I buy you as town for now, your role makes sense with some of the other roles claimed so far and is also a could counter measure to my role. Sucks Mikal was lynched because his role also made sense with mine so I figured he was town. Oh well I was asleep when that happened and was unable to prevent it. I also buy your logic for visiting Whiteflame and I was slightly sus of him too, but I don’t think you’d admit to visiting him as scum when he was killed the night before.
Hello all. Full claim time. I am morgarath, I am the dreamer. Justification is about how it is my dream to rule the kingdom and how he pursues this dream even after taking a defeat by regrouping in the mountains of rain and night. Yes my character appears to be a villain, so the theme split is obviously not good vs bad.
anyways thankfully I wasn’t visited last night and I have results.
one of Thoth, Casey, and wryly is scum. The way my role is phrased says “out of which at least one is scum” which means there could potentially be more than one scum in the results. Last game I mentioned most mods probably aren’t inclined to put both scum on a dreamer result, but considering the fact that I literally just said that last game and pie was apart of that one, I figure that is less likely this time around. That said my focus will be on lynching one of the three names in my results this day phase.
i would like claims from each please.
Again my results were: Thoth Casey and wryly.
My second gut read is thoth, keeping in mind his whole tactic of "Look guys made a brilliant claim once, so I am not a noob", he is posting quite a bit like last time, but also kind of not really saying anything majorly impactful. That applies to alot of players here including myself, but combined with the earlier sentiment of wanting people to appreciate his scum play, it almost appears bragadocious in comparison to his behavior. I am not majorly suspicious of him at the moment, just kind of questioning his motives.
?? Is there some bizarre rule where you can only townread someone based on their reaction to a reaction test? Wouldn't that make reaction tests completely useless?
I found it odd that Magic is dissecting everything in this game in minute detail and is trying to start discussions with random number tests but didn't speculate at all when I hard scum-read him out of the blue. Isn't responding to that a better opportunity to start engagement/activity ex nihilo than wondering why someone picked a random number?
This type of post reminds me a bit of Rex's scum play in terraria, this kind of logical "baffled by your logic" reactionary defense whilst not really saying anything. The double down on magic is also interesting.
Do we want to get out gender soft-claims like last game? I'm surprised that hasn't been brought up yet.
Male
Like I said, my big thing here is that I don't think the claim matches the behavior.
I think if he's ballsy enough to claim for early cred off the rip, he's ballsy enough to either straightclaim his real character and leave the questions for a teammate, or to use some questions. The latter does feel less likely.
Interesting take, I feel like taking the fake claim is "less ballsy" of a move and more of a safe move, which is the premise for me thinking that its more than likely legit. I think taking a safe claim from the mod is a pretty easy route, and mikal as scum would opt to give that route to a team mate.
ok, so why 4 over the remaining numbers?
It's my body count.
Bruh
yeah noticed that, was about to ask pie if mafia were given fake claims then saw it
Mafia will be given the opportunity to ask about 2 characters and 2 roles in the game.
Actually. He would have had to ask about this pretty fast and pretty early. Again not impossible but it helps his case for sure.
I’ve been pondering Mikal’s claim for a bit.
Mikal’s claim has a great justification, but hider in a 9-player setup is wild. And if I were hider I’d be baiting the night kill. The whole “claim is scummy sounding” problem can be solved by just pointing to behavior that indicates you were baiting the NK. I don’t like it.
I don’t think scum Mikal would just try and nail a major protagonist off the rip, but then I have to theorize a scum role for his character. Like I said, I’ll admit the justification for compulsive hider matches really well. Maybe something to do with her ability to negotiate with others? Some in-world politics thing.
There's some decent points here, I wouldn't dismiss mikal being scum entirely, but I don't think claiming off the RIP is his scum MO, unless it was mod provided fake claim, then I can see him doing it. And even then I feel like he would save that for his partner unless his partner had a claim that was good itself, or was more familiar with the theme. I wouldn't dismiss these possibilities either, but I also think mikal is usually confident and comfortable enough as scum to bide his time and wait for more claims to come out so he can put something more tangible together. So that is why I am leaning town on the claim atm, but if I do suspect him later then my theory would be that this was a mod provided fake claim.
In reference to Luna's claim that he thought this was LOTR because of his character's name, did a dive into the wiki looking for names that sound Tolkienish, but not much pops out.
Morgarath sounds a bit like Morgoth, and Thorn Hammerhand is vaguely akin to Thorin Oakenshield (although that was the Hobbit). Samdash/Samwise maybe.
Nice research lol my character is one of the names you mentioned.
Anyways I will be catching up and posting later tonight, I need to catch up on sleep.
I’ll say mharman feels town to me initially, I’m am okay with the Mikal town read for now as well. Same with RT.
i won’t be super active til Tuesday but I want to at least check in for bow
Who is wryly?
I do not know this theme, I thought it was lord of the rings at first because my characters name but on reading it, obviously not lol
I was laughing hard on day 2 when Lunatic said that once-per-game bulletproof was too complicated for a noob to come up with. I won my first Discord game by bluffing a character that was important to lore but not in the role list, and then claiming a made-up ability that gave me specific information that I also made up. That entire game will live rent-free in my head as long as I live.
I know you aren't a noob, I meant more as a new player to this site and its meta. Bulletproof is more of a claim Id think most players from other sites wouldn't claim as its kind of scummy, but its more common from our communities, and given I was a jailkeeper I thought the balance actually made sense. Anyways time was expiring and you were the largest wagon, which is ultimately why you got lynched, but if it wasn't you it would have been mikal and that would have been a mislynch as well, so I guess it was inevitable lol
Thats actually wild that the only ever time ive even heard of a beholder was when me and mikal discussed using it as a fake claim and he happened to actually get that role here lol crazy coincidence
Damn just checked Discord and noticed I got caroler results. RationalTheist, Ultracrepidarian, and McDonaldsReal. So scum was cooked either way. as we would have narrowed it down to two once I got back.
POE from the first caroler results already had the last scum to Mcdonalds or ultra anyway, so that wouldn't have changed much with my action at the end lol
rangers apprentice ig sounds less boring
pretty sure its your turn to post sign ups btw
I was Jevil
What were you?
Well played. I had Ultra on my radar in DP1 behaviorally. No idea about Wylted/Earth
Considering they didnt post dp1, thats not terribly surprising lol
Apparently I was a court magician at one point and was forced to lock away Jevil who was the court jester after he went mad, which makes me a jailkeeper.
Btw game should be actually unwinnable for scum unless ultra has some role that can bypass a jailkeeper which I doubt because shining had the role stopper. Casey told me only protection would go off before a night kill no matter what. So theoretically I could just jailkeep ultra infinitely and we’d never lose, if for some reason people didn’t believe the claim lol. No reason to risk a no lynch here mathematically anyway, just saying we could hypothetically no lynch and still win this assuming mafia have no roles that could interfere which I doubt they do lol
I am Seam the jailkeeper. NP1 I jailkept Rex (which is why I basically said he was confirmed when he didn’t know what I was talking about). Np2 I chose Mikal thinking he was scum, which is why I stopped tunneling him last day phase when the night kill went through. Last night I targeted ultra and there was no kill. Ultra is the last scum. Ez win. Numbers wise there is no reason for me to lie and gambit btw you literally just lynch me tomorrow if I’m wrong and we lose.
unless there is three scum we win. Gg
vtl ultra
Well unless Mikal is big braining something that I can’t think of, he is more than likely town here.
Ill join on the shining wagon later, but want to make sure everyone has a chance to post and talk first.
I could be missing the mark here but it almost feels like such blaring mislynch the more I look at it. If I’m wrong I’ll be happy to have Mis diagnosed this one. I also realize we don’t have the most time. If it’s possible to flip a Mikal lynch here I’d prefer it but I understand if that’s not possible at this point
Not a noob I know but he’s new to our site and meta and I’m not sure how common bullet proof is in other mafia sites. it’s very common from DART though and the character complexity means it’s either a fake claim or he had deep knowledge of the theme in conjunction to being lucky to be right about Bps being popular on dart if that makes sense. Also it’s not a fake claim mafia would feel safe claiming so I think it’s more likely real
The claim seems too complex for a noob to make up personally part of the reason I’m actually buying it
If a town player think's that their role is so critical that lynching them will cripple town, they can make the judgement call on whether to claim or not. If we in the process of deliberation we get full claims from all the characters within POE it will likely give them some vulnerability to scum and we are, by definition, not going to lynch all of them so it means that we will be giving whatever town-confirmed players which survive vulnerability.
This take is absolutely fvcking retarded btw lol. If your at l-1 you claim. If you are town and think you can pull off an effective lie, do it, but if it backfires you are basically throwing. But I will argue this with you all day, it is ALWAYS better to comply then to get mislynched for being obstinate. The second you set the standard that mafia can avoid claiming by throwing a fit and stamping their foot, the second the game gets ruined. People like royal paladin would play that card ALL the time back on DDO, and it became so un fun to play with her and people like her. I encourage intelligent lying, austin does it, I do it, just know that if you are a power role you take a calculated risk doing so. If you don't think you can lie effectively, sometimes its worth outing a power role as opposed to mislynching the person. Town don't get many mislynches, the more we can avoid doing it the better. Too many variables that can effect power roles anyways, like mafia actions or town mis-use. We shouldn't have to rely on investigative results to carry us anyways. So I'd 100% rather someone claim cop for example and avoid getting mislynched than take it to their grave and die anyway.
Lunatic is now also one of my top scumreads for pushing for another full claim with POE
What are you talking about? I've been pushing mikal. Thoth is at l-1 and honestly still is likely getting lynched. Thats what you do at l-1. You claim. He is probably getting lynched either way and I am not really sold he's scum. But again I didn't push this lynch, just encouraged that he should claim since he's at l-1.
