whiteflame

Said I was available before your post.

I'm here, ready to post whenever.

I'm here and checking in. Like I said, things will get dicey in the evening if we're trying to do this all at once.

Why can’t Thoth replace Supa then? That’s the easier option. I understood Luna’s comment to mean there’s some mechanic out there that impacts it in someway, which explains why Thoth couldn’t do it either.

Yeah, that's a good point. For some reason, I assumed it would only be Casey replacing and didn't consider Thoth. Not sure what prevents one of them from subbing in, but it doesn't give Vader the cover I believed it did.

Say someone town confirms themselves later in the game. Or there is a town confirm role. The potential to use that and make town think they could not be town confirmed is way heavier when their are reads or analysis on the table instead of directly after a dp that accomplished nothing.

I can see the value in waiting, but there's clearly a lot of risk to waiting as well, particularly with a player who was largely inactive during the last DP and would almost certainly have been the center of attention this DP.

We need to get something going

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I don't know what the point of this is. I've already offered to claim whenever we're doing the massclaim. If we have to draw straws, I've agreed to that as well. Regardless, you'll get my claim.

Just realized supa is town confirmed.

Can you replace Vader if he doesn’t show up in like 5 hours. Time delay is a stupid tactic

Not sure with who, because it was hard enough to hit 9 players as is, and for reasons I cannot discuss I cannot replace dead players into this game. I will ping him again though.

why would Luna not be able to replace a dead mafia with an innactive mafia. Casey dies and there is 2 mafia after the recruit. There is 0 reason mafia can’t replace mafia. Mafia can’t replace town because they would know who mafia is

supa is town confirmed.

That does strongly suggest that Vader is town. Might be something else in the setup that stands in the way of Casey returning to the game, but it's plausible.

Everyone read this

Casey was not very active last DP. It makes sense for them to use in on NP1. Also I think this also clears a lot of the folks who were and have been rather inactive.

is this tmi to anyone else?

I don't love the logic because inactivity shouldn't clear anyone. I don't know if I read it as TMI so much as an effort to try to dismiss possible recruits. Especially given that there were only two full claims on the table last DP, it's entirely possible that scum recruited someone who was relatively inactive, I just don't think that someone would be Vader for reasons I've already mentioned.

If REF isn’t on by 2pm, we should just go on and draw straws to full claim, or set a time for everyone else.

If that's how we have to do it, I'm good for 2 PM (CST I assume?)

them using that np1 and not later in the game is telling. They either immediately wanted to use it to gain an experienced player or you but they could cause a lot more chaos if it was later. The only thing that was open dp1 was your claim.

but I do think it’s between you pie or wf. I get stuck on you because I don’t see why else they would sacrifice that np1. Even if they wanted to recruit someone that is experienced. Doing it later in the game just to reset the game makes so much more sense.

I don't get this take. Using a Yakuza as early as possible makes sense because, regardless of when you use it, you throw the game into chaos. It also means you don't have to figure out a fake claim for one member of your scum team.

ref bothers me. I think the entire table is in agreement with pie that we need to mass claim due to the recruit and the resistance is largely pointless at this stage. It’s either because he is softing a power role which is totally obvious to mafia at this point with the refusal to claim or he could be scum and the one who started as scum and is scared to claim in general due to being caught out with his role.

I don't love that he's doing that. I've been townreading him behaviorally, but the amount of time he's burning by not cooperating is making me second guess that, since it's just anti-town at this point and it's clear he does have something worth hiding already.

betting man. I think the recruit was between David, Pie, or Wf

i also think supa is likely town with that role. The role exists prob to make sure all 4 robots, synethics, whatever all claimed and didn’t fake claim. Leads me to think the starting scum was between one of those 4

I agree with what you said earlier about Supa and REF not being a scum team and neither of them likely being a recruit, so I guess by default, the recruit is very likely between the remaining 5 players. I haven't written off Wryly yet, though I don't think she's among the likelier choices in that set being relatively new to the game. That sets it as Mikal, me, Pie, and David as plausible recruits.

if we do this we all need to pick a time. I don’t think drawing or popcorn is useful as if ref is refusing due to being caught out . Being on the backend will only give them an edge.

Still fine with this.

Catching up. The one issue I have with doing the massclaim later in the day is that it's my anniversary, so I can't guarantee what times I'll be available in the evening.

Just catching up. We have a little over 24 hours left. I feel like we have gotten very little accomplished. 

thoughts on VTNL as an option?

We thankfully do have some time, but I’d really like to use that time instead of just staying in stasis. Hopefully we can get Rex to commit to the massclaim at a given time today.

As for the VTNL, I think that would be a mistake. We’re at 5-2. VTNL with a successful NK and we’re at 4-2, MYLO. If we mislynch, it goes down to 3-2, LYLO. Unless we’re planning another NL next DP, the NL this DP doesn’t grant us extra time and it just means POE contracts by one less person by DP3. It also means we miss out on any possibly going down to 4-1 if we lynch correctly.

I was the chief science expert but I was also a secret android, in which my goal was to serve the Weyland Corp by ensuring Xenomorph was on board at anyone’s cost. Cuz of this I am the Informant

From what I recall of his character, Ash as the Informant makes sense since I believe he was sending information back to the company. His betrayal of the crew was a pretty big plot point in the first movie. Not too dissimilar from David 8 in that regard.

Agreed. However, I did a full review and I don't think rex and vader are paired, especially if one of them was recruited.

I have a hard time believing that they're a scum team as well.

I think Rex has made some good points about how strange it would be to recruit Vader (given both his common frustrations with being scum and his being a black box going into the NP). If I'm understanding his role correctly, I also think it's unlikely Vader was originally scum. If he is, it wouldn't be a first to have scum with a communicator role, but it doesn't read like a Messenger. I can't read much into his behavior given how few posts he's made.

REF comes off as pretty behaviorally consistent with his previous town play. I believe his character claim is his actual character. There aren't a lot of non-alien, non-human options in the Alien franchise excluding a cat and various AI characters. I figured since mine was David 8, Ash would have to be in here somewhere, and I figured the other two would be MU/TH/UR and Bishop. Doesn't help that I hadn't seen Alien: Earth, though since Luna's watching that and doing so partially prompted this choice of theme, I'm not surprised a major character from that show is in this game. So that just leaves his role and his lack of an action leaves me with nothing to analyze there. At least he wasn't apparently nervous about being Tracked if he did do something.

Rex and Vader are the hold up

Unfortunately, yes. If you two have a time that works for you tomorrow, I will make it work for me. If not, this is going to be a lot messier of a lynch without all our claims.

Let’s make sure it’s early enough that we can discuss the claims and not be forced to rush a lynch. I’m available all morning and early afternoon if needed.

Luna says Wendy is neither human nor alien.

Still waiting.

I will ask.

I’m in the middle of dinner prep, going to only be on inconsistently.

Then there's a possibility that Vader is the other scum and Casey picked whiteflame to convert, then whiteflame concocted this information handoff scheme to throw off suspicion.

It's worth considering all the options and, yeah, that's possible. I don't make a habit of tying myself to my scum partner that closely (e.g. claiming to get information from them that could be invalidated by either of our flips), but in a game with a Yakuza flip, everything should be on the table. I don't expect anyone to townread me for receiving/relaying this information.

A Facehugger is an alien in line with the Xenomorph.

Fair enough. The info I got was that 4 of the 9 players in this game do not fall into the "human" camp nor the "alien" camp. I did ask for clarification and yes, Engineers would fall into the alien camp. Given that we have 3 characters that fall into that camp (mine, REF's and Wryly's), I think we can assume the fourth is Vader's.

I can, though I'm unclear if he knows the same information, at least not based on what Luna sent me. I'm good with revealing it regardless since we have most of the claims on the table, though Supa's claim may be relevant.

Yep I’m fine with that. I’m Ellen Ripley.

Not surprised she's in this game. She is named in Casey's flip as well. A couple of other characters appear in my PM.

Lol, too late. Guess we wait for Wryly at this point.

I see that Mikal wants Wryly's claim, so I'll popcorn to her after this, but since she said she's going to be out of reception for a bit, I'll go ahead and claim my character first:

I'm David 8.

I'm fine with character claiming in the interim since it appears we're holding off on massclaims. If no one has a problem with it, I'll opt to be first and popcorn to someone else.

Issue is that now that person can also be scum with the Yakuza

Yeah, mainly just questioning if scum would choose a complete unknown to convert. His having a town role doesn't mean he's townlocked.