Magoroth

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

VTL Whiteflame


I guess it’s up to the two of us to convince you to make the right or wrong decision, wryly.

I don’t who I would vote if I was in your shoes, but I’d probably vote myself based on how unlikely Cop/Sensor/Tracker are, and Whiteflame seemingly not being Godfather (unless you checked him last night?)


Magoroth

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Either way, either I’m scum and bluffing, or I’m town and telling you to Lynch me now so we don’t do it tomorrow. Switch the lynch to me, it’s a win win regardless of my alignment.

Magoroth

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Actually, switch the lynch to me.

Because, again, we lose if you Lynch me tomorrow.

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Why not Thoth?

Thoth could be a Framer who framed Whiteflame. Or Kohai. Idk if Framer would frame Kohai and it’s much more likely he could frame Whiteflame, if he had to frame anyone.

Magoroth

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

I can actually still hammer you. The question is, who do you Lynch tomorrow if I flip Town?

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Mag1cman, very important question, who are you lynching tomorrow if I flip Town?

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Not sure if that’s even possible considering his Governor claim, which didn’t look like a bluff. Idk.

feels like a crazy gambit as scum to bluff Governor then... say “oh jeez I forgot but good thing I didn’t switch"

unlikely as hell lol

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Wait, actually a Framer is possible. Thoth!Framer framed, idk, Whiteflame N1. Idk if anyone would do that, but it’s possible.

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

I want to trust Whiteflame here because Sensor + Cop + Tracker is a crazy setup and I don’t think it’s possible.

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Okay. That makes sense, thanks. I forgot about Redirector/Framer. I’m not very good at setup spec/mechanical stuff.


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Magoroth · 10 months ago

If Mag1cman flips Town, are you lynching me tomorrow?

Because, if he does, please lynch me now. I do not believe I am capable of convincing you that I am Town tomorrow.

I wil switch to Mag1cman, but only if you say you’re not lynching me tomorrow if he flips Town. Otherwise, please lynch me.

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Can you please switch to Whiteflame? I think Whiteflame is much smarter than this and he wouldn’t have such strong opinions when there’s a claimed cop and sensor who almost 100% make him confirmed scum. it’s bloody weird.


I think if I was Whiteflame, and I was in this situation, I would either disbelieve my claim, Mag1cman’s, or Thoth’s. I certainly don’t understand why he thinks Thoth has to be town.

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

I may be getting as tunnelled as Mag1cman, but Whiteflame’s insistence feels weird. It’s weird to insist on Thoth and Wryly being “basically confirmed Town” when from his perspective, there’s an unexplained “100% scum” between him and Mag1cman from me, when Mag1cman has a clear on him. it just doesn’t make sense.

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Whiteflame, how is anyone town confirmed if Mag1cman is scum?


because it either means you’re some kinda crazy Miller role that you don’t even know about or there’s a Framer/Redirector, in which case, mechanically speaking, it could actually be anyone in this game...

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

If you’re gonna lynch me, please lynch me now. This is not frustration speaking, because if you don’t trust me if the person we lynch today flips Town, we are going for a 100% town loss, that is kinda partially on my head. so please, if you don’t trust me if either of those two flips Town, Lynch me right now and you’ll have a chance tomorrow.


I do wonder who dies tomorrow, though.


if Whiteflame really is bodyguard there’s no way he survives tonight, but if he doesn’t survive, would Mag1cman kill him? Idk. We’ll see.

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

It might be better if you lynch me now. I’d rather not get mislynched at LyLo.


So, the options are, either you Lynch me now, or you trust me all the game. there is literally no other option.


then you have to pick between [Thoth, Whiteflame, Mag1cman]. I probably think Thoth is the least likely to be scum in this group but I don’t like the fact that he disappeared after a hard town clear on him. would be pretty funny if all four of us were Town and Thoth was scum, just... letting us fight each other

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Okay I think whiteflame is scum.


He just gives ridiculously solid reasons to townread me then he votes me. Lynch whiteflame when I flip Sensor.

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

Okay, maybe it’s not a contradiction. It’s still weird for you to be claiming I’ve been under the spotlight and that’s why I’m “obvious” whereas Whiteflame isn’t, when in fact I’ve been “obvious” all game. The natural conclusion is that it has nothing to do with me being under the spotlight and I’m just not sure. I think you’re either scum or you’re ridiculously tunnelled.

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

But then again if he is scum, then how does this setup make any sense?


Idk. Crazy. Maybe we should just ignore claims. I don’t know what to think. I don’t like the fact that Thoth disappeared after becoming borderline confirmed Town.


Let’s assume for a moment Thoth really is Governor, but that he’s also Framer or Redirector or something. Does that make sense as scum? Idk.

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Magoroth · 10 months ago

I hope Whiteflame flips scum, because I probably will die tomorrow if he doesn’t.