Stephen

Stephen wrote:Which is your most trusted English bible?

Knobhead "DEBBY WROTE:The (NEW) Revised Standard Version , the (NEW) Jerusalem Bible, or the (NEW) American Standard Version are the recommended Bibles.The K8ng James Version is ok if you can understand the old English translation.

Then try reading at least one of them, you thick , dense bible dunce

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Your ignorance is catching up with you. In another post you finally admit both carried the cross to Golgotha

never once denied that biblical fact you lying twat.

I have maintained throughout that only one carried the cross to Golgotha and have never said any different.

The stone that sealed Jesus’s tomb was moved not to allow Jesus to exit, 

But there was no need to move anything, anywhere at all was there? Because according to you and faux Jesus had super powers that allowed him to walk through walls and doors. .

I said it from the beginning they both took turns

Nope. Go back and read what you wrote. When I first asked you, you was adamant the it was Jesus that carried the cross to Golgotha. I told he didn't because only one of the statements could be true. It was only after you were forced to go read it properly for yourself that you said that "both" carried the cross. Yet even that was wrong. AGAIN!! LOL

Just admit it thicko, you were wrong, and that you have never read you bible until challenged. You know fk all.

You finally accepted they both took turns 

I do, and have never denied that biblical fact stupid. But I will still stand by the biblical fact the Jesus DID NOT carry his cross all the way to Golgotha. because the BIBLE states clearly that it was Simon that carried it to Golgotha and NOT Jesus..

Look thicko, you lost the argument. Accept it, and move on you absolute bible dunce. Or do you want to carry on going around with you childish roundabout?

Stephen wrote: Jesus was already in the room and there was no miracle being able to walk through doors and walls.

Again you fail to understand the event described as a miracle in John 20:19-21.

Nope.

Are you sure that it was "listed" as a miracle, Bible DUNCE? and by whom was it listed as a "Miracle"?

And you didn't answer my question - Again!!

HERE IT IS AGAIN STUPID!

Why would the stone have to be rolled away for a man, formed of flesh blood and bone to exit and recovering from his severe wounds , if he was given these "extra powers"? as both you and faux believe he was given.

Stop it FFS.

What you saw as a contradiction was actually both people carrying the cross

You just cannot admit it can you? Indeed they did take turns but only one carried it to Golgotha. As I have shown you time and time again.

Nuances : I warned you about nuances and how important the are. i.e the Devil is in the detail.

The door was not open it was shut and locked 

Well again, this will depend on which contradictory gospel you choose e to believe doesn't it, you idiot? and I gave you the verses from YOUR OWN "most trusted bible/s"? So to save me the trouble of having to read and re-read your boring nauseating, weak and pathetic replies I shall just tell you this: He - Jesus - was already in the room you clown and there was no miracle of being able to walk through doors and or walls.

And here is how you should know.

You have clearly said "

"Debby wrote: " But when Mary approached the tomb, the rock was rolled away from the entrance. So she could enter ".

So tell me thicko, - Why would the stone have to be rolled away for a man, formed of flesh blood and bone to exit and recovering from his severe wounds , if he was given these "extra powers"? as both you and faux believe he was given.

One person, alone, cannot marry because it is, by nature, a joining, which ought to, for now

Who said?

Joining of what?

And what do you mean by " for now"?

THICKO "DEBBY" WROTE: Here was my reply. According to the Bible both carried the cross at different times. Jesus initially carried his own cross (John 19:17)

I know what your evasive replies were I have had to suffer reading the same one over and over.

Listen, take the shiny shite out of your bedroom so not to be distracted.

I said only one of those verses can be right. ONE says Jesus carried his cross to GOLGOTHA and another says it was Simon. I told you only one could possibly be correct and asked you which one? . AND YOU couldn't answer . I had to pint the answer out to you after all of your fkn and farting about.

LOOK it says JESUS carried his cross to Golgotha

Doesn't it!!? READ>>>> So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha).

But here >>>> it says something different, doesn't it? READ>>>a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross.. They came to a place called Golgotha 

They may have taken it in turns thicky, but only one took it to Golgotha .

Look just admit it. You don't know your bible at all, and that you are a bible dunce.

"DEBBY" WROTE:Since none of us were there. We have to turn to the Bible for answers.

Yes. where we get another helping of an ambiguous contradictory half story.

According to John 20:19-26 Jesus appeared in a room where the disciples were hiding with “doors locked” or shut. 

Indeed just like you, the author of John's gospel can't seem to make up his mind; was it locked or just simply shut/closed?

Why don't we look at your preferred choice/s of your most trusted bible/s?

the (NEW) Jerusalem Bible,

John 20:19 In the evening of that same day, the first day of the week, the doors were closed in the room where the disciples were, for fear of the Judaeans. Jesus came and stood among them. He said to them, 'Peace be with you,'

The (NEW) Revised Standard Version

John 20:19 When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors of the house where the disciples had met were locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you.’

John 20:19

King James Version

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

You people - Christians - always expect the rest of us to suspend reality and the laws of nature, and are always far too quick to jump to the super power, super natural, excuse to explain something that even you don't understand but pretend to.

Read these verses and tell me what you both seem to be missing about this whole ambiguous saga?

Mark16: 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

So the above verse says they are concerned that they wouldn't be able to roll away the stone.

Then, we can assume that on arrival they were greeted with this sight;

Mark16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

Can you see your BIBLICAL dilemma concerning walking through walls Or locked doors?

Or do I once again have show you to be the illiterate braindead bible dunce that you are?

>>>>>>>Take up the challenge above or simply stop posting on my threads, you fkn coward<<<<<<

I have answered your question

I never once suggested the answer was not in the bible. STOP LYING AGAIN!!!

So nope, go back and read above you absolute clown. I had to point the fact out to you that only one could be correct and then proceeded to show to the correct answer because you were far too dumb to notice it.

question which you believe the Bible does not answer.

And yes the answer is in the bible And I never once suggested otherwise.

Simon of Cyrene to carry the cross the rest of the way to Golgotha.

Yes I know. That is what I have been saying since I posed the question and you tried to answer but failed for over three pages of

over 90 !!!! posts. If you had read the question carefully and then read your bible carefully you'd have been able to give the correct answer immediately first time , no hesitation. .

I just knew that you simply wouldn't be able understand the nuances and their importance. You'll need to look out those in the future , thicko.

Here endeth the lesson.

Run along now.

I had to read the Bible to answer your questions.

And are still incapable of answering an easy theological question even when pointed in the right direction AND when you reach for your untrustworthy, unreliable AI.

You need to remember that, just like you, AI cannot and does not understand anything, and also like you AI doesn't think for itself. . It simply repeats the most favoured / popular response

. As a Christian it is expected of you to read the Bible and be inspired and guided.

Its expected of you too.

I have admitted to being non-practicing Christian, which doesn't mean I have never read the bible and only someone as pig ignorant as yourself will believe so.

Since none of us were there. We have to turn to the Bible for answers.

Yes. where we get another helping of an ambiguous contradictory half story.

According to John 20:19-26 Jesus appeared in a room where the disciples were hiding with “doors locked” or shut. 

Indeed just like you, the author of John's gospel can't seem to make up his mind; was it locked or just simply shut/closed?

Why don't we look at your preferred choice/s of your most trusted bible/s?

the (NEW) Jerusalem Bible,

John 20:19 In the evening of that same day, the first day of the week, the doors were closed in the room where the disciples were, for fear of the Judaeans. Jesus came and stood among them. He said to them, 'Peace be with you,'

The (NEW) Revised Standard Version

John 20:19 When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors of the house where the disciples had met were locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you.’

John 20:19

King James Version

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

You people - Christians - always expect the rest of us to suspend reality and the laws of nature, and are always far too quick to jump to the super power, super natural, excuse to explain something that even you don't understand but pretend to.

Read these verses and tell me what you both seem to be missing about this whole ambiguous saga?

Mark16: 3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

So the above verse says they are concerned that they wouldn't be able to roll away the stone.

Then, we can assume that on arrival they were greeted with this sight;

Mark16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

Can you see your BIBLICAL dilemma concerning walking through walls Or locked doors?

Or do I once again have show you to be the illiterate braindead bible dunce that you are?

Satan is your only excuse. But the choice was yours. I showed you the scriptures that could have saved you. But you are under Satan’s control and here only to be a distraction.

Stephen Wrote; : I see. You missed this>>>So what do you think or what should, or what will happen to me now, numbskull?

"Debby" wrote: You should have thought about it before you decided to follow Satan. Now you have a place reserved for you in hell.

So you can't answer that either, but just spout shite.

Off you go braindead.

It just proves how deep Satan has corrupted your mind.

And is all you have proven "Debby" is your onw inability to read anything for yourself.

so who carried the cross to >>>Golgotha <<<.

"Debby the bible dunce wrote: The Bible answers your question with supporting verses.

According to the Bible, both carried the cross at different times. Jesus initially carried his own cross (John 19:17). But due to exhaustion from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry it for the rest of the way to Golgotha.

(Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32, Mark 15:21).

THERE YOU ARE THEN, YOU IDIOT!!!! it was Simon that carried the cross to Golgotha and not Jesus. That's all you had to say pages ago. But you couldn't because you hadn't even read your own fk book!! I had to show you this exact relevant verses!!

The reason you have two different answers is because two different people carried the cross to Golgotha at different times,

NOOOOOOO. Only one person carried the cross to Golgotha , And you have just proven it to be the case YOURSELF!, you absolute bellend!

So Simon carried the- cross for Jesusus, while Jesus insists and is quick to tell us that we should take up and bare our " own cross", isn't he?

Why don’t you read the Bible?

I do.

I know you admit you did not receive enough education.

Correct. I believe one can never get enough education.

But you can’t be struggling to read the Bible. Stop listening to Satan.

I have no trouble reading it sunshine. making sense of the jumbled ambiguous ancient mass is another thing completely.

And to listen to you must be like listening to Satan preach from the book. Because you just make it up as you go. And proven time and time again that you know just abut fk all when it comes to your own scripture.

So are you going to give a straight answer? Did Jesus walk through a locked door door or even one the walls?

Sorry, no, the Holy Bible does not say Jesus was resurrected a flesh and blood man. He describes himself [Luke 24: 39] as "flesh and bone."

Don't be sorry.

I apologise and stand corrected. My thought must have been on Corinthians at the same time. Something about "flesh and blood not inheriting the kingdom of God" 1 Corinthians - i think. which is very similar to what Jesus says to Thomas in Likes gospel about "ghosts not being Flesh and bone".

Easy mistake to make when one has actually studied the bible for decades and has a head full of it.

the living God.

And who do you think Simon meant by " Living God"?

And you haven't yet said how Jesus got into the room, Faux.

  "DEBBY" WROTE @SergeantLynch

Jesus was on a divine mission, and when it turned out successful he was resurrected and exalted . Remember Jesus started out as a humble carpenters son.

He knew a thing or two about wooden doors that were made so you didn't have to open them to enter too, if this BS story is to be believed.

Funny how they will never straight out simply say "he walked through the door" or "he walked through the wall", don't you think, Serge?.

Jesus was given more powers after his resurrection. He had earned God’s favour. Besides walking through a closed door he ascended to heaven before a crowd of 500 believers.

So you are saying then that Jesus walked through a wall or closed door?

Where in the bible does it tell us that God gave Jesus "more powers"?

You are repeating an answered question.

Stephen wrote @Debby: was it (A) Simon or(B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?

I asked you a billion times to answer this question above and is all you have managed to do is obfuscate as you have once again

here>>>

Thicky sly Debby wrote:

According to the Gospel, both carried the cross at different times. Jesus initially carried his own cross (Joh 19:17) but due to exhaustion from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry it for the rest of the way to Golgotha.(Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32, Mark 15:21).

It just proves how deep Satan has corrupted your mind that you cannot even follow simple Bible facts or verses.

So lets go by the what bible. says; But remember the question thicko.>>> Who carried the cross>>>>>>> to Golgotha?<<<<<<<

And it hasn't gone unnoticed by me that you are being sly again because you don't understand or cannot read, or both. ..

SO. You know only one of these gospel writer can be correct. So I shall point them out so that everyone reading here can see how thick and sly you really are when caught on the back foot.

THE BIBLE SAYS>> [Jesus] Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). John19:17

THE BIBLE ALSO SAYS>> And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus., Luke23:26 . Mark and Matthew agree.

So who carried the cross to >>>.Golgotha<<<, You idiot? Jesus didn't carry his own cross to Golgotha, did he? It was Simon wasn't, you illiterate clown ?

But he's quick to tell us that we should take up and bare our " own cross", isn't he?

--> @Stephen

You are repeating an answered question.

Stephen wrote @Debby: was it (A) Simon or(B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?

I asked you a billion times to answer this question above and is all you have managed to do is obfuscate as you have once again

here>>>

Thicky sly Debby wrote:

According to the Gospel, both carried the cross at different times. Jesus initially carried his own cross (Joh 19:17) but due to exhaustion from torture, Roman soldiers compelled Simon of Cyrene to carry it for the rest of the way to Golgotha.(Luke 23:26, Matthew 27:32, Mark 15:21).

It just proves how deep Satan has corrupted your mind that you cannot even follow simple Bible facts or verses.

So lets go by the what bible. says; But remember the question thicko.>>> Who carried the cross>>>>>>> to Golgotha?<<<<<<<

And it hasn't gone unnoticed by me that you are being sly again because you don't understand or cannot read, or both. ..

SO. You know only one of these gospel writer can be correct. So I shall point them out so that everyone reading here can see how thick and sly you really are when caught on the back foot.

THE BIBLE SAYS>> [Jesus] Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). John19:17

THE BIBLE ALSO SAYS>> And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus., Luke23:26 . Mark and Matthew agree.

So who carried the cross to >>>.Golgotha<<<, You idiot? Jesus didn't carry his own cross to Golgotha, did he? It was Simon wasn't, you illiterate clown ?

But he's quick to tell us that we should take up and bare our " own cross", isn't he?

Satan is your only excuse. But the choice was yours. I showed you the scriptures that could have saved you. But you are under Satan’s control and here only to be a distraction.

I see. You missed this>>>So what do you think or what should, or what will happen to me now, numbskull?

There are just a few more people involved in the world than just Christians and Jews.  As it happens, there is a reason why the Islamic term, "children of the book" from the Quran acknowledges the Holy Bible. Research.

And I believe that it is written as "people of the book", not Children.

How many times are you going to repeat the question when the answer is already in the Bible 

But you know PERFECTLY well that there are TWO FKN answers to this question and only one can be true. that's why you are too frightened to commit to answer A OR B.

HERE have another go or I will show you again to be the utter evasive bible dunce that you are.

So we are clear. Just say which one is true That's all you have to do thicko.

Was it (A) Simon or (B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?

Satan is your only excuse. But the choice was yours. I showed you the scriptures that could have saved you. But you are under Satan’s control and here only to be a distraction.

I see. So what do you think or what should, or what will happen to me now, numbskull?

A distraction from what. I believe that I am doing completely the opposite of "distracting" . I am drawing attention to the absolute nonsense that Christians believe is the word of god, in the bible.

And I haven't even started yet.

Would you like a tailer?

I haven't told you about Jesus confrontation with John the Baptist. Or how Jesus and or his disciples conspired to have John murdered.. Or how obvious it was that Jesus was building an army. How a lot points to Jesus being married. How Jesus took part in a rebellion with murdering ,thieving, zealots from Galilee. How Simon didn't trust or believe anything about Jesus. Yes "Debby" I haven't started yet.

In Luke 23:3-7 Pilate speaks to the leading priests and people after his conversation with Jesus. That’s how the details were passed on by Pilate . Which was recorded by Luke.

There is no mention of a conversation that was witnessed by no one and no evidence that Pilate shared with anyone what he and Jesus had discussed. STOP LYING!!! Is all he said to both crowd and priests was that he "found no fault" in Jesus

Then the whole multitude of them arose and led Him to Pilate. 2 And they began to accuse Him, saying, “We found this fellow perverting [a]the nation, and forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar, saying that He Himself is Christ, a King.”

3 Then Pilate asked Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

He answered him and said, “It is as you say.”

4 So Pilate said to the chief priests and the crowd, “I find no fault in this Man.”

5 But they were the more fierce, saying, “He stirs up the people, teaching throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee to this place".

Luke 23:3-7

You see! There's no mention of Pilate discussing what was said between himself and Jesus,

The Bible also gives you the name of the man who helped carry the cross for Jesus Simon of Cyrene.

OK. so we are prfectly clear, was it (A)Simon Or was it (B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?