Stephen

Simon of Cyrene was the man compelled by Roman soldiers to help Jesus carry his cross on the way to Golgotha.

OK, just so we are clear. Was it (A) Simon or (B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?

Debby @SergeantLynch: Satan has destroyed your faith in the Bible [........]You even portray yourself as a furry animal to mask your human ignorance.

That's a bit rich coming from someone that believes in a talking Donkey and talking Serpent.

In Luke 23:3-7 Pilate speaks to the leading priests and people after his conversation with Jesus. That’s how the details were passed on by Pilate . Which was recorded by Luke.

There is no mention of a conversation that was witnessed by no one and no evidence that Pilate shared with anyone what he and Jesus had discussed. STOP LYING!!! Is all he said to both crowd and priests was that he "found no fault" in Jesus

Then the whole multitude of them arose and led Him to Pilate. 2 And they began to accuse Him, saying, “We found this fellow perverting [a]the nation, and forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar, saying that He Himself is Christ, a King.”

3 Then Pilate asked Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

He answered him and said, “It is as you say.”

4 So Pilate said to the chief priests and the crowd, “I find no fault in this Man.”

5 But they were the more fierce, saying, “He stirs up the people, teaching throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee to this place".

Luke 23:3-7

You see! There's no mention of Pilate discussing what was said between himself and Jesus,

Simon of Cyrene was the man compelled by Roman soldiers to help Jesus carry his cross on the way to Golgotha.

So was it (A)Simon Or was it (B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?

Pilate asked Jesus .

,” Are you king of the Jews?”. Jesus answered, “Yes, what you say is true.” Pilate said to the leading priest and people, “I find nothing wrong with this man.” Read the Bible for details.

Ok I agree. SO? But there was only two people present. So how did these gospel writers know what was supposed to have been said. YOU nor the bible can answer this simple question. AND there are no details in the BIBLE that allows us to know how this conversation was able to be recorded as it is in the gospels.

 Roman soldiers to help Jesus carry his cross on the way to Golgotha.

So was it (A)Simon Or was it (B) Jesus that bared the cross to Golgotha?

A star led the Magi to Jesus’s location, not a fish. Read your Bible.

Yes we know a star was the indicator /sign that a king had been born. That is not the argument you thicko.

The cross functions both as a symbol (representing the Christian faith, Jesus’s crucifixion , 

Yes We know: But you forgot Christianity, it is also symbol of Christianity, you dulcet dunce.

And you still haven't told us who carried the cross to Golgotha.

So; the fish was the sign of Jesus, Yes or No? why are you sacred to commit yourself?

Better still, why don't you just admit that I am correct, and that you a far to stupid to work it out for yourself?

And you still haven't told us who carried the cross to Golgotha; was Jesus or one of the billion Simon's that frequent the scriptures?

It is credible that Sanhedrin documents recording the trial of Jesus existed and that Josephus could have learned of their contents. Jesus’s crucifixion is proof of the trial and the outcome.

Well lets face it , you bible ignorant cretin; just about anything is possible and can be made to appear at least credible, given that these ambiguous, contradictory half told stories in New Testament very rarely make sense as they have been passed down to us.

I mean; you still haven't been able to tell us told us who carried the Cross to Golgotha,

Interesting that you mention Historian Josephus. I bet you have never read a word of his works , either, have you? I have though

All four gospels accounts the trial of Jesus before the priests and scribes is interleaved with the Denial of Peter, where the Apostle Peter denies knowing him three times.

You ha eEven posted the conclusion of the trial where Pilate conveyed to the crowd that he couldn’t find any fault.[.....]why are you contradicting your own statement of evidence?

Im' not contradicting anything you sad sorry lying cretin.

YES. Pilate conveyed his finding and verdict. BUT he did not convey the details of the conversation between himself and Jesus that led him to his verdict. Did he? you absolute bible dunce!

Go away and learn to raed study your bible.

he sign of Jesus is a cross (crucifix) that’s the symbol Catholics associate with Jesus.

Nope , the cross (crucifix) is the symbol of Christianity. NOTE: It is a Symbol not a sign. Learn the difference you absolute clown,

Ask your unreliable friend AI

So for the 8th time!!! are you denying that the fish is the sign of Jesus. YES or NO?

If it helps your faith to see Jesus as a fish, there might be room to correct your distortion.

Its not what I am asking you, Stop swerving you little coward. For the seventh time!!!

Is the SIGN of Jesus the fish, YES or NO?

If you cannot work it out from your bible ask your unreliable AI.

The Magi followed a star and not a fish to locate Jesus. Read your Bible.

So what told them follow a celestial heavenly body? And haven't you insisted the stargazing and astrology are tabbo? ( that means banned to you thicko)

ONCE again, are you denying that the sign of Jesus is the FISH?. I won't let this go, You have failed to answer this question SIX !!!! times!!!! now.

Yes Stephen. Two very big fish.

I'm taking that to mean that you agree that the celestial sign for Jesus is the fish. Two fishes to be more precise.

something like these astrological signs, Serge?

Indeed they are Lucy.

It’s all in the Bible. Read it.

I know it is. That's what I have been telling you for the last three FKN pages, you dulcet dunce. . While YOU have insisted that astronomy and astrology were banned in the bible, and denied that nothing at all in the bible is either astronomical nor astrological based.

Whilst all the time explaining to all of us reading here about the astronomy and astrology used by "wise men" . How a celestial heavenly body told them that a king was born, told them where the boy king could be located and guided to the boy kings location.

ONCE again, are you denying that the sign of Jesus is the FISH?. I won't let this go, You have failed to answer this question FOUR!!!! times!!!! now.

The outcome of the trial was made public and the details conveyed to the Gospel writers.

Are you sure there was an "outcome" to this conversation made in the presence of not a single witness? From my memory the only thing Pilate conveyed to the crowd was that he couldn't find any fault. You can correct me if you like.

It was also made as court records for historians.

So you can these records be sourced on the WWW then, Will you put up a link? Or is this something else that you have made up on the hoof?

It appears that the most popular is the King James' Version. According to Wiki and a few other sources.

I have found this to be the case myself from speaking with devout christens but they can never explain why only to say that they - "trust it".

--> @Tradesecret Is that really you Trade?

Nah Serge, its likely to be "Debby" aka Shila pretending to be that other idiot tradesecret . Not that it matter. of course.

The star led them to Jesus. That is why they called it his star. Without its help they would not have found Jesus’s birthplace location.

I see. Still doesn't explain how they knew it was specifically his. It doesn't' explain how they knew a baby king was due in the first place either dose it you clown. How did they know it was the sign of a king to come? something or someone had to have told them what to look for. So they were looking into the heavens/ space - star gazing, like Astronomers do - and they seen His star. How did the know it was HIS star, was it moving? was it different looking in closure or size. ?

Typical murder mystery stuff Stephen.

The thirteenth Apostle was known as Agatha.

Nice

linate wrote: Haven't you accepted by now that we Christians believe in magical thinking? Im just playin on the label[............]

OK, now just answer the question. Which magical power did he use? You see, it appears to be different kind of magic, from his usual MO, doesn't it?

Its not his usual laying on of hand's or simple speaking words, is it? No, this was something quite different. So how did he pull it off, linate ?

If you don't know, just say so? But can I suggest that you actually try just a little bible study of the story before claiming that it was son - of -god , magic.

"Debby" wrote: This proves Jesus had more supernatural powers after his resurrection. The resurrection itself was a demonstration of that power.

OK, now just answer the question. So how did he do it ?

Jesus ,the bible says , was resurrected a flesh and blood man.

So how did Jesus enter the closed and locked room?

 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”  After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. John 20:19-20. NIV

Ok. How did our boy wonder achieve this feat?

Everyone knew about the trial of Jesus by Pontus Pilate and it was even recorded in the Bible.

But who took the minutes? How does anyone know what was said between the only two people in the room? When there were only two people in the room, you absolute ignorant clown!

"Debby" wrote: Read your Bible . It should be your only source.

"ONLY SOURCE"!!!! Are you taking the piss? Is all you have ever done is run to AI and never once the bible for answers to my questions.

Stephen wrote: You haven't answered the questions . I answered this first one for you, See [A] below

What did the wise men from the East say when they approach King Herod ?

[A] They said that they had seen HIS star. Matthew 2 didn't they?

LOOK>>>> Matthew 2: Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

So?

Who did they mean when they said HIS star ?

So what was this particular Star telling the kings, or wise men or magicians?

And why did the call it HIS star?

"Debby" wrote:They called it his star because it was pointing to him and no other reason to be there.

What's the matter thickO, can't you find a comprehensive answer without AI ?

So this star was pointing and saying "there he is wise lads, in that stable a few thousand miles away. you are going to need a few camels and supplies".

Last time!

Are you denying that the sign of JESUS is the fish ?

You haven't answered the questions . I answered this first one for you, See [A] below

What did the wise men from the East say when they approach King Herod ?

[A] They said that they had seen HIS star. Matthew 2 didn't they?

LOOK>>>> Matthew 2: Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

So?

Who did they mean when they said HIS star ?

So what was this particular Star telling the kings, or wise men or magicians?

And why did the call it HIS star?

"Debby" wrote:The conversation between Jesus and Pontus Pilate occurred during a formal, albeit rushed, legal interrogation (trial) in the Roman Praetorium (the governor’s headquarters) in Jerusalem. It took place in the early morning hours on the morning of the crucifixion. After Jewish leaders brought Jesus to Pilate to secure a death sentence that they could not legally carry out themselves. The dialogue is recorded with the most detail in the Gospel of John (18:28-40)with additional details inthe Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew,Luke). While it was a legal hearing the conversation between Pilate and Jesus was often private, away from the accusers waiting outside to avoid ritual impurity. Read your Bible . It should be your only source.

Your AI seems to fail you when it comes to questions its not capable of handling with context or detail. And as incapable as you are at hiding the fact that you have to run to AI with every question I pose you. Proving that you really are bible ignorant and stupid aren't you.

Here you go stupid, from your own? AI reply above: " the conversation between Pilate and Jesus was often private, away from the accusers waiting outside.

So was it just the two alone?

"Debby" wrote: Read your Bible . It should be your only source.

"ONLY SOURCE"!!!! Are you taking the piss? Is all you have ever done is run to AI and never once the bible for answers to my questions.

"Debby " wrote:There were no witnesses between the conversation that Satan had with Jesus during the temptation.

And that is what I have been saying now for 3 pages of posts, you ignorant clown. But it hasn't stopped you inventing stories about how these conversations ended in the New Testament, has it?

"Debby " wrote:there were no witnesses between the conversation with Jesus and the Father.

I know, this what I have been saying now for 3 pages of posts, you ignorant clown. But it hasn't stopped you inventing stories about how these conversations ended in the New Testament, has it?

"Debby " wrote: Jesus’s trial was a public one so his conversation with Pilate was in a court.

Stop lying and inventing things that weren't written.. Jesus and Pilate were alone when this conversation was conducted you lying snide.

They spoke alone in the praetorium of the palace. It was never an" open court" or "in public" you absolute liar.

"Debby " wrote: The details had to be conveyed by Jesus to his disciple who then wrote it in the Gospels..

Is this that "conjecture" that you keep accusing and mocking others for using while not affording your critics the same privilege?

Never the less. You say "the details of the conversation "had to be conveyed", but how was that possible?

"Debby" wrote: No mention of pieces of fish in Revelation. Only mention of fish in John 6:12-13 where Jesus fed 5000 with 2 loaves of bread and two fish. Read your Bible.

I asked you what is the sign of Jesus? You ignored the question because you know dam full well that it is the Fish. Don't you?

"Debby" wrote: No mention of pieces of fish in Revelation.

I didn't say there was . I said they were looking for the sign/s of  "new heaven" as mentioned in Revelation!!! 21-1

"Debby" wrote: The Bible explicitly condemns astrology and nowhere is a reference made to the zodiac signs. But animals are used as references in some cases like Ram in animal sacrifices.

BULLSHITE!

The bible is riddle with both astronomy and astrology. You just can't distinguish between the two.

What did the wise men from the East say when they approach King Herod ?

They said that they had seen HIS star. Matthew 2 didn't they?

Who did they mean when they said HIS star ?

So what was this particular Star telling the kings, or wise men or magicians?

And why did the call it HIS star?

"Debby" wrote: The current age is widely understood to be the extended, final era of human history before the end of the world as described in the New Testament. The current age was extended because of Jesus.

Stephen wrote: You really don't know anything do you. The age in question was the age or the Ram, you Bible ignorant clown! When Jesus spoke to the disciples about the end of the age and to the Pharisee about not knowing the age he was speaking of the age of Moses. THE RAM Aries. and it was this age that was coming to an end. And a new age coming Pieces the Fish.

"Debby" wrote: The Bible explicitly condemns astrology and nowhere is a reference made to the zodiac signs. But animals are used as references in some cases like Ram in animal sacrifices.

As I said; you know nothing about the bible. For a start I am talking Astronomy. Not Astrology, (learn the difference) . Although there are many cases in the bible where the it is fact that the ancient used the Heavenly bodies ( stars / planets) as astrological "signs". Indeed the sign of Jesus is the Fish, Pieces, you ignorant clown.

Try this on nobhead,

Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. Mathew 24:30

Do you see that! ^^^^^^^? they were looking to the heavens (space) for signs!!!

And what was that sign, thicko? It was the heavenly house of Pieces the Fish. They were waiting and expecting the "new heaven" as mentioned in Revelation!!! 21-1

Why do you think that the NT refences "fish" and "fishermen" so often?

Are you denying that the sign of Jesus was the Fish?

This is the "mysteries of heaven" that Jesus , was speaking about and that were only revealed to and taught to the priest and kings of those ancient times..

 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. Matthew 13:11

Was Jesus a king?

Was Jesus a priest?

Were Jesus' chosen 12 priests?

You must be the dumbest person to have ever held a bible.

Here endeth the lesson.

The old Bible is a bit picky and choosey in the hocus pocus section isn't it Debs?

As are its adherents

he current age is widely understood to be the extended, final era of human history before the end of the world as described in the New Testament. The current age was extended because of Jesus.

You really don't know anything do you. The age in question was the age or the Ram, you Bible ignorant clown!

When Jesus spoke to the disciples about the end of the age and to the Pharisee about not knowing the age he was speaking of the age of Moses. THE RAM Aries. andit was this age that was coming to an end. And a new age coming Pieces the Fish.