Magoroth

Like. I don’t want to play Mafia as the host. Obviously I should’ve been careful and thought before answering, b

ILikePie5 wrote:

A-Llewella wrote:

Well let’s please seperate the issue of “people will know who others are” and the overt rule breaks of people hunting and talking about who they think people are.

These are separate concepts

I disagree. Luna’s entire read on me was based on who he “thought” I was. And anyone could’ve figured out from that read that he thought I was Pie.

This isn’t the same thing. Believe me. Obviously it’s hard to ignore information like that but it’s a world away from directly stating shit.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

Yes yes, I admit to making hosting mistakes. There. I agree with you on that. Did not give people the right to take advantage of grey areas like the account claiming thing.

And Mikal only took advantage of that because again, newsflash, you chose to answer it. If you’re not going to consider ramifications, you can’t blame the players. People ask about mechanics all the time in hopes of catching people in inconsistencies

Sure. I agree with you that I shouldn’t have answered it. But don’t you think there’s a difference between me slipping information because I’m dumb, as a result of an innocent question that I answered stupidly, and one that was DESIGNED (self-admittedly) to get me to slip information?

Lunatic wrote:

Number 1. Interesting name calling. Seems all you and Mikal are capable of is trashtalking and bullying others or trying to see how much shit you two can get away with. Very sad because I actually had some amount of respect for you.

You gonna flip out on me for something stupid don’t get mad when I call you out for it lol. I literally put more behavior analysis than any one in this god damn game, Carried the entire town on my back dp1, had accurate scum reads, and your gonna whine that I factored in people changing their profile before getting their role pms into the start of my play, when I just told you I wouldn’t have outright lynched anyone for it and it was mostly to get activity and reactions out of people. Yeah could care less.

Fucker literally has the audacity to say “no I’m going to count the game” after

If your gonna make a game with wierd ass rules and not going to consistently apply them, then that’s on you, or the people who signed up for your game and dedicated their free time to scum hunting and put hours of their lives into it.

Fucker literally has the audacity to say “no I’m going to count the game” after

As a host, a player having dumb reads should have no bearing on you or the game. Not sure what your point is. I am sorry you were deeply offended by Mikal’s reads?

Tried to bait information out of the host. I seriously wanted to modkill him or give scum a disguiser when he did that. Can’t believe none of you see any issue with this. And I say attempted to bait information because my reasoning why I even answered that question the way I did was, if these roles are in the game they can just privately tell they dont want ppl to use their actual accounts (because why the fuck would they?). So not only did he do something absurdly scummy where I basically have to play Mafia AS THE HOST to try to avoid slipping information, he was also straight up wrong. Good riddance!

If there is a question you don’t want to answer, don’t answer it. Simple problem simple solution. Middling should always be a last resort and for a serious rule violation not because you’re pissed off at a player. That’s a quick way to get people to never play your games.

Don’t fucking tell me what’s not possible in an anonymous game. I cut my teeth on a site where anonymous games were COMMON and people did not do any of the shit that was done this game, AND people wouldn’t reveal their own identities or try to hunt for others. One game - the second game I ever hosted - I even PM’d a player and asked him, have you figured out who anyone is yet? His response? I’m actually trying to ignore that as much as I can, but I know X and Y slots are A and B. Yes, you can actually play an anonymous game without being a douchebag. I habe done it. Please don’t try to sell that it’s not possinle because it’s a) boring and b) disprovable from my own experience.

I didn’t say it wasn’t possible, just that you can’t expect people to pretend like they don’t know who people are when the stick to the same posting styles, same posting schedules, and same behaviors. We are a small community that have played with each other for years, it’s pretty easy to tell who is who most of the time. But I was wrong on a few people still.

People did break the rules. They even stretched the rules with shit that should obviously not be okay, or that 99% I wouldn’t allow. Why the hell would I allow people to mass claik their account names and lynxh the liars? There is literally no way this isn’t angleshooting. If the rules changed midgamr, scum were operating on the assumption that the rules WOULD NOT change. So that literally creates information where there is none or should be none.

You had inconsistent answers in regards to your rules and I pointed them

out multiple times. You say one thing then immediately back track it. Again more dumb rules make more dumb rule breaks. Be consistent next time and have less arbitrary bull shit rules and it will be easier to follow them.

I should point out I wasn’t accusing you of using OGI, that one is 100% strictly on Mikal.

Yes yes, I admit to making hosting mistakes. There. I agree with you on that. Did not give people the right to take advantage of grey areas like the account claiming thing.

Yes yes, I admit to making hosting mistakes. There. I agree with you on that. Did not give people the right to take advantage of grey areas like the account claiming thing.

Yes, thieves do tend to think the rules are for retards and people who obey them are just wusses.

Also. Given the reactions on this thread. And how butthurt people are getting at me saying the rules were broken and Mikal’s audacity at saying he will count the game. Are you surprised that I was lenient? At least some players would’ve fucking left or gotten angry if I tried to enforce the rules.

Lunatic wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

So, hopefully this game is a learning experience and people will try obeying the rules

No one was breaking fucking rules, if you had applied inconsistent answers about rules. You can't expect people to not guess at people's identities, and factor them into analysis. Impossible. We do that every game. At most you can expect us to RP about it which I tried to do and just refer to people as their in game name but if someone asks me why I scum read someone, and a behavior from a past game indicates them being scum to me, I should be able to point that out. Forcing town to like and convolute reasons for scum reading people is retarded. Its why I identified caine having a different play style this time then last time. Dude didn't have to tell us he was kohai for it to be obvious he was kohai. Not to mention the fact he kept fucking up and posting from his other account despite crying about breaking the rules ever five seconds.

Yall need to get your panties out of a bunch about the "rule break" bull shit. Have less shitty rules if you want less rule breaks.

People did break the rules. Maybe stop being such a 4chan incel and using “retarded” lamguage like “getting your panties in a twist”. You sound like a 14 year old teenager with that kind of language

Lunatic wrote:

No I agree. That was trash.

Dont give a fuck you both can cry me a god damn river. Bitches.

Number 1. Interesting name calling. Seems all you and Mikal are capable of is trashtalking and bullying others or trying to see how much shit you two can get away with. Very sad because I actually had some amount of respect for you. I did for Mikal as well but I now see that respect was misplaced. Fucker literally has the audacity to say “no I’m going to count the game” after

1. He literally had no reads most of this game and just angleshot half the fucking game to get actual information (and in some cases the information he angleshot was straight up wrong; like the Oberon modkilling thing)
2. Tried to bait information out of the host. I seriously wanted to modkill him or give scum a disguiser when he did that. Can’t believe none of you see any issue with this. And I say attempted to bait information because my reasoning why I even answered that question the way I did was, if these roles are in the game they can just privately tell they dont want ppl to use their actual accounts (because why the fuck would they?). So not only did he do something absurdly scummy where I basically have to play Mafia AS THE HOST to try to avoid slipping information, he was also straight up wrong. Good riddance!
3. Don’t fucking tell me what’s not possible in an anonymous game. I cut my teeth on a site where anonymous games were COMMON and people did not do any of the shit that was done this game, AND people wouldn’t reveal their own identities or try to hunt for others. One game - the second game I ever hosted - I even PM’d a player and asked him, have you figured out who anyone is yet? His response? I’m actually trying to ignore that as much as I can, but I know X and Y slots are A and B. Yes, you can actually play an anonymous game without being a douchebag. I habe done it. Please don’t try to sell that it’s not possinle because it’s a) boring and b) disprovable from my own experience.
4. People did break the rules. They even stretched the rules with shit that should obviously not be okay, or that 99% I wouldn’t allow. Why the hell would I allow people to mass claik their account names and lynxh the liars? There is literally no way this isn’t angleshooting. If the rules changed midgamr, scum were operating on the assumption that the rules WOULD NOT change. So that literally creates information where there is none or should be none.

So, hopefully this game is a learning experience and people will try obeying the rules (especially for anonymous games). I personally was so frustrated this game that I don’t think I’m going to be hosting here again. Unless it’s extremely simple fully-open setups that are impossible to angleshoot.

Like the following:

Lazy Town Citizen x3

Lazy Town Sheriff x1

Lazy Mafia Mafioso x1

Lazy Mafia Godfather x1

^ none of the roles have any abilities; mafia has day chat, there are no nights

Also, I don’t really regret allowing the anon thing. In hindsight I probably should’ve banned it immediately, but people were saying “I’m losing interest in the game” and shit. First time hosting on a new site, I did not want to be a prick and I thought people were actually annoyed with the anon/rules.

low priority /sign-up if you need players

Lunatic wrote:

Mestari wrote:

Also people quoting the time they received their role pm is wild work.

Nah didn't really have any effect on the game. We all survived. Calm tf down lol

No I agree. That was trash.

I stopped it early because yes, I PM’d people in the order in which they were signed up didn’t matter. So that wasn’t an issue

Exact time was an issue because PMing vanillas was piss-easy; there’s little delay. When there’s a rather large delay between two players it heavily implies they have different roles

Lunatic wrote:

Bruh, I was right. There was one scum in Pie, Kohai, Banana. 2 scum if you didn’t force me to claim and we went with Brands, though that’s a different story.

Brother that was such a vanilla heavy game that there was bound to be one scum among the vanillas. Choosing to random yeet a vanilla with like no behavior analysis makes no sense. Also why did you tunnel banana so much harder than Caine? Like your reasoning on her was so bad I couldn’t fathom you being town.

I told scum D1 there were many vanillas and that most people were Vanilla. Which in effect functions like being given fake claims.

The idea from the very start was for scum to claim Vanilla, disabling any PoE town could get from claims. You could have confirmed Town but massclaiming wouldnt break the game.

Bullish wrote:

The blackmail "you can't say you were blackmailed" rule is also another one of those rules that's basically unenforceable. This is part of why being a lawmaker is actually a hard ass job.

I am aware. Some soft hinting I allow. Hardclaiming is out of the question

Mag1cman wrote:

Scum MVP for getting replaced out. Just stop saying weird shit bro, you can do it.

Yeah. Not sure if this is just a fluke but I notice women on this site tend to be much better at scum than the men. My experience on other sites shows that it usually doesn’t matter so IDK what to think.

ILikePie5 wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

I ask that this game not be counted for anyone's win/lose. There were too many issues with stuff (I don't think scum lost because of these issues to be fair but it certainly didn't help)

Nah that’s bullshit. Thoth being replaced when he was on the chopping block should’ve never happened. That alone would’ve given town a major advantage

As I said, I don’t think anything actually caused scum to lose the game and they probably would’ve lost anyways. Too many people were suspicious of Kohai and Thoth/Casey from the get go.

I don't generally assign MVPs as host since I don't think that's my business, but I thought Mestari played quite well

I ask that this game not be counted for anyone's win/lose. There were too many issues with stuff (I don't think scum lost because of these issues to be fair but it certainly didn't help)

The jail chat: https://fmchatsandothers.boards.net/thread/19/np1-jail

Julian jailed flora and had a huge last will but it wasn't displayed on NP1.

Also, I made some mistakes with setup balance. Originally the setup was gonna be 14p with 10 town (one of which would be a cop), 3 Mafia, and 1 third party ghost. I wasn't sure what to do with the setup balance since I only had 12p so I decided to remove the ghost and the cop. The result was a game which was too scumsided.

That being said. Another mistake I made was not instantly forbidding anon stuff right away. Although being a new host on this site I did not want to act like the Devil that punishes everybody, which is why I did not do it, but in hindsight I should've.

Mikal frustrated me this game. Scum had frustrations of their own with him, but my actual reason was the fact that he attempted to create the information that Disguiser/Ty'iga did not exist by trying to bait it out of me. Like... dude, what? And constantly relying on out of game information rather than reads in order to solve the game.

1. Pie - Citizen / Flora
2. Thoth/Casey - Blackmailer / Brand
3. Whiteflame - Regent / Deirdre
4. Rex/Mestari - Citizen / Bleys
5. Helz - Citizen / Llewella
6. Mag1c - Godfather / Fiona
7. Kohai - Janitor / Caine
8. Lunatic - Citizen / Gerard
9. Banana - Citizen / Martin
10. Mikal - Citizen / Random
11. Bullish - Citizen / Oberon
12. Wylted - Jailer / Julian

Brand was thrown off the mountain Kolvir. Their role was Blackmailer.

Caine has officially conceded. They were the last Mafia. Game has ended in a Town win.

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A-Brand (4/4): A-Caine (p#530), A-Bleys (p#525), A-Llewella (p#523), A-Deirdre (p#527)

A-Caine (2/4): A-Random (p#232), A-Brand (p#515)

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A-Brand (4/4): A-Caine (p#530), A-Bleys (p#525), A-Llewella (p#523), A-Deirdre (p#527)

A-Caine (2/4): A-Random (p#232), A-Brand (p#515)

Not Voting (0): None

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⚠️ A-Brand has reached the lynch threshold. Hammer appears to be p#527.

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A-Brand (3/4): A-Bleys (p#525), A-Llewella (p#523), A-Deirdre (p#527)

A-Caine (2/4): A-Random (p#232), A-Brand (p#515)

A-Random (1/4): A-Caine (p#175)

Not Voting (0): None

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A-Caine (2/4): A-Random (p#232), A-Brand (p#515)

A-Brand (2/4): A-Bleys (p#525), A-Llewella (p#523)

A-Random (1/4): A-Caine (p#175)

Not Voting (1): A-Deirdre

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A-Caine (3/4): A-Random (p#232), A-Bleys (p#376), A-Brand (p#515)

A-Random (1/4): A-Caine (p#175)

A-Brand (1/4): A-Llewella (p#523)

Not Voting (1): A-Deirdre

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A-Caine (3/4): A-Random (p#232), A-Bleys (p#376), A-Brand (p#515)

A-Random (1/4): A-Caine (p#175)

Not Voting (2): A-Deirdre, A-Llewella

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A-Caine (2/4): A-Random (p#232), A-Bleys (p#376)

A-Random (1/4): A-Caine (p#175)

Not Voting (3): A-Brand, A-Deirdre, A-Llewella

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 hour.