Magoroth

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:15 (post #190)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:13 AM (post #188)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:07 (post #181)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:04 AM (post #178)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:59 (post #177)

i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.

first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.

second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.

third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.

and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.

i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.

i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved

How am I to blame for someone quickhammering when I was AT WORK. This argument makes no sense unless you think Wylted and I are both scum.

u aren’t solely to blame but my point is u being on the lynch makes u just as culpable. u can throw a stone at Wylted for this when u live in a glass house

Again, youre not even considering the possibility that Rex might ge scum just because of his role. What gives. Miller is a perfect fakeclaim for scum, and tying it in to some char is really fucking easy lol

i explained why i was leaning town on him, but like i said to helz maybe i am jumping to that too fast. it’s possible rex is scum. we can evaluate that tomorrow and ill look at it with fresh eyes

Also, theres a difference between absolute cettainty and considering all possibilities, which you clearly havent. Again, Rex is completely off your radar, this makes no sense for Town you.

not completely off, but his character makes a lot of sense with miller.

thats a pretty weak reason to be so sure of someone’s alignment at LyLo. pretty sure literally everyones character works as their actual role this game so tjis is a moot point

i did say I would look at his slot with fresh eyes tomorrow. the only one I feel pretty convinced is scum is you, because you haven’t been hammered yet and I’m town

why not think about it today then, since if you are Town you need to figure out teams ASAP? Whats the point in lynching a scum fypov today if tomorrow they gwt a free pass?

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:11 (post #187)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:05 AM (post #180)

Also your 1st argument doesnt work either. How would me blending in work at alk if I claim my actual role? Pointless

u don’t need to be completely inactive for soldier to work. of if I were busy that’s one thing, I’d accept that over lurking but this just reads as an excuse that didn’t even need to be made. u don’t help ur wincon as town by not playing, being in every mislynch and just praying scum don’t kill u ever. it’s certainly a strategy just not a good one

it did work, im still here. You realize how powerful this role is? Lurk to victory, worst case scenario I would get a replacement warning and I would be forced to lurk a little less, scum would just think im busy since someone whos lurking can be a power role, someone whos not posting isnt playing the game at all. Can be used in a lylo scenario.

if i were a little active i would probably get shot or investigated and then shot or lynched, they would realize im pr and kill me.

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:07 (post #181)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 11:04 AM (post #178)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:59 (post #177)

i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.

first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.

second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.

third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.

and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.

i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.

i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved

How am I to blame for someone quickhammering when I was AT WORK. This argument makes no sense unless you think Wylted and I are both scum.

u aren’t solely to blame but my point is u being on the lynch makes u just as culpable. u can throw a stone at Wylted for this when u live in a glass house

Again, youre not even considering the possibility that Rex might ge scum just because of his role. What gives. Miller is a perfect fakeclaim for scum, and tying it in to some char is really fucking easy lol

i explained why i was leaning town on him, but like i said to helz maybe i am jumping to that too fast. it’s possible rex is scum. we can evaluate that tomorrow and ill look at it with fresh eyes

Also, theres a difference between absolute cettainty and considering all possibilities, which you clearly havent. Again, Rex is completely off your radar, this makes no sense for Town you.

not completely off, but his character makes a lot of sense with miller.

thats a pretty weak reason to be so sure of someone’s alignment at LyLo. pretty sure literally everyones character works as their actual role this game so tjis is a moot point

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 19:09 (post #182)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/10/2026 at 10:53 AM (post #173)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:51 (post #171)

also for anyone worried about me being scum I would like to remind everyone that I have not been apart of any of the mislynches, so unless u think scum just was lucky town fell on their sword with only one scum max in each lynch u have to admit this is a compelling argument in my favor

Why do you even remember if you were a part of any mislynches or not?

because I argued avidly that thoth was a low hanging fruit lynch and the wryly one took me off guard completely. i never even realized she was close to being lynched

But why would a Town even think abour whether they were a part of a mislynch? This is the type of thing scum says to give themselves credibility, whiteknighting badically.

Makes you as culpable.

no it doesnt. I was in favour of pressuring wryly the intent wasnt to turbolynch. This argument can be used for literally anyone voting anyone ever. I didnt expect the day to end early and I most certainly didnt expect anyone to hammer before wryly even posted. Again, this argument makes sense only if you think both Wylted and I are scum and you obviously dont

Also your 1st argument doesnt work either. How would me blending in work at alk if I claim my actual role? Pointless

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:59 (post #177)

i think we're overlooking how many things actually stack up against mago here.

first, his early activity was pretty suspicious. he basically admitted that he was trying to blend in, which is a weird explanation to give when his initial plan wasnt even to claim soldier. he only really started becoming active once he was under pressure, which feels more reactive than genuine solving.

second, he tries to distance himself from wylted's hammer as if he wasnt equally responsible for it. he was voting there too. you cant just shift the blame onto wylted when you were participating in the exact same decision.

third, look at how he reacts when i vote him. instead of really addressing the reasons i gave, he immediately goes to telling rex to vote wylted or me if he dies. pretty convenient positioning for someone who supposedly has nothing to worry about.

and mechanically, the poe makes the most sense with mago here. rex's claim is stronger, and the alternative worlds require a lot more assumptions to work. we're not just voting mago because we have a vague bad feeling. we're voting him because his behavior, his positioning, and the mechanical situation all point in the same direction.

i dont think we need absolute certainty to make this vote. i think we need to recognize which world requires the fewest excuses, and thats the one where mago is scum.

i am willing to drop the “Helz is automatically his scum partner” argument for now, as i will probably weigh everything from scratch tomorrow anyway. and i admit i am prolly giving Rex more town cred than deserved

How am I to blame for someone quickhammering when I was AT WORK. This argument makes no sense unless you think Wylted and I are both scum.

Again, youre not even considering the possibility that Rex might ge scum just because of his role. What gives. Miller is a perfect fakeclaim for scum, and tying it in to some char is really fucking easy lol.

Also, theres a difference between absolute cettainty and considering all possibilities, which you clearly havent. Again, Rex is completely off your radar, this makes no sense for Town you.

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 18:57 (post #174)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:49 AM (post #170)

i get that you want me to engage with the pie tmi but i think your putting way too much weight on it. it doesn't change the bigger picture of why poe points to you and mago. rex's claim is stronger, mago fits the scum slot, and you had the chance to hammer mago but didnt.

i'm not saying you cant be town, but ur asking rex to ignore a pretty straightforward solve without really giving a reason to do so. i'm open to being wrong, but i need more than just another argument about how nobody is engaging with you.

So to be clear its less that I am putting a ton of weight on it and more that I keep bringing it up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over-

Because nobody will fucking look at it and even consider it. Lol. Thats nuts. You guys can not all be scum. What the fuck.. How is it that I have made such a blatantly clear point and nobody even looks at it or talks about it? Why have we not looked at the mech breakdown of what roles fit? Why are we just going back and fourth as I am screaming at the town to just engage and do a tiny bit of sorting? I am uncomfortable with this gamestate. I do think Wylted is just lock scum and I am pretty lost as far as the other outside of that one indicator that you may be their partner. And nobody even wants to spend 3 minutes to look at it and acknowledge that its a point.

To be clear- Not a single person in this game has looked at Pie's ISO and said my point is reasonable. Or unreasonable. Or that I am flatly lying. Or anything. What the fuck? We are in Lylo. You can not all be scum. Why is nobody even bothering to look at these critical details?

What point exactly? That Pie wasnt scumreading you?

I just had a wild brain wave of Rex being scum and being the only one not gung ho about this. I really hope that’s not the case but it would be kinda funny if he was scum and Wylted was Town. Almost want that to be the case so I can see Wylteds face when I flip Town

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:51 (post #171)

also for anyone worried about me being scum I would like to remind everyone that I have not been apart of any of the mislynches, so unless u think scum just was lucky town fell on their sword with only one scum max in each lynch u have to admit this is a compelling argument in my favor

Why do you even remember if you were a part of any mislynches or not?

Originally Posted by Helz on 10/11/2026 at 18:47 (post #168)

Originally Posted by wylted on 11/10/2026 at 11:44 AM (post #165)

just in the future. once you know who scum is. delaying the game only helps scum. we all know it's mago here and whoever is town out of rex and helz is being an idiot. whoever is scum out of those two is also being an idiot because they could atleast hammer and have no cloud of suspicion over them

This literally sounds like scum coaching a town as they feel that town player is not playing right. Lol.

I realize from your perspective its not super obvious that the team is Wylted and Banana, but this is pretty nuch ut. Happy that someone else sees it. Im guessing you think Wylted is scum right? So i gotta convince you to vote Wylted and convince you Rex is town so y’all vote correctly tomorrow.

if youre unsure of my alignment or of Rex’s let me know what issues you have with them and i will try to dispell any concerns

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 18:44 (post #165)

just in the future. once you know who scum is. delaying the game only helps scum. we all know it's mago here and whoever is town out of rex and helz is being an idiot. whoever is scum out of those two is also being an idiot because they could atleast hammer and have no cloud of suspicion over them

But nobody knows who scum is. The only one who does is me because I’m at L-1 and not hammered, so youre both obviously scum fmpov, but this doesn’t work for others. This is just an emotional appeal to get Rex to hammer because otherwise “hes an idiot”.

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 18:29 (post #159)

Originally Posted by Helz on 11/10/2026 at 10:20 AM (post #158)

Originally Posted by Banana on 11/10/2026 at 11:13 AM (post #157)

what do u mean “play the game”? i understand wanting to have a long running debate with someone and argue ur case, but this isn’t really a situation where that applies. Wylted forced a situation that makes it more or less obvious when he voted for mag and he didn’t get insta hammered. the only scum team u can sell at the moment is me and Wylted being scum together, because that is the only way mago is innocent. and u aren’t going to convince me of that lol.

so the only person u can really appeal to here is Rex.

from my pov Rex not hammering means he is likely town. that or mago is his scum partner and he’s hoping to convince u to vote elsewhere, but then id have to buy there’s no miller with a cop and plus his character fits that really well. so that kind of just leaves u as the only partner that makes sense. u could have bought yourself towncred like Wylted said by hammering mago. would have at least muddied the waters going into tomorrow, tho i would prolly still have a hard time buying Rex as scum over u.

anyways if you are scum i get the frustration, but its not like we aren’t playing to our wincon here, from a mechanical standpoint is seems pretty obvious that u and mago r scum here. the most i could do for u is say that its at least possible that rex is scum as well. i will consider that going into tomorrow.

I mean I am actually digging in the thread referencing posts and making points. And it goes out the window. Nobody talks about it. I was not even hard set on you being scum but now I basically just have to hope that you are.

If you want to jump in and talk about it lets do that. Do you even see my point on you saying Pie D2 thought I was scum as unreasonable? Have you clicked on their ISO to see what I see there? I even put quotes in the thread. But you are not even addressing the issue and instead just defaulting to a focus on me not quick hammering Mag? This does not look good. This entire game has been starved for interaction and ending a Lylo without sorting people is ugly. At least I can sort Mag and consider them if you are engaging and playing the game but if your gona shut your brain off and say your gona lynch me regardless my only chance of winning changes. That is much less about what I am considering and much more about being forced to hope a slot is town that I am not even confident is and it sucks.

did u tag me in the post about the pie read? if not i likely didn’t know it existed. but also i am pretty sure i said he kind of seemed like he was scum reading you or interested in u i never said it was a hard read and thats also not the main reason i think you are scum, its mostly to do with Poe, plus Rex claim being stronger and u not hammering. the last scum can be easily identified next DP, so there really isnt a reason to not hammer here unless u are hoping for a happy lylo accident and town messing up. from ur pov me and mago have to be scum and u have to push rex to that, its the only chance u have at winning if ur scum, otherwise Rex would be hammered

Why are you not even considering the possibility of Rex being scum? It is not a stretch that the Miller claim can be scum, its a perfect claim for scum since it basically says “if you check ne im gonna show uo as red” so it would guve them cover.

like… you talk about PoE, but you should be just as skeptical about Helz as about Rex.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 12:54 (post #136)

helz I don't for one second think you are town and refusing to hammer here is basically game throwing because anyone who is town other than rex would hammer here instantly. so it's a confession..

are you really going into the next LYLO situation and explaining that you thought Mago was town and wasn't on the lynch because wylted was skeptical of your role?

you are going to be asked about why you delayed or refused to participate in this lynch.

you realize that blaming my reads or claiming banana has too much inside information is not going to come across as a very good reason for why you are protecting mago right?

wah wah cry harder

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 13:34 (post #140)

you better hope it's not banana mago because I am not entertaining any discussion next dP. I am not even posting other than to call anyone still trying to figure out the game dumb. my first post will just be helz

I won’t even entertain any discussion today other than to discredit the discreditors - first Banana, then you.

@RexFavilla it should be extremely obvious to you there are only two teams possible if you are Town, either Helz/Magoroth or Banana/Wylted. I hard claim that I think Helz is Town here because I think he would put in more effort into claiming if he was scum, and someone would’ve told him PGO is a passive role and not an active one. So it is pretty clear to me the scum team is Wylted/Banana, you would’ve hammered if you were scum by now. Literally the game is in your hands. If Helz or you are dumbasses and vote me then it’s GG.

VTL: wylted

Since apparently my first vote wasn’t counted

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 13:10 (post #137)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 7:46 PM (post #123)

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 3:03 (post #115)

VTL: Magoroth

if I’m wrong I’m sorry guys but out of Wylted and mago I have more problems with mago. i don’t like that he tried to pass his activity issues off as trying to blend in, after his initial plan wasn’t to even claim soldier so it was a wierd strategy. his early lack of participation was sus and he only got active after getting in the hot seat for it. i also don’t like him passing the blame for wylteds hammer when he was voting wryly as well, and just as culpable. i just haven’t felt right about mago this game idk. if im wrong i guess we lose.

we can figure out helz tomorrow

Banana voting me what a surprise. Considering her claim is iffy as fuck I’m not surprised one bit.

@Rex vote Wylted or Banana if I die today and somehow. the game doesn’t end.

pot calling kettle black, vanilla is way less scummy than ur role

Soldier is less scummy than literally the only Vanilla claim in this game what are you on about

Originally Posted by Banana on 10/11/2026 at 3:03 (post #115)

VTL: Magoroth

if I’m wrong I’m sorry guys but out of Wylted and mago I have more problems with mago. i don’t like that he tried to pass his activity issues off as trying to blend in, after his initial plan wasn’t to even claim soldier so it was a wierd strategy. his early lack of participation was sus and he only got active after getting in the hot seat for it. i also don’t like him passing the blame for wylteds hammer when he was voting wryly as well, and just as culpable. i just haven’t felt right about mago this game idk. if im wrong i guess we lose.

we can figure out helz tomorrow

Banana voting me what a surprise. Considering her claim is iffy as fuck I’m not surprised one bit.

@Rex vote Wylted or Banana if I die today and somehow. the game doesn’t end.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:50 (post #105)

mago is there a single reason that makes sense about you not voting me. I assumed you already did it, but I guess not which makes no sense. just do it lol. like If you were actually town than you would know that no hammer means I would have to be scum from your POV. there is no excuse to refrain from voting

I already voted you.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:24 (post #101)

more strawmanning. it isn't even a out it being different this time rather than every single other time lunatic used it in a game over the past decade. it's just not a role that is even going to exist in a game with this many visiting roles. and you think I forgot that you changed your role to veteran which behaves similarly to this non coercive PGO because you were trying to set up a bus.

can we just end this fucking game already so Mago can drop the facade and we can shit talk more honestly back and forth

and, just because a role looks bad - it invalidates the rest of the play? this is literally what caused me to get lynched in my first game, people didn’t buy me being sensor because of some bullshit - literally the exact same scenario

I never changed my role to veteran, I’ve always claimed soldier

again, shitty role vs idiot who speed hammered BEFORE SEEING ANY CLAIM and the only vanilla claim this game. why is there a vanilla in a game with et34535353 power roles? ONE single vanilla

if wylted wins this because you all will believe some crap about some role not being the. way you think it is, then so be it, but the loss is on you, not me, I have never accepted this as a valid argument and never will

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:15 (post #98)

I won’t continue this debate over game balance but we can have it post game if you like

I ain't debating shit post game. I am just going to dab on you.

suck my dick lmao

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 10/11/2026 at 2:12 (post #95)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 8:08 PM (post #90)

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 10/11/2026 at 2:05 (post #87)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #82)

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 1:56 (post #79)

PGO is a very rare role anyways and the only times I’ve seen it, it was not compulsive. because it’s too bloody strong lol

It's not strong, it's anti-town. It's used in very big setups to cause general confusion and obscure extraneous killing roles, or in setups with limited visiting roles to ameliorate the damage it causes, or it can be a creative way to do anticlaim and allow extra kills if scum are given a redirector. Once the PGO claims they can redirect people to them to get extra kill(s).

every role is anti-town if used incorrectly.

idea as PGO is to pretend to be a PR so mafia visits you. there really is’t a mafia bible that says what roles are or aren’t antitown. bus driver - peak chaos. also extremely good because chaos is PRO-TOWN scum needs order.

Pretending to be power role is a dumb strategy because it will also get you doc'd, which scum will realize and may not even target you as a result. Then you as PGO just killa the doc and someone else gets NKd. Or maybe a tracker picks up on it and assumes you have an active role and so knows they will get a result by tracking you. This is one the most retarded plans as PGO I've ever heard of.

Scum doesn't need order. Scum already have information asymmetry. They thrive in chaos. Like this fucking DP.

I won’t continue this debate over game balance but we can have it post game if you like

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:10 (post #91)

pushing Noah for that exposed banana last game as scum.

so you can't even call arguing that was a bad decision

ah yes “every decision that reveals scum is a good one"

lets Lynch mayor to troll and call it a good decision because scum was retarded and outed themselves even though that wasn’t part of the plan

can justify ANYTHING like this

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:11 (post #92)

mago you are awfully defensive over Helz's claim. it makes me think you didn't just give him the nod but the claim was your ideal

I don’t give a fuck what scum thinks

Originally Posted by RexFavilla on 10/11/2026 at 2:05 (post #87)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 11/9/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #82)

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 1:56 (post #79)

PGO is a very rare role anyways and the only times I’ve seen it, it was not compulsive. because it’s too bloody strong lol

It's not strong, it's anti-town. It's used in very big setups to cause general confusion and obscure extraneous killing roles, or in setups with limited visiting roles to ameliorate the damage it causes, or it can be a creative way to do anticlaim and allow extra kills if scum are given a redirector. Once the PGO claims they can redirect people to them to get extra kill(s).

every role is anti-town if used incorrectly.

idea as PGO is to pretend to be a PR so mafia visits you. there really is’t a mafia bible that says what roles are or aren’t antitown. bus driver - peak chaos. also extremely good because chaos is PRO-TOWN scum needs order.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 2:04 (post #86)

you and banana end the game lynch mago and helz. I don't care what order and let's make fun of these idiots in the end game

@rexfavilla don’t listen to this idiot, this is literally “Noah is the only democrat so he must be scum”, literally the same type of argument, who gives a shit about any of this crap? acting like a role being weird when we get roles like “your target’s role will be revealed in two days” is fuckign stupid and only a braindead scum who’s afraid of losing would come up with this argument.

who do you trust, the “town” who turbo’d yesterday before wryly even got a chance to claim, or the one who pie had outside his poe because in all likelihood he checked me that night because I was afk?

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/23595-Role-Compendium-amp-Suggestion-Thread#veteran

Veteran

Action: Go on alert at night, attacking everyone who visits you.

Originally Posted by wylted on 10/11/2026 at 1:56 (post #79)

if lunatic put a PGO in the game and he has multiple times. he has always made them compulsive and so do most people here. and every site I looked at lists PGOs as being compulsive.

so if it exists in the game

1. it would be compulsive
2. there would be significantly less visiting roles

how many sites have you even played on

PGO is a very rare role anyways and the only times I’ve seen it, it was not compulsive. because it’s too bloody strong lol