I'm good with this as well. I'd like to explore more reads and get more answers to Casey's question in #615 before we hammer, but we're still far away from that.
VTL Shining
Thats true. Curious if there’s a character in the show that could be a bus driver
Would have to be a monster since no one town-sided has claimed it (and honestly, I can't think of anyone who would fit the bill). As for who, the Ant King is absurdly fast, a match for SJW's speed. Maybe that could yield a bus driver? Hard to say.
It's specific enough to Max that I kind of just accepted it at face value, though I'm more hesitant to do so now.
Thanks, beat me to it.
I've kept thinking on this and I think I'd switch Awesome and REF. I have a lot of uncertainty on the latter, but my read on Awesome is all based on a claim that I might be giving too much credit.
I'm gonna ask everyone here a question, similar to the one I asked DP1. Let's say that Shining and Banana are both town. What does this mean for you? Who is scum in this scenario?
Alright, that would leave us with 9 players, excluding me. Pie's confirmed town, so 8. I'm also going to leave you out under the assumption that you'll flip town by the end of the NP, so 7.
I'd say there's a very outside chance it's Vader and Mag1c. Exceedingly unlikely given the lack of protective roles, but these two would have to have known about that somehow and planned the Poisoning without actually using it. Highly doubt it, just see these two as almost certainly town.
And then there were five.
I'd say Wryly is in a similar camp with the Cop claim. For one, I just think it's a little too good, especially compared with Alyssa and Thoth's claims. For another, I just don't think scum had enough information early enough to dismiss the existence of a Cop and just go for it. I have some reason to believe scum knew certain possible roles were in the game, but not what isn't. I'd say that also is good evidence in Rex's favor, though that's a lesser element. He could still be lying about his role, and especially if the flavor of Wryly's Cop is what I already suspected, it would be odd to feature his role in this game. Still, not a likely scum pair at all.
I don't really buy Kohai as scum either. Was a little leery of his claim when it came up, but the more I've chewed over it, the more I think it sounds reasonable as something coming from Mikal in particular, and I think his behavior has looked pretty townie. Given my experience on a scum team with him, that means a lot by itself.
With Awesome, I'm just kind of null on behaviorally, but I do think his claim makes sense. It's another instance of my seeing the likelihood of Mikal authoring that role for Airmax, and I don't think Awesome is terribly likely to have come up with it, nor for that matter is Thoth nor Alyssa.
So, if I had to pick among these people... Mestari and REF. Going to need to explain both.
Starting with REF, I just don't know what to make of his role claim so far, and my positive reads on him have largely focused on Luna's perspective of him in their guild chat as well as the fact that he showed up in Thoth's 3 possible players who were SJW. I'm still tempted to lean on the former, but I don't know enough about what informed Luna's opinion of him to call that. And Thoth did clearly include 1 other scum player on his list of 3, so much as I don't get why he'd include 2, I can't really dismiss that as a possibility. It's a rough read, and the weakest of the two.
Mestari is a bit more interesting. I don't think it's possible he let these claims get through, Mestari's got too much knowledge of the show to let Alyssa and Thoth claim like they did. But my current working theory is that, at least up to a point (when Alyssa was lynched), one scum wasn't in the scum chat. It would hardly be a first for someone to pretend to be Silenced (I'm noting that there was no public announcement in the OP of Mestari's being Silenced) to get towncred, and I can see him actively hunting other scum to activate his role.
i can rehash some of my stances sure. but long story short is idk. awesome isn’t active but I was liking some of his posts or at least more than i liked shining. Then with Rex there’s still the possibility he’s the mole in that guild, but honestly i find the whole results thing so exhausting and i dont have a real reason to scum read him other than that so i dont know that i would really lynch him just pointing out he’s a possibility. Kohai I’ve been back and forth on but I liked his contributions of recent times. his role is similar to mine but im not sure id call it a cc. Casey was in Poe to activity but had good early activity. i think tho with the injury situation we just wait to see how that plays out and her slot will get solved. ur in Poe too but I trust u behaviorally and so do others. Magic could be scum but the poison is confirmed in Alyssa abilities so I doubt he is scum. so I guess if I was forced to decide a lynch it would be awesome. but it’s not really based on much of behavioral linking so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s wrong. but at the same time it could be them because we don’t have a lot to suggest the mafia have any of the really good players in their team based on how claims went with Thoth and Alyssa so maybe the last two are nooby or low effort players
Fair enough, that gives me something to work with. Thanks for the response.
assume I am town for a sec and put yourself in my shoes. how do I respond to any of this? bcuz I’m being told calm acceptance is scummy but I don’t know how to defend myself either. i know I didn’t carry out the kill cuz im town but ppl just keep repeating that they think it’s more likely i did than didn’t. What do i say against that? I know this is a debate site but im not a debater. i play this for fun and social deduction like a party game so im out of my depth with ppl like u and pie
Alright, it's a WIFOM situation. I'm not looking for you to debate, but point to past games where you've been town vs. scum that may indicate patterns that help us read you. Absent that, if you don't want to get defensive, just focus on other scum. You've got Shining who I agree still looks very scummy. Who else would you lynch?
i mean that’s a good point tho, if they killed Luna why is it so out of the question they would kill pie?
See my response to REF. I don't think it's implausible that they'd aim for Pie, I just think scum would have some clue that he would be protected. Maybe that's just WIFOM, but still.
I disagree with this, Pie was also a good backup/wifom target with a claimed cop. A lot of people would assume the doc would protect the cop.
Maybe so, though the decision to target the guild leader seems pretty... obvious after Luna got NK'd. If I recall correctly, Vader had basically outed himself as a protective role before Luna was killed, too.
Yeah, my issue at present is still that Banana doesn't seem like a good NK target and it's unlikely scum would have tried to NK Pie.
Thinking the same thing on Banana, can't see why she'd be a good target. The NK on Pie isn't impossible considering that scum already killed Luna who was also town confirmed, but they would have to have known that he'd be protected.
So here is what I have against Banana. As my special ability, I can Jailkeep someone if the guild waived last night, which we did cause we’re not assholes like the Tiger guild.
I jailkept Banana. I confirmed with Mikal that it would prevent the NK.
Alright, so Banana's on the chopping block with Shining. Three possibilities:
1) Banana tried to do the NK
2) Banana was the target of the NK and your JK protected her
3) Someone else tried to NK you and Vader protected you
I'd like to hear what it is. Did you injure Casey?
If enough other people express a desire to hear it, I’ll explain, but doing so would require giving up more information than I’d like to give right now.
As to the second, I'm still pondering. As to the first, that would be fairly easy to compensate for by placing a few restrictions on your power.
That would also be contrary to the show as well. All of SJW’s shadows are stronger post-extraction than they were in life. His ability sometimes fails on monsters stronger than him, but canonically, that’s not many at this point.
I'm mostly thrown as to why you've been such a stickler for theme consistency this game if your own role diverges widely from how your character behaves canonically.
I wouldn’t call this a wide diversion since, again, he does use it on humans, and the restriction suits game balance far better than the alternative.
Which powers have you raised?
I’d prefer not to specify unless necessary. I’ll say this much: one of the roles I’ve used has been publicly confirmed.
The AI overview says he usually raises monsters and is hesitant to raise humans, which doesn't really align with how you state your powers work.
That overview is largely correct. SJW has used this ability on two humans so far in the anime, one of whom he’s released. He’s used it on far more monsters. That being said, two points.
First, from a game balance perspective, allowing me to gain roles from scum (especially looking at the Ant Queen flip) would unbalance the game.
Second, what incentive would I have to lie about this? This information is something you looked up easily and it’s something I know all too well. If there’s value in concealing the ability to pick up scum roles, I’d love to hear what it is.
Then what's with all these scripted hints about Jinwoo not joining the battle against the monsters
Because canonically, that's what happens in the show. As I've mentioned multiple times, canonically, Sung Jin-woo joins the battle in the end. I'm being given chances to avoid engaging with the Guilds, that's it.
Can you steal dead players' powers
One of my abilities is to raise shadows, which yes, allows me to use the roles of dead players, specifically town players.
I'm playing catch-up. Are you 3P and what is your wincon?
I win with town. I am not TP. I was told in the middle of DP1 that, if I am recruited to a Guild, I can leave at will.
My dumbass thought SJW was social justice warrior and was so confused why Whiteflame just outted that. Fml
Lol, figured there would be some people under that impression. But there's a reason I tried to clash with the Ant King last DP. Wylted just used the right phrasing before I could.
VERY IMPORTANT DID YOU DOC LAST NP
SJW IS STEALING THE POWERS MF DEAD
(I'll just respond to this because it's out there, I made it pretty obvious last DP, Mestari seemed to figure it out and I was planning to claim anyway: I am indeed Sung Jin-woo, and we can get into the specifics of my role if desired)
SJW POISEN TD
(not sure what you're saying here, though it seems directed at me, will say I cannot poison)
I get off lunch in 25 minutes. Don’t get too excited
Still something. I'm off lunch now.
Lol, I'll leave it to others for a while, thanks for picking it up as well, Vader.
What the fuck is the point of a Silencer that can't silence?
This would have to be the result of a glaring omission from the rules and some loose writing of the Silencer role, but yeah, does seem excessive.
I NO LONGER SEE MAGIC (or) VADER TEAM I THOUGHT MAYBE NO NK NP1 MEANS NO POISON ALLOWED MOD SAID IT WAS
He gets a total number of people who moved on a given NP, and apparently a second role where he can determine the total number of people who didn't move. Each is a 1X use, apparently unaffected by roles that would obscure movement like a Ninja. He hasn't said if he's used either yet, though given that no one has claimed to have recruited him and he said his character is himself, it's likely he hasn't had access to it.