Magoroth

Alpha Spirit Wolf (Godfather)

Beta Spirit Wolf (Consigliere) 

Omega Spirit Wolf (Strongman/Tracker/Watcher) 

Shaman (White Mage)

Hunter (Vigilante)

Spiritualist (Sheriff)

Random Tribesman

Random Tribesman

Random Tribesman

Tribesman (Citizen)

Tribesman (Citizen)

Tribesman (Citizen)

Virus

Rolecards

Spirit Wolves

Alpha Wolf

You have final say investigation and night kill.

As long as beta is alive you are night kill immune and immune to poison

As long as omega is alive you are investigation immune

Beta Wolf

Each Night you may check someone for their role (Spirit will show as such)

If Alpha is to be lynched you will become the new alpha.

As long as you are alive, Alpha can not be killed.

Omega Wolf

Once in the game you may make the kill bypass the white mage protection.

Every night you may watch 1 player to see who they visit and who visits them - cannot be

used the same night as the kill bypass.

You do not become beta or alpha on their death.

As long as you are alive, the Alpha is investigative immune..

Town

Shaman (White Mage)

Each night you may target someone and use the spirit of the bear to protect them from a single attack.

This protection will last 1 night

Neither you nor the player will be informed if a heal is successful

Targeting a scum will protect them for that night

The night after someone is protected they will show up as a Spirit Wolf to the Spiritualist due to the bear’s presence

Hunter (Vigilante)

You can shoot someone at night, limited to 2 shots.

Spiritualist (Sheriff)

Each night check someone to see if they are a spirit

Results will come back as Not a Spirit Wolf/ Spirit Wolf

The Shaman cannot protect you, if you are targeted by the Shaman you will be role blocked but learn his/her identity.

Spirit Tracker (Detective)

Track one person each night, seeing who they visit. If the Omega Wolf is alive the Alpha

wolf appears to be an inactive Citizen.

Tribesman/Local Citizen

You have the power of voting

Virus

The Virus may choose from 1 of the 2 abilities:

1) At night infect someone with a Virus. The person who is infected will randomly die the next day (decided by 48h RNG). If a wolf attacks, kills, and eats

that person the same night they are infected, the wolf will become infected instead; the player 

attacked still dies. If the player is protected that night, the player is still infected, and not the wolf.

2) At night release a highly contagious Virus at someones camp. Anyone who visits that player that 

night will become infected and die

within 96 hours (RNG). Players who do not visit are considered visiting themself, and will be infected.

This becomes 48 hours if all 3 wolves are dead.

The Shaman protects against Virus infection the night of being infected. If the player is attacked

on the same night they are infected - the shaman is too busy protecting from the wolf to realize 

that the player they are protecting was infected.

If the Virus is lynched during the day, the town is cured of anyone who is currently infected (and alive).

If the Virus is killed at night (even by vigilante), any wolf that is infected is now cured.

The Virus is immune to day 1 lynch.

The Virus may target himself and is immune to infection.

If someone gets infected again while already infected, they become contagious and anybody

who visits them until their death becomes infected as well.

Each person infected gets their own RNG; except for if a wolf eats an infected player, then they inherit

the remaining time that player has.

If the Beta wolf is alive and the alpha wolf gets infected, the alpha wolf will become sick the following night and not be able to attack. The Alpha wolf will not be notified until the night is over that he has become sick.

If someone dies by infection, they are notified by the host, a message is posted up that they have died and they are to immediately stop posting. Their role will not be revealed until the end of that day; if they die at night, it will say that they were found dead from a Virus and their role will be revealed. Vote-count will also be changed accordingly with the post of their death.

Wincons

Spirit Wolves: Gain living majority and/or have nothing from preventing it

Town: Eliminate the Spirit Wolves, Virus, and have a living player.

Virus: Be the last player alive or bring the game to 1v1. Virus wins all ties while living.

% Town Randoms

0 TPR = 12.4%

1 TPR = 28.2%

2 TPR = 45.4%

3 TPR = 14%

Order of Operations

1. Strongman kills
2. White Mage heals
3. Virus infects
4. Hunter and Spirit Wolves kill
5. Investigative Results

Mechanics

72 hrs days

24 hrs night

Lynch is plurality with majority, top voted player at EoD dies, ties resolved by RNG; if anyone attains >50% of the vote, they die and the day ends

If day starts and nobody is alive the game will be declared a draw

Current Games:

None

Sign-ups:

Helz

In the Hopper:

Rex - Female rappers

Magoroth - Spirit Wolves

Thoth - Smiling Friends

Kohai - TBD

Whiteflame - Dungeon Crawler Carl or Princess Bride

Banana

Pie

Lunatic

On Hold:

Wylted - Lulsec

Mag1cman

Casey_Risk

Shining

Mikal - re zero

Originally Posted by Kohai on 18/10/2026 at 4:26 (post #16)

Kinda want to bump this thread and restart the discussion after previous game using a blackmailer mechanic.

Silencer isnt bastard, pure Blackmailer that can make demands of players is 100% bastard (if not announced before hand).

Cults are most certainly not bastard, just annoying as hell.

on that note my definition of bastard is quite different, if multiples of a power role exist in a game I would not consider that bastard. Similarly i dont think having hidden mechanics about your role that you are not privy to is bastard.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 05/10/2025 at 7:02 (post #1)

Over the past few games several mechanics would have been deemed bastard on sites like MS and MU. The question I want to propose is whether or not a game mod should warn players in advanced if bastard mechanics exist. Mechanics include:

1. Alignment changing roles like cults or recruiters
2. Games where the moderator lies to people in their role PMs
3. Games where moderators give fake flips
4. Games where scum team can edit a flip PM to throw off town

Many of these elements can be fun to play with, but not all players want to play in games with bastard mechanics.

On DebateCraft how should moderators inform players of bastard mechanics?

People should be required to disclose if a setup is bastard IMO

Originally Posted by Kohai on 11/11/2026 at 23:48 (post #63)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 11/11/2026 at 5:43 PM (post #62)

Full Godfather in a 2-scum game is retarded, especially with scum having another ability that interferes with Cop results. What good is 40% of a cop?

For more information, look up "40% cops"

This I agree with. In a 9 player game the only balance to a cop mafia really needs is:

1) A miller / hidden miller

2) A x shot framer or lawyer

Miller’s not a balance to Cop, the instant you claim Miller nobody will check you unless they’re either retarded or they think you’re pulling off some weird FPS and you would show up as TOWN for some reason

Let’s not forget about the Cop which was literally the only role that we countered.

Town has a Tracker, fucking Governor Miller, Bus Driver, Doctor, and you complain about Godfather? Are you for real? We couldn’t even counter all of these roles at once, we were naked. Town was loaded as fuck. Don’t complain about balance, this game was townsided as shit.

I’m not complaining, thanks for hosting the game Lunatic, I enjoyed it, but scum was anything but too strong. We were too weak.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 11/11/2026 at 21:05 (post #53)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/11/2026 at 2:57 PM (post #52)

Active PGO is the usual rule and it’s typixally town only but I have literally only ever seen the role once, so its kind of a moot point.

But how does it even work? You get to pick which night your ability becomes active?

Yes

Active PGO is the usual rule and it’s typixally town only but I have literally only ever seen the role once, so its kind of a moot point.

I was prepared to switch to voting Banana, since Helz indicated he wanted the game to continue, then Rex would probably see it as uber scummy since me And Wylted being a team was still a possibility in his view, and then I would get bussed, but Helz hammered before I ahd a chance to vote

Well played Town. We got lucky as fuck this game.

But two things -

My plan was to drop Bulletproof for Soldier from the start, cause I figured nobody would possibly believe Bulletproof but it could match a Soldier motivation to try to make it to end game.

We figured out Pie was cop on Night 2, as he had both of us outside his PoE, especially me and I was inactive.

@Rex I want to vote Banana since it should be pretty clear to you theres no way im scum with helz as he hammered neither me nor Wylted, and the insane conspiracy theory that I could be scum with Wylted is just bonkers, theres no way you actually beliebe that right?

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/11/2026 at 17:50 (post #393)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/11/2026 at 9:49 AM (post #391)

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/11/2026 at 12:55 (post #343)

if you are town it's not too late to save the game and hammer mago here.

This theory never existed and you just conjured it up out of thin air, who tf thinks me and Banana are a team?

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/11/2026 at 13:03 (post #359)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/11/2026 at 5:01 AM (post #356)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/11/2026 at 6:59 AM (post #350)

unvote quick, im am not hammering u. if u are town that should prove that i am not scum. if you are scum, well then i guess wylted was smart here

You can't hammer me, I only have one vote on me. And it's 7 AM most people aren't logged on.

really think about this.

mechanically magi is confirmed scum based on voting patterns. think about it for like 2 seconds what me not hammering means here. if ur town u r throwing

Or wylted and you are scum.

then why havent i hammered rex? its impossible for me to be scum with wylted. use ur brain

Rex is at L-2.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/11/2026 at 17:49 (post #392)

VTL: Magoroth

didnt realize my vote didnt count

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/11/2026 at 17:49 (post #392)

VTL: Magoroth

didnt realize my vote didnt count

No you

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/11/2026 at 12:55 (post #343)

if you are town it's not too late to save the game and hammer mago here.

This theory never existed and you just conjured it up out of thin air, who tf thinks me and Banana are a team?

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/11/2026 at 13:03 (post #359)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 11/11/2026 at 5:01 AM (post #356)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/11/2026 at 6:59 AM (post #350)

unvote quick, im am not hammering u. if u are town that should prove that i am not scum. if you are scum, well then i guess wylted was smart here

You can't hammer me, I only have one vote on me. And it's 7 AM most people aren't logged on.

really think about this.

mechanically magi is confirmed scum based on voting patterns. think about it for like 2 seconds what me not hammering means here. if ur town u r throwing

Or wylted and you are scum.

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/11/2026 at 12:55 (post #343)

if you are town it's not too late to save the game and hammer mago here.

This theory never existed and you just conjured it up out of thin air, who tf thinks me and Banana are a team?

wylted is so obviously scum its not even funny lol

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/11/2026 at 10:09 (post #326)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/11/2026 at 1:54 AM (post #325)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/11/2026 at 9:37 (post #324)

also say what u will about our site and its meta, but 300+ posts in lylo with only 5 players left and half the dp remaining is a lot of content to work through. i think at this point it is more about getting everyone aligned on the same thinking that we are struggling with. but thats pretty healthy for lylo i think

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/11/2026 at 4:45 (post #301)

my next game it's 24 hours days and 12 hour nights just to teach you guys proper pacing

Then my next one will be MS style, days last one week and 48h and no early hammers

note to self: skip that game

Lmao

I won’t actually do this. I prefer 48h days anyways, find 72h a little long. But demanding people speed hammer is just... dumb. You will never see me doing this. If I do this, it means one of two things

a) There’s a scum role that has a day action and we absolutely cannot afford to let them use it

b) I am scum

Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/11/2026 at 9:37 (post #324)

also say what u will about our site and its meta, but 300+ posts in lylo with only 5 players left and half the dp remaining is a lot of content to work through. i think at this point it is more about getting everyone aligned on the same thinking that we are struggling with. but thats pretty healthy for lylo i think

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/11/2026 at 4:45 (post #301)

my next game it's 24 hours days and 12 hour nights just to teach you guys proper pacing

Then my next one will be MS style, days last one week and 48h and no early hammers

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 20:51 (post #246)

Lets keep it civil. I do not want to deal with a flame war.

Fair, but it’s kinda hard from my side unless I literally ignore everything Wylted says and just talk to Banana/Rex/you

“I will dab on. you” so you want to dab on someone you think is a retard? Congrats, you are smarter than a retard, wear that as a badge of honour

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 20:50 (post #243)

Anyone telling people they are smart over and over is obviously not that smart.

am I calling myself smart or just telling others they are stupid?

Wtf is the difference LMAO

At least Banana give me something to respond too even though she’s scum. She plays the game. I feel bad for her for having you as her scum partner ngl. I can only imagine what scum chat must look like

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 20:41 (post #233)

helz, watcher and tracker is two different roles. track follows somebody to see who they visit. watcher watches somebody to see who visited them.

yes I mixed up the names because I closely associate them but it doesn't have the same function

I dunno why anyone even plays with you. It’s just insults upon insults and then acting condescending because you’re so incredibly insecure. This point you keep harping on as a great victory isn't even as wild as you make it out to be, just a shitty role that anyone could have. You see me telling people to suck my dick because I correctly scumread Thoth from one post or called out Rex as scum literally in my first post last game? Anyone telling people they are smart over and over is obviously not that smart.

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:26 (post #200)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:21 AM (post #196)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:19 (post #193)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #184)

Makes you as culpable.

no it doesnt. I was in favour of pressuring wryly the intent wasnt to turbolynch. This argument can be used for literally anyone voting anyone ever. I didnt expect the day to end early and I most certainly didnt expect anyone to hammer before wryly even posted. Again, this argument makes sense only if you think both Wylted and I are scum and you obviously d

at the end of the day any town lynch should have the wagon scrutinized. at the end of the day u were on the lynch. if u think i am scum u have to sell that town fell hard on their own sword with only 1 scum max on the lynch. ur excuse could be valid if we choose to buy it, but by that logic there’s never value to looking into wagon analysis if we just naively buy everyone’s excuses for being on it.

not to mention you were on two mislynches not just wrylys

I did not vote Thoth, I was literally AFK D1. Maybe check your claims before you try to paint.

but again - the reason why you when bring tjis up is because you are scum. I do not think about how many mislynches I was on as Town, simply doesnt occur to me

more importantly, you did not vote at all, and that’s scummy because scum are afraid of votinf

i did not vote dp1 because there wasn’t another option it’s something that has been complained about by others many times. the only option was Thoth who I wasn’t feeling as scum.

you were off the lynch on do2, this is not a point in your favour you realize that right?

also - just for the sake of argument. Lets assume you are town. What would your reaction be if I flip Town?

So yeah I think banana wylted is simplest and if its either rex or helz GG what can I say, please hammer so whoever is Town in the ppl voting me can look really stupud, hopefully wylted

TBH there is a tiny possibility Helz is scum and one of banana wylted is town as hes the only one I can actually see extending the game right now when we could hammer but i dont think its likely

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:19 (post #193)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:10 AM (post #184)

Makes you as culpable.

no it doesnt. I was in favour of pressuring wryly the intent wasnt to turbolynch. This argument can be used for literally anyone voting anyone ever. I didnt expect the day to end early and I most certainly didnt expect anyone to hammer before wryly even posted. Again, this argument makes sense only if you think both Wylted and I are scum and you obviously d

at the end of the day any town lynch should have the wagon scrutinized. at the end of the day u were on the lynch. if u think i am scum u have to sell that town fell hard on their own sword with only 1 scum max on the lynch. ur excuse could be valid if we choose to buy it, but by that logic there’s never value to looking into wagon analysis if we just naively buy everyone’s excuses for being on it.

not to mention you were on two mislynches not just wrylys

I did not vote Thoth, I was literally AFK D1. Maybe check your claims before you try to paint.

but again - the reason why you when bring tjis up is because you are scum. I do not think about how many mislynches I was on as Town, simply doesnt occur to me

more importantly, you did not vote at all, and that’s scummy because scum are afraid of votinf