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If they did change the 22nd amendment so a third run was legal, Obama would run and kick Trump's fat ass so hard he would never find it. You remember Obama, he's that ex-President with the Nobel Peace Prize.


At Trump's current rate of cognitive decline, by 2028 he won't even know they are having an election anyway.



Sidewalker
Its no big deal for you, for you are ignorant of the quran that commands these people to kill or convert. To kill jews and christians, or humilate them through a tax.


Nonsense, the Quran does not say those things, you don't know what you are talking about,


One of the most fundamental truths established by the sacred texts is that no one can be compelled to accept Islam. It is the duty of Muslims to establish the proof of Islam to the people so that truth can be made clear from falsehood. After that, whoever wishes to accept Islam may do so and whoever wishes to continue upon unbelief may do so. No one should be threatened or harmed in any way if he does not wish to accept Islam.


"Let there be no compulsion in religion." (The Holy Qur’an, 2:256)


"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." (The Holy Qur’an, 109:6)


“So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to God, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in God’s sight are all of His servants.” (The Holy Quran 3:20)


"If it had been the will of your Lord that all the people of the world should be believers, all the people of the earth would have believed!

Would you then compel mankind against their will to believe?" (The Holy Qur’an, 10:99)


"(O Prophet) proclaim: 'This is the Truth from your Lord. Now let him who will, believe in it, and him who will, deny it.'" (The Holy Qur’an,

18:29)


"If they turn away from thee (O Muhammad) they should know that We have not sent you to be their keeper. Your only duty is to convey My

message." (The Holy Qur’an, 42:48)



Sidewalker

AI Overview:


The "man vs. bear" debate was widely discussed within incel communities, who used it as evidence for their misogynistic worldview. The online trend, where women overwhelmingly chose a bear over a man in a hypothetical forest scenario, became a focal point for incel anger and resentment toward women and wider society. 


Background on the man vs. bear debate

The viral social media trend presented women with a hypothetical question: would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear? The majority of women answered they would prefer the bear. Their reasoning centered on: 

  1. Predictable intentions: A bear's intentions are seen as primal and clear—it will either ignore you or attack. This is contrasted with a random man, whose unknown intentions provoke fear and anxiety.
  2. Belief and justice: Women expressed a fear that if a bear attacked them, they would be believed and receive sympathy. In contrast, if a man attacked them, they might spend the rest of their lives fighting to be believed, with potential blame and skepticism directed at them.
  3. Reflecting real-world fears: For many women, the hypothetical was not literal but a way to illustrate the pervasive, everyday fear of gender-based violence and harassment they experience from men. 


Incels' reaction to the debate

Incels and other members of the manosphere seized on the trend as a confirmation of their existing beliefs, though their interpretation differed significantly from the women who initiated the discussion. Key incel responses included:

  1. "Proving" women are irrational: Incels argued that choosing a bear over a man is statistically irrational, as fatal bear attacks are far more common than attacks from a random man. They dismissed women's responses as illogical and emotional, failing to engage with the deeper social commentary on fear and safety.
  2. Claiming to be victims of misandry: Incels interpreted the trend as blatant misandry (the hatred of men) and proof that women unfairly generalize and despise all men. This framed men as the real victims in the debate, justifying their own pre-existing resentment.
  3. Reinforcing the "black pill" ideology: The incel concept of the "black pill" is a deterministic and pessimistic view that genetics and appearance are the sole determinants of one's romantic success. The man vs. bear debate was twisted to support this ideology, suggesting women's preferences were shallow or biased and that men were doomed to be unwanted.
  4. Deflecting from the issue of male violence: Instead of confronting the issues of harassment and violence against women that the debate highlighted, incels used it as a platform to air grievances and invalidate women's fears. Some even responded with aggressive threats and harassment toward women on social media, ironically proving the very point women were making about men's potential for violence.
  5. Demonstrating misunderstanding of the hypothetical: The incel reaction frequently involved taking the hypothetical question literally and providing statistics on animal attacks, which demonstrated a fundamental inability or unwillingness to understand the emotional and social subtext that women were expressing. 


Sidewalker

AI Overview:


The phrase "man vs. bear" has been co-opted by the incel subculture and other parts of the "manosphere" to justify misogynistic views. The debate began as a viral social media trend where women were asked if they would rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear, with many choosing the bear. 


Origin of the debate

The "man vs. bear" question was initially intended to highlight the everyday fear many women experience regarding male violence and unpredictability. 


  1. A bear's intentions are clear: Women explained that a bear's threat is an understandable, primal danger. If attacked by a bear, they would be universally believed.
  2. A man's intentions are not: Conversely, they pointed out that a man's intentions are ambiguous. If attacked by a man, a woman might have to fight for her credibility. 


The incel subculture's response

Many men, particularly within incel communities, responded with anger and resentment, misinterpreting the women's reasoning. This reaction amplified the issue and made it fodder for the incel subculture's ideology of misogyny and victimhood. Incels and other manosphere groups used the debate to: 


  1. Further dehumanize women: They interpreted women's preference for a bear as a sign that women irrationally hate and fear men. This fueled existing incel rhetoric that women are cruel, shallow, and manipulated by a "feminist gynarchy".
  2. Frame themselves as victims: Incels often discussed the debate as proof that society unjustly demonizes men. This fits their core ideology of aggrieved entitlement and self-pity, positioning themselves as victims who are unfairly left behind in the "sexual marketplace".
  3. Justify their hateful worldview: The controversy became another data point for their belief system, particularly the "blackpill" ideology, which preaches that their situation is hopeless due to women's innate sexual preferences and that no self-improvement will help.
  4. Condone or encourage violence: Some incels used the debate to reinforce their belief that violence is a justified response to their perceived oppression. The logic extends to the idea that if women are already terrified of them, there is no consequence for acting on their violent and misogynistic fantasies. 


Wider context

The "man vs. bear" debate in the incel subculture is an example of how a mainstream discussion about gender dynamics can be absorbed and twisted by extremist online communities to advance their hateful narratives. It showcases the incel movement's deep-seated misogyny and its tendency to frame men's issues, including those rooted in toxic masculinity, as the fault of women and feminism. 


Sidewalker
All religions are cults and religion isn't immoral. You can justify anything with a religion. Just treat MAGA the same way as Catholics, alright?


Non-sequitur, you were expressing support for Pedophilia, please pay attention.


BTW, support for Pedophilia is common and growing in the incel subculture.


The Angry Echo Chamber: A Study of Extremist and Emotional Language Changes in Incel Communities Over Time - Melissa S. de Roos, Laura Veldhuizen-Ochodničanová, Alexis Hanna, 2024

...

In addition to the complex nature of group identification within this subculture, another pressing concern is the association between incel communities and deviant sexual interests, such as the large amount of support for pedophilia as highlighted in a recent report (Center for Countering Digital Hate, 2022). Alarmingly, this report revealed that over half of the users on the incels.is forum expressed support for pedophilia and over a quarter of users posted words associated with pedophilia such as “loli” and “jb” (short for jailbait), both of which refer to girls who are under the age of consent.

,,,


Study: Incel Site Relaxed Its Pedophilia Rules Amid Rise in Violence - Business Insider

,,,

"Over a quarter of incel forum users have posted pedophilia keywords, and discussions of pedophilia show 53% of posters are supportive," the study said, based on postings from over 1,143 unique users.

,,,


The Incelosphere — Center for Countering Digital Hate | CCDH

,,,

This new in-depth study by the CCDH’s Quant Lab shows a 59% increase in mentions of mass attacks, widespread approval of sexual violence against women, with 9 in 10 posters supportive, and support for pedophilia, with the rules explicitly changing in March 2022 to permit the sexualization of ‘pubescent minors’.

,,,

  1. Forum’s rules changed to permit the sexualization of “pubescent minors”. Analysis of discussions of pedophilia on the forum show that 53% of posters are supportive of sexual violence against children.


Sidewalker
Non-leftist men = incel men. What's wrong with that?


incel

noun: incel; plural noun: incels


a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active.


What does the term ‘incel’ mean? | CNN


Predicting harm among incels (involuntary celibates): the roles of mental health, ideological belief and social networking (accessible) - GOV.UK

Sidewalker
Thank you, unfortunately I’ve been traveling and will be again soon but intend to reply. Great post

I just got back from out of town, went to the International Storytelling Festival in Jonesborough TN, it was a fantastic, good time, I highly recommend it.


Thanks, look forward to discussion.

Sidewalker
Let the guy have his opinion. All this mocking you guys do is only proving his point to him.


Nobody said he can't have his opinion, no matter how unhinged it is.


The guy is absolutely desperate for attention; the gist of every single post is "look at me. look at me".


We are just giving him what he wants.



Sidewalker
While I don't think this recent Chicago raid was 'good,
I don't understand how it is 'new.


Maybe it's not new, but it's news.


I'm not trying to say it isn't important,
But I think I am not understanding what you think makes it new and new concerning.


I didn't see him say it was new, why is that important anyway.


Fascism has been done before too, that doesn't mean addressing it isn't urgent.


I think it is concerning, but old concerning.
Though something that we as a nation should still work on.


I really don't understand the point you are trying to make.


Sidewalker
It takes a massive systemic concession for me to have a chance of letting it go. I've let certain things go before (ex: Believe women, vaccine mandates) but the left had to massively concede. This time is different because of how much the left preaches about, "human rights" but then performs this stunt.

Letting go = conceding unless the other side conceded first.

The left should not win on the Man v Bear issue (otherwise it means no human rights for men). But men are fine with being viewed as worse than murderous bears if it means free sex and a hot woman to look at.


Sidewalker
Day 547 of Remy not being able to let go of man vs bear


I was thinking the same thing, he has been obsessed with the man vs bear thing.


Do you suppose it is just him, or is it a big thing with other incels too?

Sidewalker
My suggestion is just to make blocking all inclusive, where you cant debate with them, cant private message them, and cant see their comments on forums. 


I agree with this except for "cant see their comments on forums", I think that would make it hard to follow the conversation. One thing I would add, is when you block someone you also block yourself from being able to comment on their posts. A lot of people will block you but continue to comment on your posts, which is bullshit, if you block someone it should be blocked both ways.



Sidewalker
If you must know,

I already know.


my politics is officially stated in my State as "Independent," and unofficially as a Sermonist.

LOL, yeah, ICE officers hide behind masks, you hide behind a label, you are ashamed.


You figure it out, so I'll appreciate you cease and desist of calling me MAGFA or fascist. I am neither. 


Awwwww, does the truth hurt my little snowflake? I'm sorry you are so ashamed, poor baby.


Maybe this will make you feel better:


soft kitty, warm kitty,

little ball of fur.

happy kitty, sleepy kitty,

purr purr purr


soft kitty, warm kitty,

little ball of fur.

happy kitty, sleepy kitty,

purr purr purr


soft kitty, warm kitty,

little ball of fur.

happy kitty, sleepy kitty,

purr purr purr

Sidewalker
What's your solution if a foreign gang takes over an apartment building for years and the local government is too afraid/incompetent/complicit to do anything about it? Just accept it as a new normal?


You are saying attacking apartment buildings that don't have any foreign gang members, only citizens, is a solution to that problem?


Please explain the MAGA logic where that isn't stupid as shit.

Sidewalker
"If you can do it, it ain't bragging." Attributed to Dizzy Dean, Will Rogers, Satchel Paige, and Walt Whitman. 


You are so needy, it's pathetic.


But hey, keep trying to impress strangers, maybe it will make real life feel less empty.



Sidewalker

It depends on the movie, for instance feminists support Shoresy's "Spank Me Baby, Spank Me Baby, All Night Long"...but they probably don't support FLRW's "Shaving Ryan’s Privates" or Misterio's "Pulp Friction".

Sidewalker
Just make an estimate so you can continue the discussion.


As usual, he's having a discussion with himself, he certainly doesn't need me getting in between the voices in his head.

Sidewalker
Con tress was the legislative body responsible for keeping things like government running, not the President


That's in a Democratic Republic, in a Fascist Dictatorship, Trump is responsible.

Sidewalker
The Bible teaches that engaging in or consuming pornography can lead to addiction, relationship destruction, and separation from God's kingdom. 


Really? I missed that, Chapter and verse please, I would like to go read it again.

Sidewalker
https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/reports-statements/financial-report/government-financial-position-and-condition.html

According to the US Gov't's own assessment's latest figures [from 2024 - the Biden admin], total US Gov't assets are $5.2T, a little less than your estimate. If I can look this up, so can you. So, why don't you instead of offering personal opinion?


LOL, you are still babbling incoherently, again, maybe have someone read my post to you out loud, slowly. for comprehension.


After they read it slow, then ask them, but didn't Sidewalker make an estimate of some sort, they will say no, that is another one of your delusions, then, then you can ask them if your estimate is better then the one Sidewalker didn't make, they will say since he didn't make an estimate, so that is incoherent, then ask them why can't Sidewalker look up the estimate he didn't make to ensure its accurate, they will say, but he didn't make an estimate, so there's nothing to look up, then maybe you can ask them if he doesn't look up the estimate he didn't make then isn't he just offering personal opinion, and maybe they will try to explain to you how that logic thing works.


That, or you can just keep babbling incoherently about things that didn't happen, if that is what floats your boat, go for it Pumpkin.



Sidewalker

Hey, you forgot to tell us about your big brain, lay some IQ on us man, and use the best words.


If bragging on social media is what it takes to make you happy, you have a long way to go to find true happiness. People who brag on social media are doing so because they lack purpose, meaning, and happiness, you are desperate to get something from strangers that you aren’t getting from the people who know you and your situation in real life. If you have to brag about all of the material things in your life, it's because there isn’t much more to it.


“Bragging is often merely a ladder we build for ourselves out of words when we are afraid we are not tall enough in the eyes of the world. It is an unwitting confession to low self-esteem.” - P. M. Forni




Sidewalker

Assume debt, (sure, debt is high, but you don't even have to make payments).


Doesn't run, badly needs to be cleaned and refurbished, but previous owner monetized it to the tune of billions.


If you are OK with taking money from your children and grandchildren, this is an unbelievable bargain, act fast!

Sidewalker
It's an acronym.

I figured so

Though I suppose that it would be correct to say that potential entry/outlet ports number either 2 or 3.

OK, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Sidewalker
Ignoring the commentary, which is typical. blather, your four [not one] questions:


LOL, I'm sorry, but I am not Ariana Grande, try reading slowly for comprehension.


...would Trump voters say their life had improved?

Why ask what Trump would say?


OK, try that read slow for comprehension thing again, maybe have somebody read it to you out loud, maybe then you will recognize that nobody asked what Trump would say.


Don't you want to know if mat life has improved? Yes, it has.


Since that was actually the question, please do tell, how has your life improved.


I own [no mortgage] my largest home, my largest property, and highest elevation property, and sold my rental property in CA in 2019 at 17x its original value when purchased 40 years ago, and purchased a 40' sloop in 2019, cash, berthed in Newport Beach, where we generally spewed winter months. My gold is 10x its value, and my silver 3x its value when. they were purchased. I am happier, wealthier than I've ever been.


Far out man, all that shit happened in just 250 days, gee whiz, don't tell me, let me guess, before January 20th, you were living under a bridge and eating squirrel, right? No fucking wonder you are such a fanatic Trumper, fascism has really been good to you.


LOL, your reading comprehension problem is yuge, you misunderstand what you read bigly.


Has life got any better since Donald Trump was returned to the White House?

See above. Yes.


just so you know, Trump returned to the white house on January 20th, 2025, roughly 8 months ago.


Have your groceries gotten cheaper? Has your health insurance premium gone down?

I purchase less food and grow more myself. Yes. Being healthier than I was ten yearns ago, yes.


OK, again, the post you didn't comprehend, was about "since Trump returned to the White House", eight months, not ten years, but hey, I'm proud of you for being healthier, good job man. Whatever you do, don't take Tylenol, you could end up autistic.


Has the widespread suffering of others paid off for you in the way he promised it would, or are you still waiting?

Misery is generally self-caused. But I do take time to carer for others where I can help, donating roughly 20% of my increase and about 10 hours per week.


Uh huh, and aren't you an astronaut too?


If you felt the same, you wouldn't ask the questions... Nor would Ariana. As I said - Misery is generally self-caused.


Well, if I ever feel miserable, I'll take a big glass of fascism, that will cure me I'm sure LOL.


I guess Trump's rapid cognitive decline is contagious, you have descended into total incoherence in just 8 months.



Sidewalker
I’ve been thinking about the mythology of Genesis for a few years now.


I’m old as dirt and I was saying the same thing decades ago, let me warn you, it doesn’t stop, if you’re anything like me you’ll still be saying that decades from now. But hey, finally somebody who can have an intelligent conversation about Genesis, it’s about my favorite subject, especially late at night after a couple gummies, so I’ll apologize now for my verbosity.


For a while I was totally fixated on this part in particular:

To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
    through painful toil you will eat food from it
    all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
    and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
    you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
    since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
    and to dust you will return.”

It’s bizarre how in a way that is exactly what happened…if you compare the lifestyle of an animal at the top of the food chain (what human hunter gatherers basically were) to life in settled society. Especially the horrible, grinding, Malthusian, agricultural civilizations that dominated for millennia after that verse was written…yeah it really does seem like the price of knowledge is toil. Did Neolithic people view farming and agriculture as an irreversible mistake?


The Genesis 2 narrative is about the genesis of human consciousness, the fundamental change in the inner life of an animal that literally transform it into the first human being, Adam was not a proper name, it was the ancient Hebrew word for mankind. In the natural world, it was the birth of something new, it was a new beginning that represents a new life, with new potential and new opportunities to move beyond all previous limitations and constraints, and along with that new life came the deepest truths of human essence, and mankind was born. It is therefore a necessary preface to the Bible that introduces the birth of “free will” and sets an explanatory stage for exploring its attendant consequences and associated moral responsibility. It describes that event explicitly.


Animals know, but humans are a unique animal because we don’t just know, we know that we know, we possess self-reflective knowledge, and how that occurred, and the effect it had, is the story Genesis 2 is telling.


The fact of "knowledge" would be unaccountable without a distinction between subject and object, knowledge requires a distinction between the knowing subject and the reality known and our access to self-reflective consciousness achieved that, but when we ate from the fruit of that tree, we necessarily separated ourselves from perfection , we were no longer perfectly attuned to, and One with nature, we were "cast out of the garden of perfection", so to speak. The first humans were the first animals to image reality in a detached and symbolic manner, and everything that is distinctively human, language, culture, science, technology, it all followed from that "break" with the true reality we were once part of. We are separated from reality by this bifurcation of things into “us” and “not us”, by this “illusion” that reality is not an unbroken whole, the illusion that the whole is not greater than the parts, and the illusion that we can somehow stand outside of and apart from reality and face it. Genesis tells us that we stand apart from it and look upon the universe "as if we were Gods", seeing a “reflection”, an inverted and artificial image of ourselves as beings that are separate from reality. This made us detached who represent reality to ourselves symbolically, from this foundational change came a new world that would evolve into, morality, science, technology, art, philosophy, and religion, in short, produced the world of human culture.


Interestingly, evolutionary theory tells us that this “change of state” caused an unprecedented explosion in brain growth which resulted in something believed to be unique to humans. Because the brain explosively grew faster than the evolution allowed the female’s body to accommodate that growth in brain size, we alone have painful childbirth, and as a consequence “we conceive in sorrow”, so to speak.


Genesis is the oldest and deepest thing we have. These stories are so old, they were clearly passed around for a long time before being written down.


Good point, most people can’t understand Genesis because they don’t understand what it is, it is indeed a myth, a rich repository of wisdom that was an oral tradition handed down through the ages through narrative story telling. To understand it, we must recognize that Genesis was not originally linguistic in its true nature and it was never meant to be read in a linear, analytical fashion, as story telling it was fundamentally meant to convey images that take place in the inner world.

Our neural ability to process new ideas is dependent upon first being able to process new imagery, new ways of seeing precede new ways of thinking.


By viewing it through its imagery, with both hemispheres of thought involved in processing the narrative, we engage more of our brain’s interpretive mechanisms and learn to see in new ways. Consequently, the myth is activating generative forces at work in the brain and psyche to expand our awareness and enlarge our perception, which is what gives it the ability to promote personal growth and spiritual awakening.


Imo Genesis is not ripping of Mesopotamian folklore like Gilgamesh but rather they both have a common ancestor that’s much older


Genesis was never intended to be a literal description of events, it is a myth that symbolically expresses mankind's codified memory of events that occurred in our distant past. It is not literally true; it's more profound than that, rather it is the mythical embodiment of a deeper truth, an expression of an ultimate reality that just couldn't be expressed in any other way, especially 3500 years ago. Fundamental truths that resonated with every civilization as the stories evolved in time and space.


also the worldwide flood myths are pretty probably about the post ice age sea level rise imo. Most of the places humans lived would’ve gone underwater


No doubt, the historical sources were clearly the catastrophic floods at the end of the last ice age, to civilizations around the Black Sea, and especially Doggerland, they would surely be seen as global, whole Earth type events that persisted in our psyche for ages.


I suspect the ancient Greek myth of Atlantis is also based on these events.


Night.