Mag1cman

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/25/2026 at 10:19 PM (post #294)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:11 PM (post #286)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #282)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #281)

Got through Kohai’s ISO. The DP2 feels like towny confusion. The DP1, idk. One thing I did like was him calling the game retarded while Vader’s about to go down… you’d think mafia would be happier, and imo, more likely to feign happiness at catching Vader. It’s all frustration with being pressured early DP1 for a claim.

Only a slight townread atm

hmmmm… I don’t like the hesitancy to claim with a tree stump. Yet if you have that hesitancy, you’d want to claim something strong as scum, right?

Its easier to delay claiming especially if his scum partner used whatever fake claim they had

Eh. My thought here is that if you’re gonna delay claiming as scum, you’re trying to claim something strong. When Kohai claimed tree stump he said “so you can see why I delayed” i don’t know why tree stump would cause delay, but Kohai so boldly asserts that it would that I’m inclined to believe he sees something in that role that I don’t. Probably more than what there is, but I digress

He did soft tree stump fairly early in the game. I’m leaning toward him just believing his role pm is bad and tree stump is worth delaying for Kohai reasons, whatever those are. Feels too scummy to be scum.

How did he soft claim tree stump early?

”Youre gonna deal with me all game long” (paraphrased)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/25/2026 at 10:18 PM (post #293)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 8:52 PM (post #279)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:44 PM (post #275)

Just got through Whiteflame’s ISO. He’s hard to read.

I felt the focus on softing at the start of the game was excessive. Literally everything else doesn’t ping me one way or another… it’s just there.

Whiteflame knowing about his own claim could be a tell. But who knows.

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idea here is that maybe bullish has never read Cat’s Cradle, and the claim is a Whiteflame original

I just think he case on me was so bad not even he believes it, plus a lot towny things about me he ignored. There’s a few other things that I remember that I’ll get to in a bit

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/25/2026 at 10:01 PM (post #284)

I can see sense in either lynching Thoth or Vader, with a slight preference towards the latter.

Is there any particular reason why votes are still up on Luna? Is there an active interest from either Mag1c or Vader in lynching him this DP and if so, why?

Im gonna look at Luantic’s ISO one more time but atm im still down to lynch him.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #282)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #281)

Got through Kohai’s ISO. The DP2 feels like towny confusion. The DP1, idk. One thing I did like was him calling the game retarded while Vader’s about to go down… you’d think mafia would be happier, and imo, more likely to feign happiness at catching Vader. It’s all frustration with being pressured early DP1 for a claim.

Only a slight townread atm

hmmmm… I don’t like the hesitancy to claim with a tree stump. Yet if you have that hesitancy, you’d want to claim something strong as scum, right?

He did soft tree stump fairly early in the game. I’m leaning toward him just believing his role pm is bad and tree stump is worth delaying for Kohai reasons, whatever those are. Feels too scummy to be scum.

1 hr 30

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #281)

Got through Kohai’s ISO. The DP2 feels like towny confusion. The DP1, idk. One thing I did like was him calling the game retarded while Vader’s about to go down… you’d think mafia would be happier, and imo, more likely to feign happiness at catching Vader. It’s all frustration with being pressured early DP1 for a claim.

Only a slight townread atm

Got through Kohai’s ISO. The DP2 feels like towny confusion. The DP1, idk. One thing I did like was him calling the game retarded while Vader’s about to go down… you’d think mafia would be happier, and imo, more likely to feign happiness at catching Vader. It’s all frustration with being pressured early DP1 for a claim.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:44 PM (post #275)

Just got through Whiteflame’s ISO. He’s hard to read.

I felt the focus on softing at the start of the game was excessive. Literally everything else doesn’t ping me one way or another… it’s just there.

Whiteflame knowing about his own claim could be a tell. But who knows.

Just got through Whiteflame’s ISO. He’s hard to read.

I felt the focus on softing at the start of the game was excessive. Literally everything else doesn’t ping me one way or another… it’s just there.

about 3 hours

Aside from the plausibility issue when weighed against the sun discrepancy, and the miller/vanilla discrepancy (not really much of one, tbh)

fat fingered something that got auto-corrected "issue"... this is an EBWOP

For clarity, my position on Vader's claim is that when weighed against something with a similar justification being vanilla, it remains plausible and still fairly likely to be true.

And the sun discrepancy is in Thoth/Lunatic's claims... I'm getting things mixed up, so that doesn't matter for Vader's claim.

The pun in the claimed justification is something I somewhat do not care for. Still plausible, but I feel it does decrease the odds of the justification being real.

re-tooled*

Miller as a fake claim could be interesting. Not one of the best either, but I can buy a mod thinking it's better than it actually is.

I remember I re-tolled my K-Pop Demon Hunters Setup for a live game, and in that game I gave Miller as a fake claim.

First off I was lucky Pie wasn't in that game or my mod-given fake claim woud've been lynched for sure; second, the town alomost did it anyway.

In theory, it seems fine, since town tends to townread miller SOPs these days. But in practice town still might make the miller the utility lynch anyway. So I can see a world, where despite not being the best fake claim to give a mafia team, Bullish does it anyway.

From there we just need to believe Vader was not given a free character.

Aside from the plausibility issue when weighed against the sun discrepancy, and the miller/vanilla discrepancy (not really much of one, tbh), there is still one thing that bothers me about Vader's claim. The thing about being false leading to miller. It's essentially means Bullish made a pun in his justification. He can do this yes, but it feels like extra.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 6:27 PM (post #245)

I don't agree with #116. You could claim Miller when there is no cop if you don't expect to ride it to final 3, when the Cop has to claim.

Of all the roles to yolo claim, that's gotta be one of the worst ones.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 6:32 PM (post #248)

Everything Lunatic has said so far feels so agonizingly fake. I'm sure it's possible he is town and genuinely trying to solve, but it all comes off as so forced. That said, I don't think I have a consistent gutread radar on Lunatic like with some other players on here, and I have been wrong scumreading someone for being overly helpful before. If you are town, I apologize, I know it must be frustrating to be scumread for doing your job.

The logic is just bad.

Vader's claim seems plausible to me. I think Pie is assuming too much about Bullish's setup design choices in #163. That kind of analysis assumes telepathy that we don't have. Two sun apocalypses seem reasonable when they are extremely far removed from each other in time and severity. One will probably happen in my lifetime and will hurt the economy, the other will happen in the inconceivably far future and destroy the Earth.

It does seem plausible, yes.

Re: #87, Pie surviving to DP2 is always at least mild evidence of him being scum. I know that is WIFOMable.

Eh. Just because he is a common fearkill doesn't mean he will be 100% of the time. I would sooner believe scum opted for Banana over him than I would believe Pie's scum.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 6:14 PM (post #242)

Are you okay saying what role you thought I was?

Judge/Governor/whatever

basically a role where you can change the lynch. It's why I said I may need your help.

A lynch will occur when a player achieves a majority of the votes. When this has happened, any subsequent votes and unvotes will not be counted, and the game will enter twilight, where players may discuss. Night will begin as soon as I have declared the lynch

DP ends at 11:30pm EST tonight

nice

imma go do some other things for the next few hours

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/25/2026 at 11:16 AM (post #221)

VTL Vader

given no one hinted to or claimed cop I’m gonna assume miller is a fake claim

i rate this pivot a meh

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/24/2026 at 9:44 PM (post #161)

Yes, I am a vanilla townie, which, as Mag1c noted, means the game is not rolemad per my understanding of rolemad, hence why I said the OP was wrong. My 'character', i.e., apocalypse, is the Sun turning into a red giant and swallowing the Earth. Justification is that this will happen in a billion years, so almost nobody today cares about it or preps for it. Actually, this will happen in about five or six billion years, and Bullish was probably thinking of the Sun becoming hot enough to boil the oceans and kill most or all known forms of life, which is a bit less apocalyptic. I thought whiteflame might be vanilla because one vanilla often means multiple vanillas and I figured his PM might have a similar justification to mine since he claimed that it's something preppers don't normally care about.

Slightly different justification from Vader's

Thoth's will happen, but in the extremely distant future

Vader's is unlikely to happen at all... Vader's claim does rely on Bullish making a pun about "false" vacuum decay.

If I had to pick between the two, Vader's is worse.

But I can see a world where Bullish made the pun because why not. This doesn't have to be a dichotomy either.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 9:47 AM (post #217)

Originally Posted by Vader on 9/23/2026 at 5:53 AM (post #14)

My character is false vacuum decay. It’s a fake a quantum state that is meta stable and because I am false I am Miller

hmmm

that's not what "false" means in this situation, doing a little research on what vacuum decay is. It is true, however, that quantum physicists believe a catastrophic event of this kind is extraordinarily unlikely.

even that could be mod inconsistency though

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 4:00 AM (post #209)

Lunatic can you fucking stop fucking using fucking ChatGPT to write your fucking analysis

i'm pretty sure he's just organizing his reads. i've seen people format their reads like that long before the dawn of gpt

Originally Posted by Vader on 9/23/2026 at 5:53 AM (post #14)

My character is false vacuum decay. It’s a fake a quantum state that is meta stable and because I am false I am Miller

hmmm

that's not what "false" means in this situation, doing a little research on what vacuum decay is. It is true, however, that quantum physicists believe a catastrophic event of this kind is extraordinarily unlikely.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/25/2026 at 1:11 AM (post #204)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 11:32 PM (post #200)

With Thoth being the only vanilla, the pattern fits. Behaviorally, I find it crazy that mafia would want to fake-claim vanilla, and soft something so attention-drawing as their first post in the whole game.

Problem is that Vanilla could be the fake role claim given by Bullish in this exact scenario. Theres also the fact that I’m like 99% sure that Thoth knows rolemadness doesn’t mean 0 vanillas exist every time.

Maybe? Pretty difficult for mafia, but possible. As for the latter, unsure.

But also, the justification. You can’t do anything about vaccum decay either, but that’s a Miller. There’s an inconsistency

I can easily buy a mod inconsistency here tbh. Let me go take a look at those justifications, hold on a sec.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/25/2026 at 12:02 AM (post #193)

Whiteflame's is the only one found in fiction. Yes Bullish is an atheist but even he should be able to view major religious texts differently than a sci-fi novel.

Ice nine is also man-made, albeit fictional.

I am wrong. I forgot about Kohai's zombie apocalypse.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/25/2026 at 1:00 AM (post #201)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/24/2026 at 10:29 PM (post #199)

Observing previous Bullish games

https://web.archive.org/web/20251015005929/https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12683-jet-fighters-mafia-endgame - 1 Vanilla

https://web.archive.org/web/20250716065929/https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5494-crimes-mafia-endgame - 1 Vanilla

https://web.archive.org/web/20250714201327/https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4890-technology-mafia-endgame - 2 Vanillas

Good info to know. Given the games are older, I will take that with a grain of salt. But its not hard to believe a single vanilla would exist in any games template tbh.

they're his most recent games. Mime mafia was skipped over due to it being a gimmick game

With Thoth being the only vanilla, the pattern fits. Behaviorally, I find it crazy that mafia would want to fake-claim vanilla, and soft something so attention-drawing as their first post in the whole game.

Observing previous Bullish games

https://web.archive.org/web/20251015005929/https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12683-jet-fighters-mafia-endgame - 1 Vanilla

https://web.archive.org/web/20250716065929/https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5494-crimes-mafia-endgame - 1 Vanilla

https://web.archive.org/web/20250714201327/https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4890-technology-mafia-endgame - 2 Vanillas

Are you vanilla? Yes or no.