Magoroth

ILikePie5 wrote:

you too for #26 plz

Gonna go on a limb here and say 5 is unlikely to be a lie. Most games here don’t have more than one Vanilla and I feel like scum wouldn’t make up a lie that is not likely to be believed.

1 could possibly be a lie. it’s rather hard to verify because it would require flipping everyone in the game if the third party doesn’t exist. would be a decent lie for scum to come up with.

2 I think from what Lunatic told me, he doesn’t really do games with paranoia (?), so this could be a lie. very probable one IMO. I don’t think Lunatic would give scum the ability to lie to us AND a Tailor. It feels too scum sided.

3 seems like a very egregious lie, which again I don’t think the scum would feed us. It’s just too on the nose.

4 I don’t understand what this means

Banana wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

can we plz be girls girls this game. men are stupid

i tried tell u about the patriarchy and u didn’t believe me. u should have known cuz im the smarter race

Jew? Asian?

I have a feeling there’s a trap in those mechanics Lunatic posted. Feels like it would be really easy to figure out which of those is a lie and would in fact give a lot of information on the game, which I assume Lunatic wouldn’t want.

All of those have edge cases where it might not be true yet it appears at a glance that it is (or vice versa).

Banana wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

Banana wrote:

i think it’s 1 or 2. 1 becuz mafia want us to be paranoid about 3p and waste time hunting them and 2 bcuz again is causes paranoia n confusion which mafia want more of. i dont think the other ones help them much.

omg slayyy

uh r u a girl or a gay man lol

Did you just assume their gender identity?

Kohai wrote:

Me dink me has tooooo mucj wyne at da shabt tbl

Are you cosplaying as RM?

Wait this game started?

Gee gee. Hopefully next game I won’t die day 1 lol.

Just dumping one of my setups here. Feel free to host this if yo want to. I may host it in the future.

Nearly all roles with only like two-three exceptions can be of any alignment, so mass claim isn’t a feasible strategy here.

Patriots

Hidden Patriot

Hidden Patriot

Hidden Patriot

Hidden Patriot

Citizen

Citizen

Citizen

Citizen

Citizen

Citizen

Loyalists

Hidden Loyalist

Hidden Loyalist

Hidden Loyalist

Role Cards

Citizen 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: None]

Armoursmith 

[Alignment: Patriot]

[Ability: Craft a one-use bulletproof vest at night, and gift it to a player of your choice.]

[Special: You cannot target yourself.]

Gunsmith 

[Alignment: Patriot]

[Ability: Craft a one-use gun at night, and gift it to a player of your choice.]

[Special: You CAN target yourself.]

Blacksmith 

[Alignment: Loyalist]

[Ability: Craft a one-use gun or bulletproof vest at night, gifting it to a player of your choice.]

[Special: You CAN target yourself.]

Escort 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Roleblock a player at night.]

[Special: Your target will be informed they were role blocked.]

[Pertinent Rulings: You cannot be role blocked.]

Chemist 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Poison a player, causing them to die at the end of the ensuing day.]

Electromaniac 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Charge a player at night. If one charged player ever visits another charged player, both will die.]

[Special: On NP1, you may charge two players.]

[Pertinent Rulings: Your targets will be informed they were charged.]

Physician 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Heal a player at night, protecting them against one attack.]

[Special: You are told if your target is attacked or not, and they will also receive feedback.]

Stagecoach Driver 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Swap two players at night, redirecting actions that target one to instead hit the other. ]

[Special: You CAN target yourself.]

[Pertinent Rulings: You appear to visit your first target to Trackers.]

Snitch 

[Alignment: Patriot]

[Ability: Target a player at night. If you die, their role (but not alignment) will be revealed.]

[Special: Your choice of targets cannot be manipulated, and you are immune to role block.]

Spoiler: Tracker 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Target a player at night to learn who they visited.]

Spoiler: Scout 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Target a player at night to learn who visited them.]

Spoiler: Investigator 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Target a player at night to learn their exact role.]

Spoiler: Janitor 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Clean a target's role. If they die that night or during the ensuing day, their role will not be revealed.]

Spoiler: Bartender 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Intoxicate a player at night, giving them fake feedback of your choice.]

Spoiler: Coward 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Hide behind a player, redirecting all actions targeting you to them.]

[Special: You can only hide twice.]

Spoiler: Tailor 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Suit a player, causing them to flip a role of your choice. You may also edit their last will.]

[Special: You have one charge.]

Spoiler: Operator 

[Alignment: Patriot/Loyalist]

[Ability: Swap two players' targets at night, causing actions taken by one to instead hit the other's target.]

[Special: You cannot target yourself.]

[Pertinent Rulings: You appear to visit your first target to Trackers.]

Order of Operations

0. Using a vest happens 

immediately

.

1. Electromaniac visits

2. Snitch witnesses

-- the following night actions will cycle until resolved --

3. Operator switches targets’ actions

4. Bus Driver busses

5. Coward hides

6. Escort role blocks

-- end cycle --

7. Blacksmith smiths an item

8. Gunsmith/Armorsmith smith an item

9. Tailor suits up

10. Doctor heals

11. Investigator checks

12. Janitor sanitises

13. Bartender gives fake feedback

14. Chemist poisons

15. Tracker and Watcher shadow a player

16. Electromaniac kill happens

16. Loyalist Factional Kill

17. Guns are used

Potential Feedback

Items 

You received an item last night:

[no][ARMOR/GUN][/no]

You used your bulletproof vest last night; you were not attacked.

You used your bulletproof vest, and you were attacked last night!

You attacked X using your one-use gun.

Escort 

An attractive individual approached you last night and spent the night with you. You were role blocked!

An attractive individual approached you last night, but you brushed them off. Role block averted!

You role blocked [INTENDED TARGET] last night.

Chemist 

You were poisoned last night. You will die at the end of the day.

You poisoned [INTENDED TARGET] last night. They will die at the end of the day.

Electromaniac 

You were charged last night.

You charged [INTENDED TARGET1] and [INTENDED TARGET2] last night. They did not visit one another.

You charged [INTENDED TARGET1] and [INTENDED TARGET2] last night, and they visited one another!

Physician 

You were attacked and left for dead, but a mysterious stranger nursed you back to health.

Stagecoach Driver 

You bussed X and Y last night.

You were bussed!

Tracker 

You shadowed [INTENDED TARGET] last night. They visited X/nobody.

Scout 

You shadowed [INTENDED TARGET] last night. They were visited by X, Y, Z/nobody.

Investigator 

You investigated [INTENDED TARGET] last night. Their role is: 

Coward 

You hid behind X last night.

Tailor 

You suited [INTENDED TARGET] last night, causing them to appear as " " if they flip.

Operator 

You switched X and Y last night, swapping their targets. X will now target Y's target, and vice versa.

You feel a dominating spell controlling your actions. You were visited by an Operator!

Mechanics 

Days last 72 hours, nights last 24.

Plurality with majority - the player with the most votes by EoD will be lynched. Hammering is enabled and requires more than 50% of total votes.

Ties are resolved by RNG.

The day may be skipped with no lynch by voting for “skip day”.

Last wills allowed. A last will is a message that is displayed upon death if you don’t get sanitised by a Janitor. Used for reads, PR night actions, etc.

Suicide not allowed.

The Scum are allowed to use both their factional kill as well as their role's ability.

Win Conditions

Eliminate the opposite team.

-- Cycle the following night actions until resolved: --

1. Redirector controls someone/

2. Bus Driver busses

3. Coward/Hider hides

4. Roleblocker role blocks

-- end cycle --

I will cycle the night actions involving these roles a random number of times from 2 to 4. 

If there are any cycles, I will run the odds of which night actions are likely to occur (as in, which swap/bus drive), and then randomly select which action goes through. 

Example:

{A = Bus Driver, B = Escort, C = Mafia}

A: Bus A/C

B: Roleblock C

C: Attack A

I RNG and find out I should run the night actions twice.

The current night action are:

A => {A}

=> {C}

B: => {C} (role block)

C: => {A}

First, the bussing happens:

A => {A}

=> {C}

B => {A}

C => {}

Then, the roleblocking is done:

A /=> {A}

/=> {C}

B => {A}

C => {C}

The bussing tries to run again and fails, as the Roleblocker is targeting the Bus Driver after the first cycle:

B => {A}

C => {C}

then the roleblocking again

B => {A}

C => {C}

there are no loops, the night actions are resolvable, so it ends with the escort roleblocking the Bus Driver, and the Mafia killing itself.

Purely probabilistically, ignoring information, assuming a random Lynch every day, assuming there’s no CC:

Scenario 1:

60% chance of lynching town D1 -> 50% chance of lynching town d2 -> 30% chance scum wins by D2

Scenario 2a/b

4 v 2 -> 3 v 1 -> 2 v1 ->

60% chance of lynching town D1 -> 50% chance of lynching scum d2 -> 66% chance of lynching Town D3 (2v1) -> 10% chance scum wins D4, 10% chance Town wins D4

Scenario 3:

60% chance of lynching Town D1 -> 50% chance of lynching scum d2 -> 33% chance of lynching Scum 3 -> 10% chance

Scenario 4:

4v1 -> 4v0

40% chance of lynching Scum D1 -> 25% chance of lynching scum D2 -> 10% Town

Scenario 5:

4v1 -> 3v1 -> 2v1 -> 1v1

40% -> 75% -> 66% -> 50% = 4/10 * 3/4 * 2/3 * 1/2 = 10% Scum

Scenario 6:

4 v 1 -> 3v1 -> 3v0

...

Too many to list. I don’t think there are that many but I don’t wanna continue. From a purely random Lynch perspective (which doesn’t exist), I think the setup is balanced. I’ll think about this tomorrow.

Helz wrote:

Intentionally not saying this in the sign up thread but really optimal play breaks down in towns favor in every way.

Lazy Sheriff reveals. Scum CC's or does not

If they CC they go 1v1 50% RNG followed by loosing a player the next night (if they win.) Bad gamble to take. Everything goes right they enter a 3v1 D3. If its wrong its a 4v1 D2

If they do not CC town plays follow the sheriff. He picks 1 townie to keep alive and they eliminate in order of scummy with a 60% RNG chance and days of information to conclude who the finalist will be.

I do not think scum has a chance in this one tbh.

Maybe scum should win a 2v1?

Thoth wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

There isn’t one

Sounds like low-effort game design if you ask me

You mean lazy?

1. Mag1cman
2. Kohai (host too lazy to care)
3. Ultracrepidarian
4. n/a
5. n/a
6. n/a

1. Mag1cman
2. Kohai (host too lazy to care)
3. n/a
4. n/a
5. n/a
6. n/a

Thoth wrote:

What is the difference between Lazy Mafioso and Lazy Godfather?

There isn’t one

Kohai wrote:

I’m too lazy to join

😂

I’m too lazy to care.

Role PMs

Lazy Town Sheriff

Description: You are a member of law enforcement who’s too fucking lazy to do anything.

Ability: You have the power to vote.

Lazy Town Citizen

Description: A lazy person who wants to lynch all criminals and evil doers, whilst sitting on his couch at home, eating chips.

Ability: You have the power to vote.

Lazy Mafia Mafioso

Description: You are the laziest man the Italian Mafia has to offer. How you’re even still in the Organisation and aren’t sleeping with the fishes is a mystery. You like to hang out with the Godfather and talk shit about the Cops.

Ability: Talk to the Godfather during the day, privately. You have the power to vote.

Lazy Mafia Godfather

Description: The cappo; the one and only, the King of the Couch Potatoes. You truly define the spirit of your organisation.

Ability: Talk to the Mafioso during the day privately. You have the power to vote.

Need 6 players for this one.

Link to setup

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/in Lazy Mafia 6p

Lunatic wrote:

Lazy sherriff is basically just a confirmed townie unless maf are bold enough to 1 v 1 it with a counter claim

Yep

A quick, easy, simple nightless Mafia game

Town -

1 Lazy Sheriff

3 Lazy Citizen

Mafia -

1 Lazy Mafioso

1 Lazy Godfather

No roles have night abilities or abilities of any kind.

Mafia has a private daychat.

On D1, due to a lazy bureaucracy, only 3 votes are required for a majority.

Lynch is mandatory every single day.

Days last 48 hours or until a lynch is achieved.

Win condition: Town must lynch the Mafia, Mafia has to achieve vote parity.

Lunatic wrote:

Thoth wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

Bro the day phase is over. Time limit ended. We almost didnt get a lynch off. literally rex hammered with two minutes remaining. Do better.

And you are whining now that you mislynched? You think that is preferable to no-lynching? Lmao do better

I didn't whine that I mislynched. I dont think we mislynched. Im still waiting on the flip.

I still don’t understand WTF there is to debate. Pie literally posts alignment at the end of the day. There’s “nothing” to “think”, there’s 0 reason for me to lie. I’d get outed literally at the start of the night. Why keep pretending? Makes 0 sense

Can you explain in what way you having a confirmed or near confirmed Town at, say, MyLo, assuming I lived that long, is worse than getting “information” from lynching said confirmed Town?

It also doesn’t help that this take isn’t really game related. Pretty scummy to talk about tactics and strategy ngl

It’s so retarded only Mafia players could come up with it.

Is it a good idea to look for info in case someone flips Town. Yes.

Is it a good idea to pick between flips that you aren’t sure of and default to the one with the highest information. yes

Does it mean you should Lynch Town because you’ll get “INFORMATION” out of it? What information do you get out of most Town flips that didn’t exist before the flip?

RexFavilla wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

But yeah Rex saying he’s confident I’m Town and then hammering me anyway at the end of the day is at best horrible play. At worst it’s scummy as fuck. If there are Cops or whatever check Rex tonight, thanks.

I've done this multiple times. I would literally lynch confirmed town if they were the only viable target. No lynching DP1 is retarded, and I will never sanction it. It starves town of information because it creates a norm where scum can noncommittally support wagons and then just let them fizzle out and renders post hoc analysis completely pointless. You NEED to follow through and lynch someone.

How does lynching a Town, a 100% minus to your win condition, get balanced out by fictitious information, which 99% of the time people don’t even know how to interpret it anyways?

whiteflame wrote:

Magoroth wrote:

If this is the case then Mag1c is likely Town. Not a super strong read because I think it’s possible to fake what he said w.r.t “the scum team isn’t here”.

Also and you can take this to be 99% true, there is at most 1 scum in Bullish and Mag1c. No way they’re both scum. Please take this advice because I have reasons for believing this but I don’t have time to go into detail

I appreciate the last minute thoughts. I agree, I don't think it's possible they're scum together, though I'm hesitant to say one of them is absolutely scum.

I don’t think one is necessarily scum BUT if there is scum there, I just cannot see both of them being scum.

Anyway that’s all good night

Not that it matters but it specifically says I am “THE” Strengthener. No other Strengthener is possible, is what this means.

Last but not least. My role card does not really mention other chemical elements. With a role like Caesium, which is so reactive it has to be stored in mineral oil or it reacts with EVERYTHING, I’d expect it possible that other elements get mentioned. I could also see this for Calcium but less so. It’s possible all claims ae just kinda generic and don’t mention other elements