Magoroth

I think I townread Kohai and Wryly, and weaker townreads on Whiteflame and Thoth.

So that leaves [Mag1cman, Shining] as the team. But is it that simple?

Hm actually what kind of a breadcrumb is this? Why would you basically state you aren’t a Dayvig by saying your role is “Occasionally”?

I actually townread his insistence on using the Governor role, btw.

"Uh... Right. Fuck. This crazy gambit of his really blew up my POEs. I had a solidish town lean on Thoth, that's gone. He's just been too cagey, reckless, and deceitful this DP. Whatever scumhunting he was trying to do came at the cost of his credibility and town's efficiency imo. 

A dayvig really would've helped me narrow down the POE by eliminating him from suspicion. Governor does nothing. He could easily be scum straight claiming Governor, so even if he confirms his role this DP we've gotten no further.

Where the hell do I even go from here.

If Thoth is scum, I know his partner can only be Magoroth or Kohai.

If Thoth is not scum, then scum are popping champagne and celebrating right now because Thoth has distracted town from their trail very well with this play."

I townread this from Wryly but also disagree with it. I don’t understand what’s bad about Thoth’s play? It might be annoying but I don’t see it as genuinely anti-town.

BY THE WAY. I was considering gambiting by fake-claiming Vigilante (I do it a lot) and saying I would shoot someone, but I’m not going to do it anymore after a townie already gambited.

Thoth, did you seed/breadcrumb anywhere that you were gambiting?

Miller is 100% not in the setup, unless it’s not Kohai.

Yes, I know Hated and Miller are separate roles, but to me Hated kinda thematically fits with a Miller role. You hate someone so much you think they’re scum.

Obviously, a Hated with a hidden Miller modifier is ridiculously anti-town, to the point where I don’t think that role can exist.

Low hanging fruit. A townie that is easy to push/mislynch/scumread by many players.

I mean that there could be Millers or Godfathers who could affect my results. It would technically mean my role to my knowledge is legit except some other roles interfere with my results

"When Wylted shows up (if?) we may need to get a claim out of him."

A lot of Mag1cman’s early D1 stuff is very noncommittal. Doesn’t really want to be seen as pointing fingers, except at me, the popular LHF.

Yeah, Mag1c and Shining are high on my list, too.

Whiteflame seems townier than I gave him credit for.

He gives thoughts which are a little hard to fake as scum although not impossible. “I want to townread Thoth because I usually townread [...], but that’s bias, not a read”. Not an impossible thought to fake as scum but it’s somewhat towny

I don’t get how I’ve been weird about my role and I’m actually getting pretty frustrated with this accusation. Do you expect me to 100% trust information I get without questioning it?

Is it just because I said the host told me “100% accurate results”? Why would I trust anything other than 100% hard clears - as in, “your target is 100% scum and this result is GUARANTEED never to fire on a Town”, or behavioural tells, when mechanical information can be deliberately MISLEADING in a closed game?

100% accurate is an odd way of phrasing it - the host confirmed Godfather and Miller would affect my results, btw. Just that I am immune to being manipulated.

There’s nothing AI, Shining, about Thoth’s gambit or even his retraction. It’s neither Town nor Scum, both alignments would retract under the circumstances Thoth found himself in.

Thoth, were you looking for something specific? Did you find any telling information from your gambit?

Why no lynch?

Can you post your flavour paraphrased?

Is there anything that hints at people thinking you’re Mafia?

On the other hand Matt Eberflus never actually interacted with Cody Parkey in any relevant way as far as I can tell.

So maybe I’m just reading too much into it.

Hated does imply a kind of Miller.

I wonder if that’s a slip from Mag1cman, Godfather who is immune to detection and would know Matt Eberflus (Kohai) is most probably Miller.

Since Kohai never actually said he’s a Miller.

Can we get full character claims? From everyone in [Kohai, Mag1cman, Whiteflame]?

In 2019, I missed a kick that woulda won the game from 43 yards. I hit it off the left and right crossbar (?).

I am also specifically told this is something I was known for doing a lot that season.

If the flavour is meaningful in any way, it kinda does imply I can see certain Mafia as Town or Town as Mafia.

Can everyone take a look at their character claims and verify if maybe the flavour hints at some part of their role that is hidden to them?

Kohai, I am sure you would’ve claimed it by now, but you are 100% not a Miller or something, correct?

Actually, are we allowed to dump our character claims verbatim? I assume we aren’t?

Also @Shining from what you say if anything Thoth looks like Town to me. I could see a Town AFKing after stating a sure scumread on someone. maybe he was afraid he was wrong and that’s why he didn’t go into details.

and the inconsistency you mention, I actually find town indicative. usually town are more inconsistent. I’m less inconsistent as scum personally.

I am thinking that my role probably IS useful, as it can detect actual information, but it probably sees either one Mafia as Town or one Town as Mafia, but not both.

meaning, I believe that it’s possible for there to be two scum in [Kohai, Mag1cman, Whiteflame], although I’m unsure how likely it is.

Wryly’s comment about me being lynched could imply the scum are actually in [Wryly, Thoth, Shining].

A part of me wants to lynch Wryly, because in what world does a Town say “we should lynch you to verify if your PoE is legit” when that PoE may not even be 1) legit and 2) is incredibly weak, and actually useless in MyLo. It’s a way to drive a mislynch on a Town.

I could see 1) being a legitimate thought coming from a Town, but not 2).

no, I OMGUS you because you almost say I’m 100% confirmed scum and the reasons you give are B.S. “he’s fake"

literally anyone can say anyone else is fake so this reason is bullshit. you gotta give a significantly better reason than that or I’m gonna deathtunnel you.

anyone can say anyone else is fake, it’s a subjective thing which you can’t explain which is great cover if you’re scum and it makes it look like you’re scum hunting. so give an actual reason why I’m scum, or begone.

what is the purpose of me claiming what I claimed?

besides, why can I not be Town who acts fake?

okay... so apparently Miller would add +1 to the vote count if a Miller exists.

nobody in [Kohai, Mag1cman, etc] has claimed Miller so I assume Miller doesn’t exist. I will treat any Miller claim as a scum claim because Miller should IMMEDIATELY claim. Not claiming as Miller when you are one is stupid, it’s ridiculously anti-Town because it gives scum basically the possibility to fake claim whatever they want and get away with it.

only possibility is if there’s a Miller that doesn’t know they’re a Miller, and idk if that’s possible.

this is what I meant about my role not being reliable. I have no idea why people assume I have to trust mechanical information in a setup where we don’t know anything about the roles.

Yes, and your reasons were bs from my point of view. You’re calling me fake when I know I’m not being fake.

You can’t call someone fake without them attacking you when they know they aren’t being fake.

You’re overexplaining here, “not outing your reason for a read is stupid and one of my pet peeves"

Why the need to say this?

You can doubt my claim, but you haven’t explained shit why I’m scummy. You just said I’m scummy and my play reeks of scum or something even though I’m 100% legit. Explain yourself.

I’m not a fan of random people yelling I’m scum without explanation. Wend did that last game and he flipped Serial Killer.

You realise if I’m lynched my info is of very little help to you, especially in MyLo, right?

You have to pick between two sets of players that contain one scum, and you have a 33% chance of picking incorrectly, if you do it purely randomly. So why did you say my death is beneficial of you in any shape or form?

I do agree with you Thoth should explain his scum read on Whiteflame, but I don’t understand why you’re so aggressive towards him about this.

VTL Mag1cman

shining, what is your opinion on the people here?