The fact that one of the three people sussing me has to be town is crazy.
The fact that one of the three people sussing me has to be town is crazy.
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/23/2026 at 11:27 PM (post #67)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 10:34 PM (post #61)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 10:22 PM (post #57)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #50)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)
Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.
that would be me.
And pray tell what you did
I used a doctor ability on you.
Character and justification?
I'm not buying this.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 11:12 PM (post #65)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 11:01 PM (post #63)
As I said earlier the justification and character makes zero sense. I’m never claiming my character as this only helps scum further. We’ve already had too many claims IMO
Can you explain why claiming your character would help scum? You've already role claimed, in what way could your character be worse than claiming your role?
Because scum are only provided with 1 fake role or character claim. THe more character claims we get the more it helps scum narrow the pool
As someone who currently thinks your behaviorally town, man, this isn't a great look. You say that giving away your character claim would be a problem, but you're clearly fine with getting Mag1c's despite him claiming what would theoretically be a role that he could confirm while still alive. Not saying I buy Mag1c's claim either, but this is pretty hypocritical.
noted
In the meantime, I'm going for Lunatic.
VTL Lunatic
I trust Pie, you all should, and if he has enough to clear me, you don't need to press for anything more.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 11:31 PM (post #70)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 11:29 PM (post #69)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 10:34 PM (post #61)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 10:22 PM (post #57)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #50)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)
Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.
that would be me.
And pray tell what you did
I used a doctor ability on you.
Character and justification?
I'm not buying this.
You're not buying a doctor ability?
lol. lmao even.
what's your role, character, and justificaiton?
That's up to Pie. You're not getting anything more out of me.
Can you clear me so we can move on from this? I'd rather not give all my cards away. Mafia was given only one fake claim of some kind, and I'd rather things stay difficult for them.
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/23/2026 at 10:34 PM (post #61)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 10:22 PM (post #57)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #50)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)
Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.
that would be me.
And pray tell what you did
I used a doctor ability on you.
Character and justification?
I'm not buying this.
You're not buying a doctor ability?
lol. lmao even.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 11:05 PM (post #64)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 8:22 PM (post #57)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #50)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)
Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.
that would be me.
And pray tell what you did
I used a doctor ability on you.
Why Pie?
Because looking back at DP1, I don't remember you ever really having Pie as a strong townread. You moved away from suspecting him, sure, but I never got any indication from you that you thought he was a power role or something worth protecting..
lol still trying to cast doubt is crazy
First off, my early scumread of Pie is irrelevant; I had him as town in my final thoughts.
Second, no one in this game, I felt, had a strong indicator of being a PR worth protecting. I townread Banana, Pie and Thoth. If Thoth had a PR worth protecting, he wouldn't have been so open about his role PM contradicting something in the OP. And Banana and Pie gave no subconscious hints in any of their behavior. Banana was more widely townread, sure, but I chose Pie because he has a history of being fearkilled when town.
So we can safely say that the mafia team does not fear Pie, which points to more experienced players.
I told y'all it was up to Pie if I revealed that information.
^^^^^
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 9:22 PM (post #50)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 2:00 PM (post #26)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/23/2026 at 10:07 AM (post #20)
Alright, one of you visited me last night. I know who you are and you know who you are. Confess or be lynched.
that would be me.
And pray tell what you did
I used a doctor ability on you.
What I reveal is up to Pie.
claim option fmpov
Lunatic - top scum read
Thoth - coverage play, for clarity on yesterday
Kohai- going along with Pie’s plan
Do you have anything to elaborate on from yesterday?
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/23/2026 at 5:53 AM (post #14)
My character is false vacuum decay. It’s a fake a quantum state that is meta stable and because I am false I am Miller
I can’t give you free town cred for this bc if someone else were miller, they’d’ve SOPed by now, meaning mafia knew it was a free thing to claim… but only if someone replaced in.
This is not a scumcase. Just not giving free towncred due to the specific circumstances.
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 3:11 PM (post #28)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 4:03 AM (post #6)
With Banana dead, do you think your read on me changes at all? Do you think the people defending me were more likely to be town, or do you think scum could have just let that argument happen?
If not Vader, who was your strongest scumread outside of me yesterday, and why did you not push that harder?
Banana was widely townread. She was a logical choice for an NK off that alone. Possibly PR hunting with her flip, but I don’t know what looked investigative about her in her posts. Possibly luck, but maybe they saw something in her.
So with that in mind, it doesnt change a thing about how I see you.
The accusatory language in that last sentence is hilarious. Vader was my top scumread, ofc I was going to push that. And yeah you flew up my rankings over Whiteflame… why I would I push my 3rd choice when Vader and Lunatic are right there?
this questioning is so fake.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 4:03 AM (post #6)
With Banana dead, do you think your read on me changes at all? Do you think the people defending me were more likely to be town, or do you think scum could have just let that argument happen?
If not Vader, who was your strongest scumread outside of me yesterday, and why did you not push that harder?
Banana was widely townread. She was a logical choice for an NK off that alone. Possibly PR hunting with her flip, but I don’t know what looked investigative about her in her posts. Possibly luck, but maybe they saw something in her.
Couldn’t get Kohai to claim.
unvote
I’ll hammer later in the hour, gonna let people talk things out more.
I agree that we should pressure Kiggans next DP.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 12:36 PM (post #304)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/22/2026 at 10:34 AM (post #301)
Q: Do yall think Vader defends himself harder than this if he’s scum?
If he was town he would be cursing everyone out and saying "fuck you guys", not conceding with excuses about activity and his IRL being busy. Thats always true of vader, dude is always a lower poster over the last few years. But he usually has some choice words for the people on his wagon if hes town. That's like his known town tell.
true.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 12:34 PM (post #303)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/22/2026 at 10:28 AM (post #295)
unvote VTL Kohai
Full claim. Tree stump isn’t all that valuable tbh
Also bro we have an hour and a half left. Yesterday you made a big show out of pretending town was idiotic for letting the day phase end in a no lynch, and now you are going to deter the lynch with an hour and a half left? Not that surprised, but I am hoping others can see the writing on the wall here.
Trying to get info from Kohai =/= trying to deter a Vader lynch.
Im also seeing more activity rn, so we have time to do it I think
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 12:33 PM (post #300)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/22/2026 at 10:28 AM (post #295)
unvote VTL Kohai
Full claim. Tree stump isn’t all that valuable tbh
Lol disregard pretty much everything I said about giving you town credit if vader flips scum LMAO
why? I want info from Kohai. Vader is still my top scum read.
Q: Do yall think Vader defends himself harder than this if he’s scum?
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/22/2026 at 12:30 PM (post #296)
Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/22/2026 at 12:28 PM (post #295)
unvote VTL Kohai
Full claim. Tree stump isn’t all that valuable tbh
No. Not full claiming.
Hm. If Kohai is scum, then the teammate likely used the fake claim already, or the fake claim is being reserved for the teammate.
unvote VTL Kohai
Full claim. Tree stump isn’t all that valuable tbh
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/22/2026 at 10:49 AM (post #276)
READS:
Pie - 100% Town
Thoth - Lean Scum - There’s nothing going on with Thoth that I feel comfortable about. First it’s the PM thing. It’s NAI, I don’t see the need to talk about it as town, but as scum, it’s a conditioning argument. If town is primed that Thoth’s PM isn’t reliable, then they will buy stuff that is obviously a slip. Then I’ve asked him 5 times why he’s voting me. Crickets. Just lurks for most of the day, and then just now moves to Vader, where the wind is blowing. Note that I called out Vader first. Just doesn’t feel authentic to me
Maybe. I’m still leaning town. It’s that his PM contradicts something in the OP specifically. That’s a bold claim as a soft. And it draws attention. Gambit, maybe. But feels like he’s got some town ability up his sleeve
Vader - Lean Scum - I called this out early on before anyone. Another case of go where the wind blows, but if i remember correctly, this is his scum meta. There haven’t been many independent ideas, just an urge to fit in and prevent isolating himself. It’s classic mafia behavior 101z
yeah.
Kohai - Null - We need to push him for a full claim. It gives us a boatload of info. If the claim is rock solid, he’s either town, or has a partner who is effective are crafting fake claims ie Mag1c, WF, Luna.
That’s pretty tempting ngl
Whiteflame - Null - I don’t think there’s much to go with in terms of WF. The block reads don’t strike me as AI; he would do that as both affiliations. Regardless, at 4 hours left, he’s not a target
I don’t know how to feel about him at the present. Maybe still slight scum.
Mag1c - Null - There’s things pulling me in both directions with Mag1c. There’s stuff that’s townie, and then there’s stuff that’s scummy. The townie piece is going after Pie and that whole fiasco, as well as some other stuff like pointing out stuff about Vader. Scummy piece is going after JenKiggans immediately after me at a time where he still suspected Kohai. It just seemed odd to me, but right now, I don’t think he needs to be solved
It was a CFD attempt on a player who hadn’t posted in the game at all, I had thought the DP was going to close at the time.
Jen Kiggans - Null - Not much to go with here
Lunatic - Slight Town - As scum, early on, Luna is relatively lowkey. I don’t see him draw attention to himself with this much back and forth with Mag1c. As scum, he would’ve stopped the scuffle long ago to seem like he’s doing stuff but then looks the other way.
He did after Banana gave him town points for it. But his case is so bad.
Banana - Lean Town - I like the block posts, but I’ll note that it’s NAI for her. I do like the questions she asked me. They were very insightful to me, and it demonstrated she was looking for more information that would help her form reads better. It’s just a unique perspective that I think is pretty challenging for scum to replicate. I also like the mediating between Luna and Mag1c. I felt the same way
This.
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/22/2026 at 3:51 AM (post #248)
Originally Posted by Banana on 9/22/2026 at 1:40 AM (post #245)
i think both of you are kinda talking past each other at this point lol
magic, i dont think lunatic is saying that changing reads is scummy. i think his issue is just that some of the changes feel bigger than the reasons he was given for them. i dont think thats an unreasonable thing to question
lunatic, i also think youre maybe giving magic less credit than he deserves here. he wasnt just like "i reread pie and decided hes town." he said he was putting too much weight on the previous game and once he got past that he thought pies pressure on kohai could actually make sense as a reaction test
i think the bigger thing for me is that both of you are starting to argue about how the other one is arguing instead of the actual reads lol
lunatic keeps saying magic isnt explaining it enough and magic keeps saying lunatic is being disingenuous or trying to control the conversation. neither of those things really gets us anywhere
from where im sitting, i actually think both of you look more town because of this
right now id probably leave both of you as town and look somewhere else for scum because i dont think this fight is getting us anywhere anymore
That's a fair take. I'll consider this.
this disengage feels off
Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/22/2026 at 11:06 AM (post #284)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/22/2026 at 10:54 AM (post #279)
I don’t like either of their claims, though Kohai needs to claim is character ASAP to see if justification makes sense
As I said earlier the justification and character makes zero sense. I’m never claiming my character as this only helps scum further. We’ve already had too many claims IMO
we had some softs and one claim all DP. What do you mean too many claims?
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/22/2026 at 10:27 AM (post #266)
I am a solar flare. My role is a 2x roleblocker. Do with that as you will. Gonna be slammed all day today
Originally Posted by Vader on 9/22/2026 at 10:28 AM (post #267)
The logic was that if a flare was big enough it can fry EMPs causing a blackout
Justification tracks, the role is a common scum role, although town roleblockers have picked up in popularity over the years.
The claim doesn’t really push me away from the behavior.
Keep in mind if Vader is scum, then it means 1) Mafia was specifically given a fake character claim only. 2) The team situation is such that Vader was the preferred option to use the fake claim.