fyi I edited that comment above, realizing I had more to say
Kohai needed to make a ruling based on a policy, based on a definition of MYLO. The fact that my point stands in general, means that policy of not factoring in win-securing plays would be affirmed under the more complex definition, even in this game.
Yep, I see the addition. While I think this is a point worth considering, this seems to be retroactively throwing in more concerns than Kohai was considering when he was making this decision. We can and should talk about it, but I don't think this applies to the outcome of this specific game. At least in our conversation about it, the issue was the existence of a protective role (your Doc) and how that could have factored into the outcome of the game.
If you want to argue that the MYLO/LYLO definition should be purely based on numbers, and never include roles, because of the complexities of the definition that includes the game’s roles, then you have a point worth considering. But in my opinion (which is biased, yes), that should be resolved for future games.
I support the draw.
I mean, I have argued that. I do think we should have a standardized definition of MYLO and LYLO, otherwise this is almost certainly going to come up again or, at minimum, there's going to be substantial confusion between games modded by different people who have distinct conceptions of the terms.
I take issue with the draw, not because it isn't purely based on numbers, but because it arbitrarily only considers whether a protective role is still in the game, not whether any other roles could (and would) have prevented said protective role from being effective. If we want to involve roles in the assessment of whether we've reached MYLO, then I think effectively dismissing any existing manipulative roles from scum is putting a finger on the scale. I understand the draw solely from the perspective of "things got complicated at the end and Kohai doesn't want to punish anyone for not understanding what happened."
I don’t think there was a changing of the terms. It wasn’t clear to begin with because MYLO/LYLO wasn’t definitively defined.
Alright, I'll rephrase: a lack of clarity over the terms, and subsequent attempt to provide said clarity too late. To the extent that I agree with the draw, I recognize that having this argument in the middle of the game was never going to work. I get just wanting to set the game aside so that we could proceed to discuss it without considering how it affects the outcome of this specific game.
