Wryly


Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/29/2026 at 6:23 AM (post #76)
I explained all this with the mislynch math and my Commuter. I was trying to buy us another DP. I knew he was scum, I just had no reason to pull the trigger instantly.

I’m not denying that wylted is smart enough to bus. A Pie/wylted scum team wouldn’t have necessarily shared my reasons for VTNLing or why I wouldn’t have bussed.


I just don't understand why you would want to buy another DP rather than kill scum. Is your argument that even though we knew he was scum, it was advantageous to gather more intel with another night's worth of night actions? But his death and his flip would've been advantageous as well, and your whole plan was predicated on the idea that you could stop the NK, which would only have worked if scum targeted you. That's just a high risk, low reward strategy.

Wryly


Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 11:09 AM (post #88)

i mean i said all the same stuff already, when u catch up you will see i guess. but yeah im kind of townleaning u now. i have a lot of issues with thoth behaviorally. i started scum reading u but now im doing a bit of a 180


My bad.

Wryly


Originally Posted by Banana on 7/29/2026 at 8:45 AM (post #85)
i am now realizing not strengthening u kind of made lylo harder than it needed to be. even if I strengthened scum idk how bad the impact would be because i could have confirmed u were lying if u had no results or if u did have results force a 1 v 1 which would have made it a 50/50.


being inactive and inattentive before wasn’t the best. o well


Yeah this is what I'm currently struggling with. My lingering doubt is if you're town, what was scum's plan for your Strengthener? If Thoth is scum here, he knew that if he let you live, he might have to go into LYLO with me saying I saw him visit Pie and you saying you strengthened me. That's a tough corner to be in, he has no choice but to 1v1 me hard. It's like they weren't worried about your Strengthener. I'm weighing whether scum would've been afraid of Pie enough -- or maybe confident enough that you would be wary enough to waive Strengthener -- to let you live into LYLO. Maybe I should also factor in that scum knew wylted would flip 1x Watcher, which gives them an advantage in 1v1 with me.

Wryly

Hey guys a reminder I'm headed to the hospital and will be busy today. I skimmed but I'll respond more fully when I get back. But as for the Watcher thing, if we were scummates wouldn't I have used wylted's 1x Watcher to produce a result I could use to build towncred? Instead I'm 0 for 2 on my results, which hasn't helped my case at all. And if I was his scummate I think I would've been too wary to claim any role that could link me to him if he was lynched, especially given how recklessly he was playing, which is why I don't get the bus conjecture. Why would I bus someone who would create a problem for me if he flipped? If that was the plan I would've claimed something different.

Wryly


Originally Posted by Banana on 7/28/2026 at 2:15 PM (post #35)

I didn’t sus pie necessarily but didn’t town read him either. but like i told u b4, i tried to block him because he claimed hated, so i wouldn’t be hurting a power role. let’s say ur town and i roleblocked u for example that would be bad for town. pie was claiming a passive role so I couldn’t have hurt him. i had no way to know he was actually a tracker tho.

as for why i chose to try and roleblock Thoth that seems obv, pie was town bcuz Wylted and him 1v1 and Wylted lost and was scum so pie was guaranteed to be town so my options were a claimed watcher or a rolestopper/comuter and a watcher. blocking u didnt make sense at the time bcuz if pie was an even night tracker it balanced well with ur role. in hindsight if i knew u were a watcher might have made me deliberate it more tho.


Yeah I should rephrase. In DP2, it seemed like a good bet that wylted was scum. He had claimed Candace, which was an outlier. He had claimed a JOAT when there were already two other claimed JOAT Juniors, and he had claimed Vote Sensor, but said he hadn't used it, which seemed incredible (in the original sense of "incredible"). So why not just roleblock wylted? Why did you think there was enough of a chance he was town that it was better to just play it mechanically safe?

Wryly
anyway can u tell me did you just see nothing or did you get a message saying your action failed?


I was told no one visited. I didn't consider Strengthener making the NK unstoppable, completely spaced on it potentially aiding scum as well. Could they have thought it was a safe bet to keep you alive because you'd waive your Strengthener out of an abundance of caution? Or you could just be lying to me about Strengthener. D: I'm trying not to be paranoid that you suddenly started to be active at LYLO. I feel like you'd have a better story about what you did with your Strengthener, but that's wifom.


If I had been roleblocked I'd have received an action failed message. I think Ninja is the only thing it could be. I feel like I'm missing something though. Would wylted have fake claimed 1x Tracker if scum had a Ninja?


can i get ur thots on the balance issue of you being watcher, pie being tracker, luna being cop, and wylted having a watcher?


I've seen the same role on either side of the alignment divide a couple of times but not a lot, so if you sus me for having Watcher I would definitely understand. It's unusual, but so is a Hated that deactivates at DP3 instead of MYLO/LYLO, especially with Lovers in the game. We also don't know the remaining scum's kit bag, which might explain more. Balance analysis is definitely not my specialty. I've voted based on it before and been dead wrong. tl;dr, I don't fucking know.


i might be paranoid but i think they killed pie because he said this: https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7q/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp3?page=3&comment_number=76

try to set me up for a ml maybe hoping ppl would read into that


Yeah. Normally I'd say a player wouldn't be dumb enough to heavily defend their scummate like that, but wylted fucking straight claimed Candace and JOAT, so he was not thinking cautiously this game. That also doesn't look great, because Mikal was pretty inactive and so were you, so a lot of this could be explained by wylted having to make calls without any consultation from a scummate, who I assume normally temper his impulsiveness. Thoth wasn't super active either so that doesn't help me at all.


also can you read some of my thots about night actions, and how rolestopper interacts with these roles and my answers from rex? when ur free of course no rush. been picking my brain about the mechanics here, because i think the answer is here but im not putting it together


So you said your action failed, which means either you were roleblocked or Thoth really does have a Rolestopper and he used it on Pie, which doesn't make sense. But no, you're saying you have a Roleblocker, and Rex wouldn't put two Roleblockers in the game because I don't think that's resolvable like two Watchers is. I'll have to ask.


I don't have the brain RAM to think about this lol. I promise I'll reread your posts later and give you something more in depth. In the meantime, can you tell me why you sussed Pie enough to try to roleblock him, why you didn't vote wylted DP2, and why you tried to roleblock Thoth? Like you said you probably wouldn't have strengthened me because Thoth might've been able to protect the NK but you also said you thought you were roleblocking Thoth, so I'm confused.

Wryly


Originally Posted by Banana on 7/28/2026 at 10:42 AM (post #25)
I've completely let theme analysis fall by the wayside here, but it looks like Thoth is correct and our characters have beef with Candace. The question then is if the theme split is as simple as Candace vs the world, if wylted was dumb enough to just straight claim Candace as scum, and what character his scum partner would've been given.
can u explain exactly how u came to the conclusion u did about the theme split?

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/7o/candace-owens-cinematic-universe-dp2?comment_number=176


Thoth pointed it out earlier in the DP

Wryly

I watched Pie and I saw nothing, so I'm fucked. I really don't need the stress of LYLO in my life rn lol. I was sure Banana would strengthen me, so now I have to weigh the wifom of whether she made an honest mistake or not. Neither of you hammered wylted DP2, neither of you are even role confirmed, Pie sussed you both at the end, and I have no way to mechanically confirm myself to whichever of you is town.


If Banana is town I feel like I should've seen Thoth visit Pie, because he would've assumed she would Strengthen me and there's no way for a single scum to really do anything about that, as far as I can think -- if he blocks or redirects Banana's Strengthener, I still see him visit Pie for the NK; if he blocks or redirects me, it doesn't work because Banana strengthened me. What am I missing here mechanically? If I saw nothing then they had a Ninja left, I assume. A Ninja would've been undetectable to both Pie and myself, so they could've just killed Banana and not had to worry about a Strengthener messing anything up. Could be they just didn't want Pie's mech wit in LYLO. Or they saw me townreading Pie last DP and couldn't afford to have him in the final three.

Wryly


Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/27/2026 at 12:00 AM (post #67)

Doesnt really matter cause I’m dead tonight anyways.


:(


I can use my Watcher tonight so I was hoping it would be me. But scum really hate to take you to LYLO.

Wryly


Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/26/2026 at 11:43 PM (post #61)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/26/2026 at 10:25 PM (post #56)
Are you a Tracker or is wylted blowing smoke up our ass. What did you do NP1 and 2. If wylted is scum then they already know, so no point keeping it close to the vest.

I have no idea what he’s talking about. He’s 100% scum


Can't even be sure he has a Rolecop then. Well, we'll find out.

Wryly

Are you a Tracker or is wylted blowing smoke up our ass. What did you do NP1 and 2. If wylted is scum then they already know, so no point keeping it close to the vest.

Wryly


Originally Posted by Banana on 7/26/2026 at 4:00 AM (post #25)
i tried roleblocking pie, my night action failed


Why Pie?


I'm trying to remember all the abilities that produce an action failed message. I know Roleblocker does.

Wryly


Originally Posted by wylted on 7/25/2026 at 9:46 PM (post #21)

Wryly is not even coming up with reasons I am scum.


Do I have to? You're claiming a JOAT with a Vote Sensor you never used, a Tracker you say Pie actually has, and a 2x (lol) Rolecop with a flipped even night Cop. Not to mention how thematically anomalous your claim is.


It's clear you're not town, I'm just baffled by your play this game. It would make more sense if you were trying to get lynched. Just can't see Pie letting you off the leash this much as your scummate. This is more explainable with Thoth or Banana, who might be less active or less able to control you. Unless this was a bus, planned early on. But no, Banana or Thoth would've hammered.


Very interested to see your flip, I'll go from there.