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I told Wryly that if I were the NK she should tunnel Pie hard, thinking that the two possibilities were killing me in the night or mislynching me for scumPie this DP. The fact that I was the immediate push for a mislynch from him makes sense with the Wryly kill - it was a kill meant to take out a possible power role, a widely townread player, and one which would isolate me and allow Pie to mislynch me more easily. Wryly was also one of the first people to scumread Pie, even though I had been doing so for a bit before going public with it last DP.

VTL Pie

Come on now, is anyone really buying this?

In fact, that would be good for town as it would cause scum to waste the role on you as long as you didn't use it, allowing investigative and protective roles to go off without being manipulated (well, if you hadn't lynched/nked them all)

Or here’s an idea. Keep my role and character hidden so scum like you don’t know what it is and take advantage of it. For example, what if your side has a redirector. You could redirect me to a townie and take 2 kills and essentially win the game.

Ummm, except you didn't use it? Why on earth would you be worried about a redirector targeting you for a role which you claim to never have used?

Pie coming out with his night action claims only once he knew the Watcher/Tracker is dead is hella suss. The fact that he didn't outright counterclaim Earth is also suspect - doing so would set up a 1v1 in town's mind - if he thought Earth were scum he would have no problem with that, and it's not like his role has some crazy negative or positive utility where it would be a big problem to divulge - he can just choose not to use it, which is what he claims to have done already. If he is scum and ceru is town he knows that ceru isn't lying about his role and so would know since DP1 that there was a watcher/tracker. The only reason to play that card close to his chest would be to avoid having to claim his night actions while said watcher/tracker could contradict him. And to avoid setting up that 1v1, which he would see as a big risk if he knew that earth was a town power role and a disastrous mislynch for town.

That his bonds with others are important, especially the dude he's railing (hi Supa) and the main character. There's also a pun about backdoor communications.

I am no-ho hank, I'm the one time neighborizer. I chose Wryly, partly because I thought she TMId DP1 and might be scum and that she would find the chat unnerving and slip, but gradually came to see her as town over the course of DP1. Unfortunately, she never gave me her results for NP1, aside from saying that she visited me. I have no idea who she visited NP2.

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Maybe there's a small chance I'm wrong. Any results to share, I have none.

VTL Pie

I'm on the road right now but I see many of us sussed Pie. I listed my reasons and I thought he gave some decent responses. Why is he on y'all's scum pile?

His reasoning just seems stretched and more scant than in games where he was town. I don't share or understand many of his scum reads, and I've noticed subtle shifts to drive the lynch onto people who have scumread him this DP, which I interpret as an attempt to mold the late game by establishing himself as an uncontested town leader, not as an honest attempt to scum hunt. Trying to lynch our only claimed protective role with no counterclaim this DP also just seems insane to me from a town perspective, especially since we already lost an investigative role.

Pie is out of reach

How so? I see him in four scum piles.

Name your top three people you would be willing to lynch right now. I’ll start:

Thoth, Shining, Cerulean

Pie, Supa, Thoth

Didn't think of Jailbreaker being an easy cover for an RB. Whether the justification works, eh idk. He did claim with minimal pressure.

My issue with that is that it's pretty ballsy to be the first dude to claim a protective role as scum. The counterclaim risk would be pretty high.

VTL Supa

Why Earth? Why a mass claim?

Big thing that sticks out on a reread of DP1 is that Luna is a bizarre kill choice if Ceru is scum, as an iso on Luna reveals him to be one of the only people pushing back against Ceru's lynch.

Also, that we should have killed Ceru over Kohai, it would have been a lot more revealing. Kohai flips aren't worth much since he acts so scummy as town.

Just role, no affiliation.

Post more tomorrow, too busy today. Have only read 1/2 of last DP so far, it's been a busy weekend. Lots of snow.

Vibes-based townread

You should have received something that confirms it. I'd like to keep what it is on the downlow for now ;)

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VTL Kohai

Ceru or Kohai, who are we stringing up?

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I dunno DP1 is 95% wifom bullshit I'll lynch whoever.

I can prove my role tomorrow please don't kill me :3

I am town reading them for SOP claiming a negative utility role which is exactly what I would expect from a townie and not a mafia person

The reason this is usually read as town is because scum who do it risk a counterclaim, so while it has rewards for them it also has risks. The incredibly vague way that Ceru claimed eliminates that risk of a counterclaim, so I don't see how it warrants a town read.

Also #NoRegrets will burn even more shit to the ground if anyone ever makes me a fucking TP again

I don't blame you one bit. I absolutely hate being 3p.

3P is actually my favorite alignment. Especially winsteal TP. I'm jealous, lol. The opportunity to be the ultimate scumbag.

VTL Wryly for burning my ass.

I'll play

We wouldn't have NKd her because she had claimed a protective role, same reason we didn't kill you. We knew she wasn't scum and didn't think she would randomly claim a protective role with a flipped doc unless she actually had one. If we missed on that kill, whatever glimmer of a hope we had of winning would have failed. And she did have a 1x commuter, and I would have thought she would have saved it for the late game as a TP survivor.