Magoroth

yeah I’ll admit the fake claim was not the most inspired action. I do tend to lie a lot as Town, but I should’ve given the claim more thought instead of claiming Framer.

well, obviously it depends on the person but in my experience someone “having a backbone” and refusing to be lynched/not collapsing under pressure is town indicative.

yes, this is literally my D1 claim, except I didn’t specify which was odd and even night (to be honest I just couldn’t remember it)

that would depend on who poisoned me

if it’s Town who poisoned me, it’s because they thought I was scum and didn’t want me to weasel out of a lynch. and they scumread me more than these players you just listed.

if it’s Scum who poisoned me, well... honestly no clue, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, just means I don’t know, although, again, the vanillaisation and poison almost certainly came from separate alignments. I suppose if a Serial Killer poisoned me, he probably thought I was scum, so it’s the same case as Town poisoning me.

this is a moot point anyway, if a Town poisoned me they should claim, like, now.

I just asked Rex, out of curiosity (since I know I received feedback I was poisoned), whether he would announce poison publicly, and he said he wouldn’t.

reason I asked him is because it’s technically possible someone faked a poison on me (seems more likely a Town would do that rather than a scum TBH)

w.r.t Poisoner being announced, this is a question you can ask the host if Poison is publicly announced or not.

I think my reactions have been super towny. again if I was scum I would’ve just collapsed. I am terrible at defending myself regardless of alignment, but as Town I put in the effort and really, really try to defend myself. it’s much harder as scum because you sorta have to get past the whole “people are scumreading me and it’s 100% legit, maybe their arguments are somehow valid even if they sound like bullshit to me"

I do not think it is the same alignment who performed these actions on me, now that you mention it. I assumed when I saw that message that it was Town who poisoned me (dumb but it makes sense), and that it was scum who disabled my Watcher. like... Town would probably disable role blocker or Vengeful first, no? no reason to disable Watcher as Town, looks scummy as hell to me

but, before I go off topic, yes, now that you mention it, it is very unlikely both these actions were performed by the same alignment, they’d have no reason to do it.

one thing I was thinking of last night is, why did scum receive exactly two fake claims? 8v3 seems balanced, 9v2 is kinda horrible for a scum team, especially seeing what Mikal’s role does when he dies (skips the next night).

it is possible that 8v3 is the situation we find ourselves in, the third scum cannot use any of the fake claims given to the scum team, and so they had to shut down the whole mass claim idea immediately (they also have to pick who claims what, so maybe they have a hard time doing it in a way. that their fake claim kinda “resembles” their actual role, in terms of what it does, who they would visit, etc

there’s also another possibility, which is what I was considering most heavily last night, that we are in a 8v2v1 world, mafia has one fake claim, SK has another fake claim, in which case perhaps the Mafia thought two things when I was pushed

1) I am Serial Killer

2) need to shut down mass claims instantly (1 - is less likely)

I’ll also be rereading the game. was going to but work prevented me from using the full time to do back reading, and after that I had the dark portal opening in wow classic so...

because if you’er gonna have an argument with a person you need to consider their entire argument and not just act like an edgy teenager trying to win a fight by nitpicking on literally their worst argument

this is a team game and not debate olympics

you replied to the only part that was attackable? lol

maybe, but Lunatic feels extremely scummy to me. he would shoot down every point I made as to why I was town, literally the exchange went

Lunatic: why X?

Me: Because Y (true)

Lunatic: That cannot be, your argument is invalid

-- (reality is invalid) --

or

Lunatic: Why X?

Me: Because Y

Lunatic: Y is scummy

*screams into the aether*

I just can’t think someone this utterly convinced someone is scum ON DAY ONE is Town. especially since after I had that major freak out, he would say ridiculously scummy things like “we can afford a mislynch"

I realise my tone isn’t helping me, because I’m loud and I’m angry, but think about it, why would Town be so confident of a player’s alignment on D1, then backtrack and say “gee he’s probably Town but we can afford the mislynch”? it’s literally anticipating a Town flip (TMI) and also opportunistically trying to push a Lynch through at all cost

why would a scum role even tell you you lost favour, if said scum role was the reason for it, AND also tell you the identity of the person? isn’t that kinda pointless

as much as I hate these hypothetical scenarios that are very hard to get into because they’re not real,

if I was hypothetically scum, I do not think I would try so hard to save myself from you or from anyone, I would probably try to take one or two down with me, or use my night action opportunistically, and I don’t know why I would steal your favour specifically when you claimed Miller

I don’t care. I didn’t target you.

last night, I came to the conclusion, like 3 times, that Lunatic was probably scum, and that the train on me was scum driven, because it was too sudden and came seemingly out of nowhere. Lunatic/Pie might actually be a decent team in that theory

I have a suspicion scum were super against mass claim and desperately wanted to move the discussion away from that so they pushed me

VTL Lunatic

because mafia isn’t that black and white and it is possible you are telling the truth to your knowledge and that you were visited by some scum role. remember I wasn’t scumreading you yesterday. you saying this has potential causes that still allow you to be Town

VTL Wylted

not sure if Wylted is telling the truth or not about what happened to him. could be an attempt to bury me, not entirely sure why he would do that as scum.

it’s possible there was some scum fuckery with night actions last night, I have an idea in mind of what that could be, but I’d rather not bring it up until later.

although, idk if Wylted would try to Lynch me so hard at this point? seems like it would be pretty, easy for me to die and he wouldn’t have to make up a fake claim. dunno.

it’s probable you were visited by a Drug Dealer, a scum role that can give fake feedback

it’s weird that your favour decreased because I still have the same amount, 2.

I did not take any action last night. I can’t take any actions. I don’t know why you saw me stealing your favour

So my feedback tonight was that my Watcher ability lost its power (no fluff, just straight up mech feedback), and afterwards some stuff about how my vision wobbles or some such and that my life is in danger and I’m poisoned.

what exactly was your feedback? I did not visit anyone last night and cannot visit

good for you, not how I would use the role. not killing myself to kill someone who may or may not be scum unless I’m sure

and besides, why the hell would I be in favour of my own Lynch regardless of my role lol

doesn’t sound like fun

I’m not vengeful, YET. It’s my final ability, when I become Imperial Noble Consort.

and, obviously I’m against my own Lynch as a matter of principle, vengeful just means I get to take someone down with me when I die, I could easily just kill another Town with it instead of scum, which would be doubly stupid

mylo vengeful is a different story

I’m sorry for being so antagonistic, but this game has been frustrating on multiple levels. I literally had a headache yesterday over it.

how am I supposed to answer these questions? not the one who poisoned me

why would they vanillaise? because they’re scum and they know I’m Town and realise if I’m telling the truth about Watcher, it’s an ability they don’t want in the game? it’s not exactly rocket science

I already said why. because I wanted to use my role at LyLo.

if a vengeful gets lynched at MyLo/LyLo, it is almost guaranteed that the scum loses because they would 99% of the time out themselves at MyLo, so I would just kill the hammer voter and it would be almost GG after that

why would I lie about being poisoned?

see this is what I mention about it being impossible to talk to people

you are either fucking scum or you’re so tunnelled that you’ve already made up your mind on my alignment and you say retarded shit like this just to shut me up,

BUT SHUTTING ME UP IS ANTI-TOWN, YOU NEED TO KNOW IF I’M SCUM OR NOT