Thoth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
If there are 3 scum players (as balance would suggest there are) and we lynch them all back-to-back, we never reach DP4. I'd call that extremely unlikely, but no, it's not guaranteed we reach DP4.
10-3 strikes me as townsided. Are you thinking 9-3-1?
I personally don’t find 10/3 Townsided. Depends
Okay. I feel like that is everything that should be discussed at this point about Thoth’s role. Any further discussion will be antitown.
Thoth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Also also, are you saying that your role is currently active and that you'll learn what it is by DP4 or that it will activate by DP4?
I have a role that was determined before the game started. I will learn what that role is at the start of DP4. This role has at least one ability. These abilit(y/ies) may be active or passive. It might be active now or it might not be. Pie won't tell me anything else about my abilit(y/ies) until DP4 starts. That's what I got between reading my PM and interrogating Pie.
Oh cool. I missed this message too.
Are you allowed to submit night actions? Just to make everything clearer for me, your ability, if it exists, is NOT targeted, correct?
Thoth wrote:
Unknown could be SOP. Imagine how pissed people would be if I turned out to be Paranoid Gun Owner. And while y’all are at it, don’t put me at L-1 unless you intend to lynch me, on the off chance I am Hated.
So this is why you decided to claim?
So let me get this straight. You have a 100% unambiguous confirmation that you have no night action?
For my benefit, could you summarise everything you know about your role?
A bunch of thoughts:
a) Whiteflame did not say he was Town. On one hand, yeah kinda scummy? On the other hand if he was scum he would probably be more careful and say “yes”, maybe even woulda jumped at that word even more attentively than he did here.
b) He could be annoyed at the question because he doesn’t like rolling scum and rolled scum this game I guess?
whiteflame wrote:
So are you Town this game?
I do tend to enjoy being Town more, but you know my answering this question doesn't make any difference.
I’m not sure exactlt what I expecting. Nothing in particular really. But I think that statement looks townie. Hence why I asked you that question.
I’m unsure how scum you would react to that question
Kohai wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Oh boy, this one should be fun. I am sadly not Magnesium, so my white flame won't shine bright this game. Still, I'll try to work with what I have. I do have a more than passing familiarity with the Periodic Table, though being a life scientist, probably less than most physical scientists have. Be interested to see how the Table was divvied out and I've got some thoughts on possible theme splits that I'll keep to myself for now.
First time I’ve been to read emotion in your posts. Not AI reading it, I think it’s a me thing.
I'm planning on enjoying this one and posting more often, so hopefully it won't be the last time.
NGL early town lean on wf for this post.
So are you Scum here Kohai and trying to jump out at something that is very easy to town read?
whiteflame wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Oh boy, this one should be fun. I am sadly not Magnesium, so my white flame won't shine bright this game. Still, I'll try to work with what I have. I do have a more than passing familiarity with the Periodic Table, though being a life scientist, probably less than most physical scientists have. Be interested to see how the Table was divvied out and I've got some thoughts on possible theme splits that I'll keep to myself for now.
First time I’ve been to read emotion in your posts. Not AI reading it, I think it’s a me thing.
I'm planning on enjoying this one and posting more often, so hopefully it won't be the last time.
So are you Town this game?
whiteflame wrote:
Thoth wrote:
I am Oganesson. I don’t know what my role is and won’t learn it until DP4. Justification is that very little
is known about Oganesson and it will probably be a while before it’s seriously studied. I am SOP-claiming in case it’s something SOP-claimable.
So... hmmm...
On the one hand, I want to just townread this because it's such a weird pull. I'm not familiar with Oganesson (it was only discovered in 2002 and in general any of the ones listed under the "unknown properties" section of the table is beyond my limited knowledge), but it's an odd part of the Table to grab from, especially if you're looking for a fake claim. There are probably 3 scum in this game so it's possible that one of them would just go for it rather than waiting to ask questions, but this doesn't seem obvious, nor does the whole "I discover my role 4 DPs in" aspect. It's weird that that's so delayed, but in a game with this many players, reaching DP4 is pretty likely.
On the other hand, I don't get this as an SOP claim. It's an unknown role, not an SOP one. Maybe this is just Thoth being extra cautious, or maybe this is him trying to give himself some towncred out the gate in hopes he'll avoid investigations. I don't like the decision, even if I kind of townread the claim itself.
I hadn’t considered the possibility he is lying. If he’s telling the truth, I think it says a bunch of stuff about the setup that it would probably be unwise to discuss…
whiteflame wrote:
Oh boy, this one should be fun. I am sadly not Magnesium, so my white flame won't shine bright this game. Still, I'll try to work with what I have. I do have a more than passing familiarity with the Periodic Table, though being a life scientist, probably less than most physical scientists have. Be interested to see how the Table was divvied out and I've got some thoughts on possible theme splits that I'll keep to myself for now.
First time I’ve been to read emotion in your posts. Not AI reading it, I think it’s a me thing.
Oh I missed Kohai’s post.
RexFavilla wrote:
VTL: Magoroth
Old habits die hard
Okay why did you feel the need to duplicate an RVS vote?
RexFavilla wrote:
There's no escaping little scumster.
So whats that supposed to mean? If I’m scum I’m supposed to just give up? Lol
Magoroth wrote:
Thoth wrote:
I am Oganesson. I don’t know what my role is and won’t learn it until DP4. Justification is that very little
is known about Oganesson and it will probably be a while before it’s seriously studied. I am SOP-claiming in case it’s something SOP-claimable.
Do you know your alignment?
What happens if you try to take a night action. Have you asked? If your role is capable of receiving feedback, and you say “target X using my night action”, would you receive feedback?
Just my 2c but there’s a bunch of questions you could ask Pie.
RexFavilla wrote:
VTL Magoroth
Oh no he caught me help
Thoth wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
Do you know your alignment?
Yes, I am town. Is that a question? Lmao if I were lying I would just say I am town
True
Thoth wrote:
I am Oganesson. I don’t know what my role is and won’t learn it until DP4. Justification is that very little
is known about Oganesson and it will probably be a while before it’s seriously studied. I am SOP-claiming in case it’s something SOP-claimable.
Do you know your alignment?
VTL: Mag1cman
He is scum.
whiteflame wrote:
Also, clearly have to be magnesium for obvious reasons. Just saying.
You know race cars used to be made out of magnesium. With DISASTROUS results.
/in
Neon is cool. It becomes metallic at unfathomably high pressures.
Silicon is cool because it’s a metalloid and it looks like aluminum foil.
Tellurium is cool because it’s odd like Silicon. It’s neither a metal nor a non-metal, but in between (but decently metallic for a metalloid). I think it used to be minted into coins?
Finally, mercury is unreactive. Obviously toxic but that’s not why I want to be Mercury. It’s semi-noble according to Wikipedia because it doesn’t really react with most acids and IIRC it doesn’t oxidise in air.
I’d like to be Neon, Silicon, Tellurium or Mercury if possible :)
Thoth wrote:
Let me save you the trouble. You saw my Discord status as online at a time when people are normally awake in my time zone, so you figured I was waiting for the game to start since I have admitted to preferring scum.
I do not remember this. When did you say you prefer being scum?
Mikal wrote:
Im also okay with just hammering thoth for memes. Little over 20 percent chance to be right [likely]
What makes you think he wouldnt just return from the grave if hammered
Thoth wrote:
I’m honestly starting to reconsider that scumread since this is Mikal we are talking about, but I’ll park my vote for now and watch as the day progresses.
I’ll soft that I am male.
I’m softing that your mother is male
Good afternoon lipspittles
Mikal wrote:
This is my issue. Not once did kohai care about this. Not one single time and was having reads based off who people were and was happy to be town read off the idea he was posting testing shit so much.
His tune only changed after people tracked his behavior to last game. Then its integrity. At least helz has a moral high ground. I still disagree that you can objectively ban angle shooting but he was at least honest about it. Kohai was not and did it until it bit him in the ass
Mikal wrote:
Also im not some asshat. I just have a low tolerance and threshold for grandstanding and playing the victim. You want to piss me off. Blame someone or victim feign when you are contributing makes my temper boil
Kohai had literally 0 issue posting from his account and saying who he was when he was townread. When he started playing like shit. It turned into an integrity issue and he wanted to blame the angleshooting and loss for doing the same shit he was participating in
Mod being mad when he allowed it after I took the time to ask before I even started angleshooting is also just as silly
The fact people are this pissed is just dumb. Yes the game will count. We will learn better and mods can structure rules better and learn from it.
There is no inherent rule breaking when the fucking mod confirms and allows it and every player in the game is fucking doing it, including mafia. Its only an issue when it backfires
Now we move on
My issue was with “whoever doesn’t claim who they really” are gets lynched. It looks really bad even knowing I allowed people to claim who they are. Like… lets say scum initially wanted to fake being someone else. Whats gonna happen when that rule changes? And then people are allowed to massclaim their actual identity?
It gives one side an unfair advantage. Yes, it’s my fault for allowing this, I hadn’t thought of that loophole.
And I overreacted when I attacked you so harshly, I am very sorry. When I get angry its like a flood of bullshit that I can’t control (just ask Helz).
With that being said. I still have issue with you asking me that question about anonymity then publicly declaring that you asked it to see if I would answer which would mean the two roles whatever weren’t in the game. I was very tempted to give Mafia a disguiser then and there.
ILikePie5 wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
A-Llewella wrote:
Imo the healthy thing is to acknowledge bad stuff happened and take corrective action so it does not happen again.
The unhealthy thing is to excuse what happened and ignore the problem allowing it to happen again.
Im not trying to sit around and point fingers at people. I do want to point fingers at a pattern of issues that’s harmful to the communities growth
You have to take people who angle shoot with a massive grain of salt. I didn’t buy Mikal’s stance on Oberon for example but I don’t fault him for having it.
Exactly. It’s not like it provided an advantage lmaoo. People use mod psyche all the time. And OGI is subject to WIFOM as well. Like Mikal is more than capable of doing what he did as scum as well.
Tbh there was so much angle-shooting from Random that the slot was borderline town-confirmed. Like, yeah scum could angleshoot but it would be such a weird strategy.
Same reason a lot of sites disallow speculating over replacements (I personally think this is dumb but it’s for the same reason)
Lunatic wrote:
I should point out I wasn’t accusing you of using OGI, that one is 100% strictly on Mikal.
Some level of OGI is going to factor into reads even if people don’t admit it. I town read Rex last game for getting added in after the original 16 were added. Highly doubted scum would be added late. Turns out I was right lol
Yes. But you don’t mention it when yo see it. Other people may not have had the same insight, at least in principle. Obviously in this case it wouldn’t matter because who the hell would add scum post-game-start?
Like, it creates an unfair advantage if you do actually mention it.
