Wryly

All right. So there is a chance Mag1c's action failed because awesome is some typa ascetic scum, I was redirected from Rex to a different townie, Pie jailkept Banana but she's either town or had a scummate carry out the NK.

Possibility is remote but Banana is making me second guess myself enough to wrack my brain for all possibilities.

But they're not gonna do that. They're gonna fear Pie's Jailkeeper stopping another NK more than they're gonna fear me hitting the one scum they didn't lawyer. It's likelier they redirected Pie (why onto Mag1c instead of whiteflame?), and since they know he's probably gonna jailkeep Banana again, that doesn't look great for Banana.

When you can't think for shit but you still gotta play mafia

He targeted Awesome

Wow this is a cool mechanics pretzel.

Hmmmm.

I really would like to hear from you buddy. See #292

Can you please tell me who you targeted. Whether Pie was redirected onto you or you just struck a scum who might be an Ascetic/Commuter is pivotal in my analysis of my result last NP.

Where tf is everyone

I was changing an old lady's stage four pressure ulcer.

But I'm done now and ready to let this game distract me from the relentless march of entropy that even now is shortening our telomeres and draining the life from our cells.

Probably Ascetic or like BP Ascetic

Who did Mag1c target? Is there a possibility he struck an Ascetic scum or a scum with a Commuter?

1. Does a roleblock always present as "your action failed"
2. What other roles can result in a "your action failed" message

If Banana flips town I may go full ostrich. Two mislynches under the influence of my results is more than I can cope with. I'm genuinely stumped as to how my Rex result doesn't virtually clear Rex and awesome though.

its blatantly obvious one of u two is liking every single post anyone makes against me lol its a bit pathetic

I wish I didn't pay so much attention to likes in mafia lol

Alas...

Can you please explain what you meant by "It is just a very easy way for them to clear themselves"? They had no idea I was going to investigate Rex.

If you just want to discuss behavior, what about awesome and Rex's behavior strikes you as scummy?

I feel like I got a buddy on trial for murder but her attorney is saying they won't be discussing forensics. 😭

Wryly: Can you explain what it is about the awesome/Rex reasoning you don't agree with?

Kohai: It is just a very easy way for them to clear themselves.

What??

well "i dont know" is the honest to god truth.so is me telling u im town. and i get that this isnt enough for u and never will be. i know im the lynch. even if i magically survived today, i will always be a lynch because i have nothing going for me. not being in a guild, ill never be able to prove my role, and ill always be in the poe. literally my only point in arguing any of this is because u are using ur results to town confirm two people i think are very likely the scum team: awesome/rex. i just ask that after my lynch u take ur mech analysis being wrong into heavy consideration, and consider that there are things u dont know about the mechanics and that ppls have the incentive to lie.

So you think it's awesome/Rex, one of them lawyered Rex, the other redirected Pie, and on NP3 they targeted either Pie or you to NK?

I'll reiterate:

1. Mikal told me a Strengthener would take prio over a Redirector, Lawyer, Bus Driver, or result-randomizing ability.
2. Mikal told me that a Strengthener does not take prio over wincon mechanics, i.e. if awesome strengthens me and I investigate Pie again, I still get a guilty.
3. Mikal told me that for investigation powers like Cop, a result-randomizing ability would always return a false result.

Can you explain what it is about the awesome/Rex reasoning you don't agree with?

But in a t!Banana world who’s scum?

I start looking at you and Mestari, and I push for a Mag1c claim.

we can agree to disagree but the only way u will see the error of ur beliefs is unfortunately by mislynching me so it is what it is

I'm having PTSD flashbacks to Helz

i think it’s safe to say at this point that

scum have incentive to lie so we don’t know whose being honest about their roles or who they visited to begin with. u have to be a bit naive to keep taking results at face value when they’ve been wrong twice. Idk what happened, u don’t know what happened, we can theorize about it all day but at the end of the day it’s just a theory and if u want to believe someone is scum, me for example, u can just keep using that as an excuse to scum read them. the problem is you said my behavior is townie, so the fact that ur pushing this so hard despite thinking my behavior is town demonstrates to me that u have ur mind made up or u are banking more on the results than we should be.

I'm open to my mech reasoning being wrong, but I'm not open to opting out of mech reasoning altogether as long as mech is in the game. I'm open to alternate scenarios that could explain my results, flaws in my logic, things I may have overlooked -- but just saying "u don't know" doesn't help me and isn't even really trying to engage the data.

this just proves my point that u guys already know there’s things that could factor and effect results and probably more variables than this we haven’t considered but u will keep returning to the “but tha seems unlikely” to any other alternative that comes up

What variables? Like help me out here girl lol. Weighing probabilities and likelihoods has always been a part of mafia. I can't just cut that out of the game.

VTL Awesome5000

Your stance is distinctly noted.

Why do you believe awesome is actually a strengthener? The problem is there’s nothing to verify this.

My innocent result on Rex is verification; that was my intent. If he's not really a Strengthener, I should've gotten a guilty on Rex because Rex's ability returns false investigation results. The only way awesome is scum is if 1) he redirected me, but if he did, who redirected Pie? and 2) awesome and Rex are both scum, tried to NK either Pie or Banana NP3, and Rex lawyered NP4.

Did you get confirmation that a strengthener would nullify that, and make your results read town if a miller was town?

Yes.

Wryly: *gets two wrong results*

also wryly: “my third result has narrowed Poe and you would be stupid to question its validity”

Lol.

I don't think you'd be stupid to question it, but I would like to hear an explanation for my result other than "but you were wrong before." Unless we agree that Mikal decided to make his mechanics absolute gobbledygook, then there's an explanation for why I was wrong before, and now that we've found a plausible explanation, you don't seem to want to engage that context -- you just seem to want to emphasize the narrative of "two wrong results = all results meaningless."

Mes kind of sat back and fanned the flames of the chaos that DP, or maybe I'm just now rereading it through the lens of whiteflame's Mes = Ant King theory.

DP3 #404 she waffles on Kohai, lays the groundwork for a bus but hedges a townread.

Btw, I don't buy that the mech is "too advanced for you to understand" either, lol. You're a smart cookie!

Meant to tag you in above

Just got confirmation from Mikal that if I copped someone with a result-randomizing ability, it would always return the wrong result.

I'm still trying to understand what "the Ant King comes!" means.

If he's a Lost Wolf, does "he comes" mean he entered scumchat after Alyssa died? Or does "the Ant King comes!" mean a player who was already in scumchat sort of leveled up?