That's exactly what I mean. She never said recruitment was mentioned in her role pm.
Why would she mention it at all is my point?
We both think Alyssa is scum, independent of how either one of us values the new D2 analysis.
There's much more that goes into the scum read on her, from dp1 and 2, I don't remember everything I discuss in the mason pm and here though, so theres a chance I voiced more of my scum read on her in the masons. It wasn't purely based on the slip regardless.
I'm more interested in hearing your thoughts on my position WRT airmax/awesome, Helz, and shining/vader
So for the airmax/awesome thing it seems your point seems to stem from some mod OGI and factoring it into a reason for why alyssa is demoralized? It's possible. I don't know if it's the most solid analysis ever to indicate they are scum but it's not like bad either. Alyssa has plenty to be demoralized about after thoth tied them together dp1 though, and you can tell she certainly entered the day phase thinking she was cooked based on her entry and her early claim before even feeling out the day phase. Airmax being scum could have something to do with that but its a shot in the dark. Either way that slot hasn't really given me a lot of reason to town read it yet, so I don't entirely disagree.
As far as Helz goes, you say he is present without being meaningful. I am not so sure I see that personally. I do find myself skimming past a lot of his writing because I feel he has a tendency to overthink things a lot and has some paranoias in general that I just don't share, but he has made a few points that make me think he is there. I think he was one of the early adopters of the Alyssa scum read for entirely independent reasons of "the fear kill" thing too, so if she flips scum that will also look good for him. I think at best we can probably think he is third party based on the things he has said and done, but I am just not sure mafia skips on the mason invite even for town cred. This slot at minimum feels like they are posting every stream of thought that enters their head, which is something I would expect town to do more than mafia. Especially after thoth's blunder dp1. His posts aren't coming off as planned and calculated, it sounds like he is being wary of major lynch trains, and even seemed to doubt the thoth lynch when there was massive support for it despite coming around to it at the end. I just think this guy bleeds town.
I see you have concluded that helz is likely TP. That part I can kind of see. TP basically gets a free pass to act as they would as town, and it would kind of explain ignoring the invite. I am just having a hard time feeling like I should care. I kind of hate TP's because hunting them means you have kind of stop worrying about scum, which is ultimately the point of the game. I asked my masons what their thoughts on this were, and they were pretty explicitly "anti-third party" in this situation because mikals posts heavily indicates they have no interest in siding with or winning with the town. So if its popular opinion that we should prioritize lynching TP, I can get behind it. I would probably like a bit more evidence on helz either behaviorally or mechanically to jump to that conclusion but he has given plenty of signs of being TP, primarily ignoring a guild invite, so I see where you and others have been coming from in that assumption.
Shining, I keep seeing you put him in your POE but I did a cntrl+F to find your reasoning and wasn't finding much. I am assuming its just based on inactivity/lack of contribution, which isn't out of character for shining as either affiliation. He's a lazy player who tends to put low effort into his posts. Usually his contributions amount to being contrarian to whatever he thinks town is doing that is incredibly bad, and then he dis-appears. We probably should lock him into a claim early next day phase, or put pressure on him to give us literally anything, though again knowing him, I wouldn't expect much.
On vader all I can really deduce about your scum read on him is that his opening post seemed fake, and that he could have told thoth you were a fear kill. I guess its possible, but yeah he is still in the POE so we need something more from him than what we have. I don't have a strong feeling about him either way yet. His paranoia about whiteflame is interesting, because I got the vibe that whiteflame was being set up as a mislynch by thoth at the EOD1 because he was acting like whiteflame was scummiest player on his wagon ever, accusing him of tunneling him harder than anyone else etc. That seemed weird as fuck. It seems like too obvious of a distancing play if they are actually scum together, so it seemed likely reverse psychology to set up whiteflame as a mislynch. So I told myself going into the day phase I would be a little sus of anyone pushing whiteflame. But I realize that's also a weak arugment and based on a lot of what ifs, so its not damning by any measure.
