Magoroth

It’s a role whose primary value is in getting townread, and it’s pretty good at that, if you aren’t prepared for the possibility of a Mafia doctor.

You only block your team’s nightkill if you heal the same person they attack at night.

Mafia Doctor is just a Doctor who is of the Mafia alignment. Identical night action, differenr alignment. Reason I say Mafia doctor (probably) doesn’t exist is that you don’t need a fake claim when you’re Mafia doctor; you can just visit w townie player at night, heal them over and over. Bulletproof alibi because most of the time Doctor is a Town role.

mechanics over behaviour*

“Focused on mechanic sober behaviour”

I have literally given multie reads?!?! What is this? Mamma mia

Strange how everyone scumreads me but nobody wants to vote me. What kind of scum am I?!

On that note, Pie’s insistence thag I would die for claiming watcher might be a scum slip that Scum have a Ninja. Remember that scum have “fake claims” which implies their actual abilities are scummy; why give fake claims to, say, a Mafia Doctor?

I think he is sayig that with such fervour because he is scum and Ninja stuff is on his mind. Kinda like “ye dost protest too much”.

VTL ILikePie5

I fail to see what’s scummy or “atrocious” about my posting. You literally all saw my scum game and how difficult it was for me to post anything meaningful at all. This is not even close to that game.

Awesome hasn’t seen it but I would like to hear an explanation from him as to how my posting is “atrocious”.

“So you’re fine with roles being revealed? That doesn’t make sense at all”

One is me saying it would be shitty for scum to be outed over flavour, the other is me pushing for a mass claim of all abilities so we know 1) what abilties are in the game (that way people cannot make up bullshit like “hey ackshually I’m this panda that shoots lasers out of it ass and I can kill people at night if they get roleblocked”, and if they do lie they have to stick to it to the end of the game), 2) people have to claim their roles, if later down the line multiple players effectively counterclaim them it makes it likely they were scum (or redirected but there are still ways to verify certain claims)

3) we can coordinate night actions

on the topic of 3), i think a different set of people should have favour “given” to them each night so people can prove their roles and whatnot

And, when I typed that post I thought Empress had access to every single ability in the game (the first post says Imperial Noble Consort or whatever can use “all” abilities, and I thought that meant every ability in the game). So Empress revealing would tell us what night actions are possible.

I assume Empress is Town precisely because it’s too OP if it’s scum.

I think actually, that the spiel “scum were given fake claims” kinda implies that whatever abilities they have are scummy and not Towny. Think Tailor, Framer, etc.

Maybe let’s talk about this D2. Thoth said I might be too emotionally invested in this and might not be able to see the other side of the equation, which might be true. Plus I’m a little embarrassed to be pushing this hard for a mass claim when I seem to be the only one who thinks it’s a good idea XD

This might be a dumb question. But do you have a read on Thoth/Wryly/Wylted

I meant full claims.

with a watcher, and who knows that other roles are out there, I’m not actually sure any claim is safe.

They may, but they might also not. In the absence of any claims, they might fake claim something other than the claim they were given to get out of a tough spot.

and of course, there’s the corollary that claiming our abilities tells Vader who to give out favour to, there’s ways “roles” interplay and potentially confirm each other. or he cwn give favour to scum to see what they do with their abilities, that is also possible.

It reveals enough to us thougg. I don’t know your abilities or anyone else’s. From my perspective almost anything is possible.

if we mass claim, the ten towns are probably going to tell the truth. That locks the list of possible roles into probably a rather short list, meaning that scum have a rather small pool of roles to claim. even if the claims are seemingly reliable, it basically says that they can’t just claim ANY role later down the line, so it becomes easier to catch them on a contradiction (or some obvious lie in mech that can be proven).

Example, let’s say hypothetically that I am scum and I see no protective roles. I claim Bodyguard or some thing. A bodyguard should visit an investigative role or someone who is very Towny. Why did I visit someone who is scummy?

On the other hand, consider the scenario where there is no mass claim. I can literally claim any role and get away with it if someone sees me visiting someone “scummy”, it might not even be suspicious.

Of course, if you need some time to do stuff or whatever, I’m happy to provide it. If you’re Town it’s not particularly fun when someone scumreads you early on and demands that you “do” stuff to town tell. *looks at Thoth and awesome5000*

VTL Shining

Why not.

What makes you think I’m singling you out? :)

I thought you came across as “odd” to me due to the way you’re speaking and what you’re saying, almost like you’re trying to hide something, or really forcing yourself to post. I haven’t gotten vibes from most of the rest of the player base so I have to go with what I have thus far.

I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but I strongly, strongly believe we should mass claim our abilities immediately. We should find out all information about this setup as soon as possible. In a hidden setup scum can just claim whatever they want and it’s possible we will have “weird” night actions that make no sense and stump us. Please, for the benefit of my sanity, at least consider this.

I have had games where the scum claimed absurd shit and got away with it because the night actions were so confusing and SO MUCH shit was happening every night that made people susceptible to believinf pretty much anything. If we mass claim, we at the very least level the playing field and know what is possible and what isn’t.

and, even if we deny ourselves the use of our abilities by doing so, who cares? 10v2 is pretty balanced (assuming there are no Serial Killers). at the end of the day reads and discussion are the most important things in the game, not roles.

Lol

William means Magoroth. Its my MS name, apologies for the confusion.

So, I have this theory that people don’t really say what they mean when they speak. As an example, consider a political debate. You begin with people talking about something and the discussion keeps moving to unrelated points. Obviously the points themselves are not relevant, the participants are trying to argue something related to some idea that they have, which is at the heart of their arguments.

Along that note, it seems to me Wryly’s thoughts like “William is just generally scummy like this, it’s NAI” etc are not really particularly hard thoughts to come up with. It’s basically just restating stuff that is (apparently) true to Wryly’s knowledge, without much meat to it.

and, now that I accused Wryly of having a hard time coming up with thoughts, she has asked ppl for reads and that kinda shit. I kinda feel like this is “oh this person accused me of being scum for not doing X so I will now do X so they don’t scum read me anymore”.

i have no read on whiteflame as present. part of me wants to townread him but i think that’s probably just irrelevant (gut) and I will try to ignore it.

I assume when scum gets favour they just get some more powerful roles.

Probably some of the roles they get resemble or can mimic Town roles.

I still think it’s a good idea to mass claim. We get more information that way, not less. The Emperor can assign favour. I assume the scum can also influence favour in some way, e.g. through stealing favour from others. So if we mass claim we put all our cards on the table, and especially if we mass claim how much favour we have; we can make a decision on who should have how much favour. Scum can lie, but then they would have to use their role and prove it.

1. I'll have to take a look at this later, I understand your explanation, will have to see if it checks out considering what you said.
2. We vote her and force her to think.

I still think we should mass claim what abilities we have access to. If scum tells the truth, and they don’t use their fake claim, they will be forced to use their abilities either in a pro-Town way, rendering them kinda useless to them, or take a risk and use their abilities anyway in spite of lying about it.

I will go first. One of my abilities is Watcher.

#1. So I took a look at the setup again. I thought that Imperial Noble Consort knowing “all abilities” or whatever meant they knew literally all abilities, and given that scum had two fake claims I thought they would know this “more”’.

#2. Yes, it’s scummy to justify your vote in RVS. If it’s random, then why justify it?

#3. Just vote her and we’ll find out how many thoughts she’s had. She has clear trouble producing original thoughts, and I think I’ve had more than she’s had.

I’m not even scumreading you any more, by the way. I thought the OMGUS was towny, even if it’s silly.

VTL Wryly

I feel like Wryly is having trouble producing thoughts.