Says he still townreads him but casting shade.
And then he conveniently leaves out:
These were my final real thoughts on Pie.
Idk the progression is and always has felt wierd. Then he goes full "town read on him" and protects him. The protection would have made more sense on one of his more consistent town reads like banana or thoth imo.
yes, I was suspicious of him early, and I did have a moment where a possible scum slip on my mind, but setting that aside, I mostly defended Pie. Why wouldn’t I doctor him? I already explained why I chose him over the other two. Banana and Pie was a closer decision, Thoth was obviously not going to be my pick.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 9:54 AM (post #87)
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/24/2026 at 7:22 AM (post #82)
Also why would mafia target Pie? His clear scum reads were Vader (1) and Kohai. Unless any of them were mafia, no reason to fear kill Pie unless they knew information
Quite a few scum teams would just kill with the threat of him figuring things out.
That being said, there is a point in here that looks good for Kohai.
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/24/2026 at 7:22 AM (post #82)
Also why would mafia target Pie? His clear scum reads were Vader (1) and Kohai. Unless any of them were mafia, no reason to fear kill Pie unless they knew information
Quite a few scum teams would just kill with the threat of him figuring things out.